Amazing how we can lose when a majority of the Senate and the House

[rurallib]

both favor a bill along with a huge majority of the populace.
What a bizarro world.

[MNDemNY]

1. Rahm is against it.

[jgraz]

10. And when the de-facto President is against it...

it's hard to get anything passed.

[MNDemNY]

13. That is "...perfectly clear..."

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

2. Liberals, by nature, tend to try to please everyone.

Conservatives don't give a shit.

Is it really that surprising when liberals get roadblocked by compromises and squabbling?

[Cronus Protagonist]

9. Count me out of that gross mis-representation

I please few, and don't care about the rest. I'm also a liberal.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

17. I'm talking in general. Almost no generalization encompasses everyone.

If you had to determine if a person was "caring" knowing only what thier political ideology was (conservative or liberal) 99% of the people in america would pick the liberal person. Hell, even the conservive folks would choose the liberal.

[cyclezealot]

3. Not really

What is amazing, Maybe 70% of the House Democratic Caucus held tight to Democratic principals and the wishes of their constituents.. Enough Blue Dog Democrats caved to the power and money of the lobbyists.. We should be proud that as many House Dem's stayed true to the electorate.. The Senate. Less majorities than the House, but still maybe over half or 50 plus Senators are staying true to we the people... But with the Repugs and the five Democratic turn coats and the 60 vote cloture rule a 55% majority is not enough to give us a democratic , Small d, Senate..

[tridim]

4. Getting 100% support in a 60 seat Senate is always going to be tough

That's the GOP strategy, and unfortunately it's working.

We need to push for new Senate rules because 60 votes for passage isn't democracy.

[rurallib]

6. well it takes 67 votes to change the rules

[tridim]

12. Yes, that's a big problem.

Maybe we should quit trashing decent Democrats (there are many) and instead shoot for a 2/3 majority in 2010 and 2012?

Is there any other way?

[RedRubberBall]

7. 60 votes

Will you feel the same when the repubs are in charge (it will happen again) and seat their fed judges on 51 votes?

[emulatorloo]

11. If you remember the Republicans bitched about having to get 60 votes too. Remember that

"It deserves an up and down vote" stuff

You cant get to the actual vote unless you have 60 to cut off discussion/filibuster.

[Zodiak]

16. I remember they got their up or down vote, too

Because Democrats caved.

Remember the "gang of 14"?

I do...here they are

Leiberman (DLC)
Salazar (DLC)
Inouye (DLC)
Landrieu (DLC)
Pryor (DLC)
Nelson (DLC)
Byrd

Many of the same fucking Democrats are putting the shiv in our backs now, and many DUers are continuing to make excuses for them.

[emulatorloo]

19. I know -- That is the problem. Those fools will not vote with us for cloture

They have to go

[Zodiak]

20. But few will

You see, around the time of the election, the Democrats will go to their liberal supporters with the fear card. Please vote for us...we know we shit all over you, and we really offer you nothing, but LOOK AT THE SCARY REPUBLICAN!!!!!!

Worked in 2006 and 2008. They will try it again.

Not that they should be using this for 2010 with the base so mad, but the Democrats are intellectually lazy and cannot feel the wind blowing if you wet their ass and hung them from a flagpole.

[RedRubberBall]

5. Something to do with

herding cats comes to mind. Repubs do a better job at it than we do.

[Lochloosa]

18. Repugs don't heard cats. They just blow a whistle.

[racaulk]

8. It's the best government money can buy. n/t

[Ganja Ninja]

14. Not much of a mystery is it? n/t

[WI_DEM]

15. We would have it if it weren't for the fillibuster. 56 Dems are ready in Senate to vote for Public

Option.