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ChoppinBroccoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 10:30 PM
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U. of Minnesota Biologist Destroys Evolution Denier
PZ Myers is a biologist and associate professor at the University of Minnesota, Morris.

I get email
Posted on: December 15, 2009 9:11 AM, by PZ Myers

I am often chided by morons.

Consistent

Dear Mr. Myers,

To be wrong is always acceptable, because we are human. But, to be consistently wrong, especially when you call yourself a Professor, is going way beyond the bounds of good sense. Anyone who even gives ear to people such as Dawkins and Kitchens is no less than a fool. There is nothing wrong with being a fool, but teaching others to be one is unacceptable and irresponsible, at the very least. Furthermore, to have a degree or degrees in biology and to still believe in Darwinian theory, shows ignorance in the worst degree. Macro evolution is founded on absolutely nothing but blind faith. No evidence has ever been provided for it. Several hokes and false attempts, but no real evidence. A large group of sciences, including biologists, have concluded that the theory is false. Why, other than you can make a living no way else, that a professional biologist would continue on with such a shenanigan, is beyond comprehension. It is a poison to society and you are one who doses it out. As common as a drug dealer. I hope you will come to your senses, as a thinking rational man, before too long. If it is the result of bitterness about something in your past...get over it.

Sincerely,
Michael Aprile

............

I've split half-billion year old stones to expose the shells of trilobites, I've seen the bones of Tiktaalik, I've held in my hands the skull of Neanderthal. I've compared the genes of mice and flies, I've studied the embryos of grasshoppers and fish, I've read thousands of papers produced by a scientific community that values curiosity over money. I've also read dozens of books by creationists, and I can say with complete confidence that they, and you, Mr Michael Aprile, are full of shit.

You write chastising email built out of condescending ignorance, and can't even be troubled to check the spelling and grammar. You claim there is no evidence for evolution, when you haven't even looked. All those people with degrees in biology know genetics, molecular biology, anatomy, physiology, and ecology — what do you know, Mr Aprile? The science points ineluctably to evolution as a fact, as the mechanism for biological change over time. The only people who argue otherwise, and that includes those 'sciences' you claim have concluded that the theory is false, are ideologues who have had their brains addled by non-scientific presuppositions, and who have decided that their fallacious traditional myths must supersede observation and evidence.

The professional biologists whose work you do not comprehend are not spreading poison or drugs: they are sharing knowledge. I know you find that anathema, since it directly displaces the ignorance you and your religion thrive on, but I do not concede an iota of respect to your stupidity, and will be spending the rest of my life opposing it.

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/12/i_get_email_51.php
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 10:33 PM
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1. K & R. n/t
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 10:42 PM
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2. Ohhh, ssssssSSSNAP!
:evilgrin::fistbump::headbang::rofl::woohoo::rofl::headbang::fistbump::evilgrin:
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 10:58 PM
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3. Ummmm! He said "shit"!
Which will be all that Mr. Aprile, the nitwit, will need to claim that he somehow "won." Aprile hardly made an appetizer for Myers, who is used to devouring whole auditoriums of dummies like him for breakfast.
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That Is Quite Enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 11:02 PM
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4. Daaayuum.
That was pretty awesome. :D
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 11:04 PM
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5. Bravo!
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 11:44 PM
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6. Thank you, sir. Many thanks.
:applause:
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 11:48 PM
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7. i think we may have our candidate for 2012...
where does he stand on healthcare?
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-15-09 11:54 PM
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8. Awesome!
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 12:00 AM
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9. Ouch
You DON'T want to be anywhere NEAR PZ Myers if you're an anti-science nitwit. He WILL eviscerate you.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 12:05 AM
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10. Kitchens?
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ChoppinBroccoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 12:30 AM
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12. I'm Just As Baffled As You Are
Edited on Wed Dec-16-09 12:32 AM by ChoppinBroccoli
And when you click on the link and read the comments after the article, it seems that NOBODY knows what Mr. Aprile means by "Kitchens." My best guess is that he means Christopher Hitchens, who is an atheist and wrote a book called "God Is Not Great," but is in no way a scientist or an expert on evolutionary science/Darwinism.

You really have to do quite a bit of mental gymnastics in order to make sense of the things anti-science dimwits say.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 12:12 AM
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11. Damn, now you've given me an earworm!
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Chop'in brocco-laa-aa

She's chop'in brocco-lay
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 12:36 AM
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13. "...I do not concede an iota of respect to your stupidity." THAT'S Hotttt! nt
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 12:40 AM
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14. Michael Aprile is a fucking idiot.
Edited on Wed Dec-16-09 12:44 AM by Lucian
I can't believe there are people that stupid.

I studied early hominines this semester in my Bioanthropology class, and you can clearly see the evolution of humans, all the way from Sahelanthropus tchadensis to Paranthropus aethiopicus to Homo heidelbergensis to Homo sapien. How people say it's all wrong just boggles my mind.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 12:49 AM
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15. I got the best laugh
of the day from his reply.

"Macro evolution is founded on absolutely nothing but blind faith." Mr. Aprile uses this to attack and isn't this what organized religion uses as their basis of existing??
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 12:52 AM
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16. Oh snap!
:rofl:
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ChoppinBroccoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 01:00 AM
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17. Meet Mr. Michael Aprile
I just Googled his name, and looky looky what I found out about our esteemed Mr. Aprile.

http://www.utmostway.com/authors/michael-aprile

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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:25 AM
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20. Degreed in English?
And he writes like this?:

http://www.utmostway.com/what-they-dont-want-you-to-know/americas-supreme-problem

He's dumb as a brick. On the web, in front of everybody. Dragging the reader through his revelatory discoveries in grade school civics, which he only half understands.

U of Kentucky, you've brought shame on yourselves.
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mr blur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 12:44 PM
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28. Well, I guess he home-schools his six children,
because all that fancy, godless college-bought education never taught him anything.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 05:49 AM
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18. Thanks for posting this.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:09 AM
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19. Now that is a beautiful response
Rec
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:00 AM
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21. K&R
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ChoppinBroccoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:08 AM
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22. People Who Deny Science Baffle Me
I really have no idea how people can take a look at something accepted as scientific FACT by every credible source on the subject and say, "Nope, don't buy it." Why do the ignorant fear things like evolution and global warming so much? I really just don't see what anyone can hope to gain by denying facts. Just like the global warming deniers, what can they possibly be gaining by denying a very real threat? I mean, if somebody told these loons that their kitchen was on fire, would they simply deny that fire existed and walk right in there and yell, "See? Everything's FINE!" until the entire house burnt down? Rational people accept reality and deal with it; they don't hide their heads in the sand.

And, see, if religious people had any brains whatsoever, they'd figure out a way to accept evolution as scientific fact and STILL weave Biblical Creation into the mix, making their belief system at least a little bit plausible. At least that way they wouldn't come off as raving whackos. And it's so EASY to do, too. They should be used to changing their stories on the fly by now anyway, since every passing day science proves another Biblical story to be nothing more than fantasy. There are still people who claim that the Shroud of Turin was used to cover Jesus after he died, despite the fact that the SCIENCE has proven it's only about 500 years old.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:13 AM
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24. The Catholics did exactly that. And yeah, they ARE smarter.
"And, see, if religious people had any brains whatsoever, they'd figure out a way to accept evolution as scientific fact and STILL weave Biblical Creation into the mix, making their belief system at least a little bit plausible."
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:13 AM
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23. It's all a "hokes"!!!...
:rofl:

Sid
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:15 AM
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25. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why I'm never goint to take that text off my signature.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:40 PM
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32. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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ChoppinBroccoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:36 AM
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26. Inspired By Some Of Your Sig Lines
I posted this as an original thread, but thought it was particularly pertinent in this one as well (plus, I saw some of these quotes in some of the responders' signature lines).


35 great quotes on the subject of religion.

1. Faith does not give you the answers, it just stops you asking the questions. - Frater Ravus

2. Today’s religion will be the future’s mythology. Both believed at one time by many; but proved wrong by the clever. - Steven Crocker

3. I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious ideas of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God. So far as religion of the day is concerned, it is a damned fake… Religion is all bunk. - Thomas Edison

4. Atheists will celebrate life, while you’re in church celebrating death. - Anonymous

5. Man has always required an explanation for all of those things in the world he did not understand. If an explanation was not available, he created one. - Jim Crawford

6. When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. - Robert Pirsig

7. The inspiration of the bible depends on the ignorance of the person who reads it. - Robert G. Ingersoll

8. Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense. - Chapman Cohen

9. I refuse to believe in a god who is the primary cause of conflict in the world, preaches racism, sexism, homophobia, and ignorance, and then sends me to hell if I’m ‘bad’. - Mike Fuhrman

10. If God were suddenly condemned to live the life which He has inflicted upon men, He would kill Himself. - Alexandre Dumas

11. An atheist is a man who has no invisible means of support. - John Buchan

12. Properly read, the bible is the most potent force for Atheism ever conceived. - Isaac Asimov

13. Religion does three things quite effectively: Divides people, Controls people, Deludes people. - Carlespie Mary Alice McKinney

14. Which is it, is man one of God’s blunders or is God one of man’s? - Friedrich Nietzsche

15. Remember, Jesus would rather constantly shame gays than let orphans have a family. - Steven Colbert

16. It ain’t the parts of the Bible that I can’t understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand. - Mark Twain

17. I refuse to prove that I exist,” says God, “for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing. - Douglas Adams

18. Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish. - Anonymous

19. You do not need the Bible to justify love, but no better tool has been invented to justify hate. - Richard A. Weatherwax

20. Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer. - Anonymous

21. I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. - Stephen Roberts

22. Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? – Epicurus

23. Which is it, is man one of God’s blunders or is God one of man’s? - Friedrich Nietzsche

24. "Those who lose faith in God lose an imaginary support system." – Woody Allen

25. "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." - Seneca

26. "Isn't it enough to see a beautiful garden without having to believe that there are fairies living at the bottom of it as well?" - Douglas Adams

27. "(Religion is) an attempt to find an out where there is no door." - Albert Einstein

28. "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." - Benjamin Franklin

29. "A prayer in a public school! God has no place within these walls, just like facts have no place within organized religion." – Superintendent Chamlmers/Matt Groening

30. "Just consider for a moment what their heaven looks like. Endless praise and adoration, limitless abnegation and abjection of self; a celestial North Korea." - Christopher Hitchens

31. "The beauty of religious mania is that it has the power to explain everything...nothing is left to chance...logic can be happily tossed out the window." - Stephen King

32. "If God chose George Bush of all people in the world, how good is God?" - Bill Maher

33. "Christianity has given us an image of death and sexuality that we have based our culture around. A half-naked dead man hangs in most homes and around our necks...Is it a symbol of hope or hopelessness?" - Marilyn Manson

34. "If they think that an artist can destroy their faith, then their faith is rather fragile." - Marilyn Manson (About Catholics trying to ban one of his concerts)

35. "What Can Be Asserted Without Evidence Can Be Dismissed Without Evidence" -Christopher Hitchens
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 12:25 PM
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27. ooo a few I haven't seen
I like 21, Stephen Roberts - "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

Oh - you have a Nietzsche in the list twice - 14 and 23.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:42 PM
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33. Thanks. Excellent sampling of quotes.
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 12:51 PM
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29. sweeeteeeEEEETTTT!! uh huh oh yea...nt
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 01:50 PM
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30. thank you for posting! Rec'd!
That was EXCELLENT.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 03:52 PM
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31. I went to my Kitchen for 15 minutes and it didn't say anything to me at all

BTW the comments are hysterical.

I don't think that "full of shit" is an acceptable scientific term however.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:43 PM
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34. K&R!!!
Edited on Wed Dec-16-09 07:51 PM by BrklynLiberal
Guess Mr. Aprile wrote that note in case there were any doubts he was a true moran. He wanted to clear away any doubts.

His words indicate his true nature...ignorant dolt.



The comments are as much fun to read as the original blog post..
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lovelyrita Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:00 PM
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35. One of my coworkers said the other day.
"I don't believe in evolution. I believe in Adam and Eve."

Everyone, minus one person, in my small office agreed. I can't believe I work with crazy people. :)
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:08 PM
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36. This gets a huge K&R. PZ Myers is the man.n/t
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