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Techn0Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 01:14 AM
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Today Organizing For America Emailed Me, Asking For Support ....
Edited on Wed Dec-16-09 01:24 AM by Techn0Girl
OFA used to be Obama For America. It's the grassroots organizing arm of the Democratic Party. I used to belong to them and helped work on the campaign. Today they sent me an email asking me to phone bank with them in support of the current Health Care bill.

So I wrote them back. I wrote them back and told them that I and a whole lot of the country gave them everything they ever needed and then some to pass a really meaningful package. But what were they able to provide?

Could they create a bill with a Public Option? No they can't.
Could they create a bill with Medicare expansion? No they can't.
Could they create a bill without caps on expensive care? No they can't.
Could they create a bill with lowered pharmaceutical costs? No they can't.

Could they create a bill that made it mandatory for me to pay 10% of my salary to an insurance company? Yeah - that they did.

So I told them to piss off - that I wasn't going to phone bank or knock on doors or be their patsy any more for things that were not in my best interests. I told them not to email me back or to expect my vote next year - or two years after that.

Yes. I. Can.
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lob1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 01:25 AM
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1. One thing you can say about the pubs, they cater to their base.
The dems also cater to the republican base. I am not represented by anyone.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 02:10 AM
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5. I've always said that. Repubs never turn their back on their base,
Democrats almost always do.

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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 05:17 AM
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18. Actually they always do, the GOP base is just dumber than we are
Edited on Wed Dec-16-09 05:19 AM by AllentownJake
In 2000 George W. Bush ran on no more nation building and smaller government. He than went about the biggest expansion of the federal government since....Reagan. Guaranteeing in the future that taxes would have to be raised and federal programs they actually like cut in the future. His entire expansion was transfer payments of federal money into private legal entities called corporations.

They throw them bones on the Xtian issue just like the democrats will throw bones on the secular issues from time to time.

With the GOP you can wave a flag and Christ and it pacifies their masses, in the DNC you wave Sarah Palin as an alternative and it pacifies are masses.

On economic issues, the two parties are the same, and at the end of the day that is what most people care about.

The next 4 years will be interesting as the economic recovery is not what most people would consider a recovery, municipal governments and state governments cut services and raise taxes to manage budget deficits, crime increases and people see their children not having the opportunities they had.

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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 01:27 AM
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2. The OFA came to town and gave a big pep rally to get phone banking events then disappeared.
The guy made a lot of promises for support and instruction and never responded to an email.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 01:45 AM
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3. Yeah, they've been after me to make calls.
Today I told the guy that I am not sure I can do that since I do not like the bills up for consideration now. The most sensible option (Medicare for all) was never up for consideration and the Dems let Lieberman BS them out of even a taste of that. I have not outright told them I will not make any calls or volunteer in the future, but I am close.

I burned myself out getting out the votes last year - and what have we got? A president that has not fought for the things we thought he was for - health care reform, labor, ending wars...

I still think Obama is an improvement over what we have had in the office, but damn it, I expected him to fight harder for US and not defend the corporation..
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 01:47 AM
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4. They've been emailing me this year asking me to get behind Obama's HCR
I've kept telling them I don't understand exactly what the bill would look like so how do they expect me to support it? Never any reply, just another standard email a few weeks later. I'm glad I haven't wasted any money or time supporting this disgrace.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 03:34 AM
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6. Face it; many fought the wrong people all along.
Since the day of the election, many have been so busy fighting to keep this President's feet to the fire, they forgot to show up to fight the true opponents of health care; those who don't want us to get nothing.

What I see is that when it comes to taking action, we can point to the faults of this President, his administration or/and our elected Congressional Democrats. But inasmuch as that would be true, we ought to look at ourselves as well. Democrats were split from the get go. Some wanted single payer and nothing else, and were willing to fight the President for it; not fight his opponents so much. Others were willing to accept the PO, but it had to be a certain type of PO, and they rebelled against the President, because they felt he wasn't doing enough to support it. Other did not much more than offer weak support (not much marching, calling congress, or hitting back at the media via phone calls, letters and such), all along always finding criticism, not so much toward the true opponents of health Care reform, but against our own.

This summer, the Town Hall maniacs started showing up on all of our televisions. They were everywhere for weeks! They were fighting and taking action. They were loud, angry and rebellious. And so....where were we at that time? Maybe we should have made sure that our voices were louder than theirs, instead of sitting on the sideline watching, waiting for someone else to do something.

They had their televised rallies that were attended by thousands, while we laughted at them. Meanwhile, we mainly sat on the Internet and discussed what it was that we were insisting on, and debating on whether the administration was doing right or doing wrong. You see, we have been doing this since the election, and we did it throughout the summer, and we never bothered to even consider to act on the premise that we were the one that we were supposed to be waiting for. Because believe you me, most of us didn't even bother to ever show up.

But yes, the administration has not acted as strongly as I would have anticipated.....which is why I keep on calling, and writing, and whatever else I need to do....cause nothing is over, and nothing is set into any stone. But yet so many are expressing defeat before the bill is done.

So how weak can we be, because again, we are claiming to have lost without ever having fought, because we are still waiting for others to fight for us, and we continue to debate on the Internet and discuss whether the administration has done it right or wrong. Same as right after the election. We haven't changed, and yet we expect radical change like single payer, total withdrawal from Afghanistan, etc. Change that is radical cannot happen unless we are willing to stand up and fight. But most of us never fight the real opposition; we fight amongs ourselves, and then we fight against a Democratic administration constantly (and I mean constantly).

Perhaps at the end of the day, we are getting exactly what we deserve; something weak, watered down, and tepid; because that is exactly the type of support the majority of us offered.

All I look forward to now is Obama and Congress getting the rest of what this bill will need to be truly affective using the budget reconcilation method using 51 votes after this bill is passed. That is when an existing bill can be made better without having to deal with conservadems. That's what I'll be fighting for, instead of tearing down this President just because I can. That's how progress can be achieved....and is much more constructive than most of what I have read here since January.

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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 04:10 AM
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7. Bull fucking shit
Edited on Wed Dec-16-09 04:14 AM by AllentownJake
Obama failed, the people didn't fail. 81% of the democratic party want Lieberman punished. Obama, he wants him there for the signing ceremony. He spent half the summer pursuing Olympia Snowe and Collins because he wanted to get the bipartisan label politically.

Plenty of people fought, they got idiotic directions from OFA over the summer and OFA was about as strategic as a 2 year old trying to get a cookie.

The last time the President said he needed a public option was July. Ever since than, it has been a preference. Weak and feckless, he has a spine of jello.

The President fucked up, deal with it.

Oh and in the Senate, the only place that it mattered, every single payer fucking advocate has compromised to the point where they are literally bent over crooked right now.

In 2012 he continues down this path, I will drop everything to get to Iowa to help whatever progressive has the courage to primary him.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 04:21 AM
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10. What will you say if you are wrong?
What will you say if my last paragraph comes to be?

Don't tell me! You won't believe it till you see it.
Till then explode as often as you need to,
if it will help you feel that much more active
and powerful and all-knowing.

Good luck with that! :hi:
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 04:24 AM
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11. LOL keep your hope alive
Edited on Wed Dec-16-09 04:34 AM by AllentownJake
I hardly think Howard Dean is an idiot. This reconciliation idea you guys are kicking now, every week the DLC has a new scam to talk about and than useful people sell on DU, every week more people see the reality.

BTW 2 local democratic politicians in my area have said Kill the bill on their facebook page, and they aren't conservadems.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 04:35 AM
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14. Like I said, the reconciliation I'm talking about is the one that will take place
AFTER this bill is signed, additional changes will be made as budget measures,
as you can only amend an already existing bill
in that type of reconciliation process and need only 51 votes.
That's gonna be phase II of the HCR.
Bookmark my words please.
If I'm wrong on this, I will do a thread in where I humbly eat my words.

As for Howard Dean, he is not an idiot,
but like all of the others,
he is not right all of the time about everything either.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 04:42 AM
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17. HA
Edited on Wed Dec-16-09 04:42 AM by AllentownJake
The President won't touch this again till way into his second term. He's a political animal and the 15% hit he took on his approval ratings guarantees that.

Shame, if he would have went after his friends on Wall Street first, he'd still be sitting at 70%. Of course, hard to attack your friends.

BTW, he'd done that, this battle would have been easier. He'd have a trust factor. No one likes the banks right now.
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Techn0Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 04:37 AM
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15. What will you say if Health Care falls from the sky?
Edited on Wed Dec-16-09 04:38 AM by Techn0Girl
Because that ain't happening either Sister.

We got screwed and we know it.
We're not waiting any longer.
It's over.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 04:16 AM
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9. Wishing I could recommend this post
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 04:15 AM
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8. Umm .. did it occur to you that the phone-banking might help generate positive political pressure
for what you want?
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 04:28 AM
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13. Calling the same member of congress over and over again
Edited on Wed Dec-16-09 04:32 AM by AllentownJake
OFA had a weak approach from the beginning, I was there in June at the Allentown planning meeting and I literally laughed at the young organizer. I contacted someone in the state party and told them you guys are about to get slaughtered, I was ignored, and unfortunately I spent my summer watching on TV as the idiots got out maneuvered at every turn by the tea bagging crowd.

Oh and Rahm's message control LLC prevented other progressive groups from attacking conservadems early on, by the time they decided to break with Rahm's idea on their own, the damage had been done.

Poor leardership by the White House and particularly by his OFA clowns.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 04:25 AM
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12. K & R
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 04:40 AM
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16. True Story
Back in late May/ early June I went to a meeting for OFA on the lobbying for this bill. The idea was Health Care fairs and petition drives. I was kind of laughing and I said serious? You guys aren't planning events at Blue Cross or Cigna? Any local media events focusing on the number of people who are hurt by the policy?

Nope Health Care fairs, petition drives, and calling your congressional office once a week (it seemed I got an email to call Charlie Dent, Arlen Specter, and Bob Casey once a week).

I called a friend in the PA DNC and told them, you know this is a bad plan, no comment.

A month later there were angry Tea Baggers screaming at townhalls. I was like fuck, well maybe they'll re-evaluate, nope. Health Care fairs, petitions, and phone calls.

The White House's grassroots arm, was unwilling from the beginning to directly challenge the threats to reform, and as such they failed.
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Techn0Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 05:02 PM
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20. The reason the weren't planning protests at Corporation...
is because the Democrats are Corporatists , just like the Republicans , and since organizing for America is the Democratic Party's "grassroots" arm there is NO way that they would choose to offend those who pay their way through Washington.

I began to realize just before I left that OFA is not so much Organizing For America as it is "Organizing For The Democratic Party and Its Special Interests".

What a sad sham - and I actually fell for it for a while :( .
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:48 AM
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19. And in the meantime, while we're all sulking in our tents.....
The Teabag Taliban will be dominating the news cycle, and determining the limits of debate for naxt year's mid-term election.
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