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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 05:20 PM
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Sexism and the female blogger: What's in a pen name?
Edited on Tue Dec-15-09 05:33 PM by BurtWorm
This post by Ann from Feministing (see below after the link) reminded me of an amazing phenomenon I'd read recently in a book coming out next month called The Hidden Brain, by Shankar Vedantam. A study of post-op transsexuals found that those who became men saw their incomes and social standing significantly increase, while those becoming women saw their incomes and standing plummet. Vedantam interviewed a couple of professors at Stanford (whose names I forget), one who had become male and one who had become a female, who each corroborated the study. The male discovered that suddenly he was able to make himself be heard during committee meetings, something he had had difficulty doing as a female; the female, a biologist or animal ethologist, found her controversial interpretation of certain data causing outright anger among colleagues, whereas as a man, she had garnered respect for her "originality" after publishing a similarly daring paper.

Ann of Feministing notes below that bloggers with recognizably female names tend to get more angry and threatening correspondence than ones with recognizably male names. Speaking for myself, I've gotten into arguments with people with male identities and female identities here on DU, sometimes very heated ones all around. But these have always been public. I can't think of a single time I've been taunted privately for anything I've written here or anywhere else. How about you? Do you get followed off the public forum by people wanting to continue the fight in private with you?


http://www.feministing.com/archives/019320.html



I spend a lot of time talking about the general pale/male/stale-ness of the media (h/t to Tracy and Jessica for that description), and I generally find myself chalking it up to a number of big, interrelated factors: Men are socialized to be more aggressive and confident, which translates to pitching more articles and getting published more often. Men are more likely to be well-connected to other powerful men in the business. Men are more likely to tout their expertise, while women will seemingly do anything to downplay their knowledge and experience. A disproportionate amount of care-giving responsibility forces women to down-shift their time-consuming media jobs. And on and on.

Clearly, I need to be using just one word: sexism. Take it from this woman, who decided to adopt the pen name James Chartrand and began earning double and triple the income she did with her given name. Even I would never have guessed the difference would be so stark.

We all know about the pay gap, sure. But this isn't just about payment levels. For opinion writers, especially those whose work is published online (aka almost all of them), a female byline is a liability when it comes to the amount of harassment and hate mail received. Anecdotally, the women writers I know (especially those who are open about their feminist beliefs) get much more hate mail than the men writers I know. There is some evidence to this effect: One study by the University of Maryland showed that people with female usernames are 25 times more likely to experience harassment.

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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 05:40 PM
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1. Hey, if you'd like to have your ability discounted, try being female and blonde.
It was worse when I was young and pretty. Still not very great, as I'm now pegged as a mom. Apparently my brains fell out with the baby. Yes, I've had some ugly online exchanges with people who knew I was female, and for some of them, I'm convinced that my gender did play a role in their bad behavior.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 06:01 PM
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2. Oy!
My daughter is female and blonde! (And super smart and strong.)
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 12:23 AM
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16. no kidding
Try being female, blonde, young, pretty, petite (in other words - short), and a science major. Few took me seriously. Then go to work at a major museum. Then graduate school in the sciences. I could get the highest grades in the class and I was still treated like a dumb blonde.

My sister actually died her hair dark brown for years. She said the difference in how she was treated was amazing.

Now I'm just older and bitter. :evilgrin:
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:08 AM
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26. I'd love to know what kind of dye she used. I've done that and agree
that the difference is indeed amazing. Unfortunately the dye never lasted more than a couple of weeks.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:30 AM
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31. You know what was the coolest color?
Plum/purple.

In regular room light it just looked very dark brown. Out in sunlight you could see the plum/purple highlights.


I actually have some semi-permanent blue and purple colors (by "Splat") that I use on my hair every once in a while to liven things up.

I'm 57. I can be any color I want to now. The only color I haven't tried is green.


Hair...have fun with it! :7

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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:06 AM
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24. Buxom natural blonde woman here
If I could get a sex change operation that was believable I would do it. It's been a life long uphill battle. I've been told by male bosses that I made half the salary of my male colleagues WHO I TRAINED because I could get married and therefore didn't "need" a job. :grr:
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:08 AM
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25. i was told that three decades ago. so i quit. walked. without notice
isnt that something

well he has a family to take care of. wtf.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:25 AM
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30. I found that as well
My hair has been a lot of different colors over the years. I got a lot less respect when it was blonde than I did when it was dark brown or even black.

Now I've let it go back to its natural dark ash blonde/light ash brown color, and it's lightly sprinkled with gray, and it's like a whole different world.

I get called "ma'am" now and nobody thinks I'm this silly little blonde thing anymore.


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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 06:11 PM
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3. The WashPost said that female op ed writers get more and angrier mail than male op ed writers...
I guess that's why only 4 out of 33 are female.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 06:14 PM
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4. Is it some sort of primal anger at Mom?
:shrug:
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 06:17 PM
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5. Since we are subjected to almost uniformly female authority as kids - mom, teachers...
I think people feel it is infantisizing - if that's not a word it should be - it makes us feel like little kids again. I think men are more likely to resent this.

For example, at my university, 75% of complaints about professors were male students vs. female professors. We're also just more comfortable challenging female authority.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 07:36 PM
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6. It could be that women feel like safer targets for them to vent their frustration.
The conscious or subconscious reasoning may be that a woman will be less likely to counterattack or otherwise hold them to account for their antisocial behavior, so she becomes a convenient dumping ground for their hostility about whatever isn't going well in their lives.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 07:50 PM
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7. Couple of examples out of the dusty bins of history...
one was George Sands who was Chopin's mistress(forget her real name). The other would be the early American female authors who chose to write under a male name, the purpose of which was to increase the sales of their novels.

There are probably many more such examples.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 11:44 PM
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10. You forget a modern example: JK Rowling
The publishers thought she would sell better with a more male name. :(
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 12:11 AM
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12. Academia is like the phone book. The initials are women, the names are men. nt
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 08:40 AM
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19. When I was in grad school, the fashion was to submit papers with initials regardless
of gender. I don't know that it helped that much, though, because I remember having a lively conversation with someone at a conference who came back 20 minutes later and apologized because he'd only just realized that I must be that X. Since he'd never heard that X was female, the concept that I could be that person didn't occur to him in the first few minutes of my describing the sort of work I did. :banghead: And no, X was not a common name like "Smith".
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 12:12 AM
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13. Duplicate. nt
Edited on Wed Dec-16-09 12:12 AM by Captain Hilts
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 12:13 AM
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14. I changed my name to a just using initials instead of my first name on my resume
and the callbacks increased about 40%+
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 12:15 AM
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15. That's a pisser
Too bad my initials are BM. :P
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dustbunnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 08:43 AM
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20. Mine are pornographic.

:shrug:
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 09:59 AM
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23. mine would be SM
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iris27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 12:01 AM
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11. All the Bronte sisters, during their lifetimes, published under male psuedonyms
Currer, Acton, and Ellis Bell instead of Charlotte, Anne, and Emily Bronte.

Also George Eliot.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 08:23 AM
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18. PD James and George Eliot also leap to mind,
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 08:55 PM
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8. I've been harassed in DU pm's
by two men. One really nasty. Both are now tombstoned, but they were long-timers here.
And once there was a guy who I never directly corresponded with, but because of my posts here he wrote a nice long piece on his own blog that was a sort of fantasy piece about stabbing me repeatedly, pretty graphic.

On other forums, it's worse. Just completely off topic vulgar posts about women poster's anatomy. (This is often punctuated by threads whining about why there are so few women on their forum).
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 08:22 AM
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17. That is disturbing.
Revolting, really, but sadly not surprising. I've seen posts from other women here mentioning harrassment via PM's, and I remember the case of a woman a few years ago in tech or computer science, I think, who was nastily stalked (just virtually, fortunately) by several violent-minded male peers.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:17 AM
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27. One only has to look at any comments on YouTube videos featuring women
to know how bad it is. The viciousness of male posters toward women they know nothing about is sickening. I saw one the other day where you could hear a woman laughing a little in the background and a poster wrote 'the vid is cute but someone shut that laughing cunt up." When women voice an opinion on Youtube it gets really ugly. This video blogger has been threatened with rape and violence on a daily basis just for having one: http://www.youtube.com/user/ZOMGitsCriss
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:33 AM
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32. I was horrified by the language used to refer to Sharon Osborne on the Youtube threads
of her nasty comments about Susan Boyle. Her rude discussion of Boyle was bad and the stuff folks called her was no better. Really amazing the words folks use to describe women.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:34 AM
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34. I saw violent threats from some psychopath to The Resident (Laurie Harfenist)
They didn't seem to have any connection to the content of the videos, just random death wishes. I was chilled to the bone!
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 11:20 PM
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9. kick
:kick:
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 08:44 AM
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21. Meanwhile, female musicians and videographers on you tube enjoy huge success.
But then again it's a visual/acoustic medium.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 09:56 AM
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22. I've seen very nasty, even threatening comments on YouTube posts by women.
We also don't know what they get in their inboxes, but I'm guessing it's the same sort of violent hate mail women bloggers and writers get.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:34 AM
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33. No one's saying men don't get it. But women get more and angrier. nt
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:19 AM
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28. Someone should write a book about the post-op transsexual examples
That's fascinating.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:20 AM
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29. i think so too. nt
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:38 AM
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35. I'll tell you one thing a lot of the younger men didn't like...
they didn't like dealing with older women.

A great many of the younger women (on internet discussion boards and probably in RL as well) come off as "cutesy". Non-threatening.

Enter the older woman...not cutesy. Sort of opinionated... Not threatening on purpose, but not willing to act like fuzzy little bunny rabbits just to stroke the male ego.

I got called lots of names because of that. Even by some of the younger women (many of whom, known to me, had severe difficulties in their relationships with their own moms).

I've been called:

"Feminazi"

"The Tonya Harding of ___________ (name of the board)"

"Bully"


geez...I really don't TRY to be a bully, honest.

But, like I said, a lot of these people have issues with their moms. I never have this sort of problem with older men or older women.

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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 08:37 PM
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36. cutesy
definitely. All you have to do is watch reality tv shows (I like Survivor) to see the difference. Older women, and by older I mean 35+, are almost always immediately voted off no matter how strong they are. Younger women do nothing but follow the men's lead and act cutesy and they stick around until the end.
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