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Wed Dec-16-09 03:31 PM
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Poll question: If the 2012 Democratic Primary election were held today , who would get your vote |
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DISCLAIMER: I included an "other" option so people could vote their conscience, but this poster does not in any way advocate the defeat of a Democratic nominee in the 2012 election.
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Wed Dec-16-09 03:33 PM
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1. Couldn't find any other candidates? |
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Wed Dec-16-09 03:37 PM
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8. That's what "other" is for |
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Who did you have in mind?
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Wed Dec-16-09 03:43 PM
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16. More than Kucinich and Dean for starters |
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Wed Dec-16-09 03:49 PM
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I could vote for him, but I don't think another Senator is going to be elected President for a long long time.
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Wed Dec-16-09 03:34 PM
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2. Dean got crushed in 2004 against weak competition |
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Wed Dec-16-09 03:36 PM
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4. He got slimed by the MSM |
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Real liberals arent allowed to run for President.
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Wed Dec-16-09 03:38 PM
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9. MSM, the neocons and DLC |
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Wed Dec-16-09 03:52 PM
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21. I'm sure the MSM will treat him much more fairly next time |
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Wed Dec-16-09 03:39 PM
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11. Dean got attacked by the very same pieces of shit who are attacking him today |
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The treasonous Republican infiltrators into the Democratic party known as the DLC.
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Wed Dec-16-09 03:59 PM
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24. Yes, that's what REALLY happened! nt |
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Wed Dec-16-09 03:35 PM
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3. Obama will not have a democratic challenger in '12 and will be easily renominated |
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Dean will not challenge him and neither would DK.
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Wed Dec-16-09 03:42 PM
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14. Jimmy Carter had a challenge from Ted Kennedy in 1980 |
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And Carter wasn't caving into Repukes all the time. He was just the unfortunate recipient of a post Vietnam/post Watergate economic clusterfuck.
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Wed Dec-16-09 03:45 PM
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17. Actually Ted Kennedy challenged Carter because he thought he was caving in to GOP on |
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Edited on Wed Dec-16-09 03:49 PM by WI_DEM
economics and other issues and wasn't a real democrat. If some of you on DU would check your history instead of inventing things you would know this. All you have to do is read Ted Kennedy's book, too.
P.S. Kennedy ran and splintered the party, didn't win the nomination and we got Ronald Reagan. Secondly, neither Dean nor DK has the clout of Ted Kennedy to challenge Obama and they would lose easily because the Democratic primaries is not made up of only the far left. In fact, it is a minority. Regardless, Dean (who I supported in '04) is a loyal democrat and will not challenge Obama and I doubt DK does eitehr.
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Wed Dec-16-09 03:36 PM
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5. How do we know who runs in 2012? |
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Maybe Obama will not run, who knows?
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Wed Dec-16-09 03:43 PM
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15. This is nonsense. Most Democrats in the real world support Obama |
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Wed Dec-16-09 03:52 PM
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22. "Most" perhaps... but not nearly enough to win. |
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The party base simply won't show up if this continues... and those negative coattails would sink large numbers of down-ballot races.
And forget 2012... 2010 has some big races that could seriously impact redistricting.
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Wed Dec-16-09 03:36 PM
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6. Way too early for that decision. Way too early. We still have |
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at least a couple of years to work on getting things done. Let's not waste time with frivolous speculations.
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Wed Dec-16-09 03:37 PM
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7. Dean in the primaries, and if not, Sanders in the GE! |
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Wed Dec-16-09 03:39 PM
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10. I don't believe any Democrat that could be elected will be primaried |
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against President Obama. I would rather we concentrated our energies in changing the make up of Congress, AGAIN! Maybe this time we will get true representatives of the people in office instead of a bunch of millionaires and billionaires who are clueless because of their ivory tower existences.
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Wed Dec-16-09 03:40 PM
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12. Of those choices, Dean |
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Obama keeps disappointing more every day. He needs to get some better advice pronto! Attacking Howard Dean is not the solution.
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Wed Dec-16-09 03:40 PM
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Realistically, I don't expect there to be challenge to Obama.
But every once in a while you just have to put on the orange hat and scream YEEEEAAAAAARRRRRR!!!!
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Wed Dec-16-09 03:48 PM
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I mean, he has about as much of a chance of running in 2012 against an incumbent as Dr. Dean does.
So, if we're going to throw out ridiculous options and ridiculous polls to massage the inner-thigh of ridiculous DUtards...I nominate myself.
Just for I can go on a drunken bender and piss all over you folks for being completely and utterly idiotic, crazy and worst of all - pathetic! :)
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Wed Dec-16-09 03:52 PM
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20. Actually this poll is as meaningless as the polls in '04 & '08 on DU that had |
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Dean and DK the leading choices for president (and I was one of those for Dean).
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Wed Dec-16-09 03:58 PM
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Wed Dec-16-09 04:02 PM
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25. IF Dean or DK are the candidate |
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the Republican candidate wins in a landslide just as Reagan did. If President Obama is the candidate, he wins a close, but not that close, election.
Hmmm? I would have to say President Obama will get my vote then.
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Wed Dec-16-09 04:06 PM
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26. You don't know that Dean wouldn't win - it was establishment Dems... |
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...who took him down before. We're wise to those sell-outs now.
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Wed Dec-16-09 04:36 PM
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30. He would have better chance than DK |
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but he would still need millions of votes from moderates and I don't think he would get them.
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Wed Dec-16-09 04:39 PM
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33. If he went after the Fed and the fake wars, he'd have a good shot imo... |
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A complete populist, anti-corporate package.
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Sebastian Doyle
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Wed Dec-16-09 09:21 PM
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38. Moderates would vote for Dean |
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Corporatist "centrists" probably wouldn't, but who wants them?
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Wed Dec-16-09 04:22 PM
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Edited on Wed Dec-16-09 04:23 PM by nyc 4 Biden
ETA: If he were to run as a Dem.
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Wed Dec-16-09 04:34 PM
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29. If I was a Dem, Dennis would be my first choice and Howard second. |
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Edited on Wed Dec-16-09 04:36 PM by GreenPartyVoter
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Wed Dec-16-09 04:38 PM
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31. DLC types try and bash, bait, and brand with Kucinich b/c they can't deal with Dean |
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at least, not legitimately. Gibbs can use a bunch of fallacies to try and reframe the debate, but we've seen these tricks before. We've been sparring with Rove for 8 years, that's weak tea.
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Wed Dec-16-09 04:39 PM
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32. How do I change my mind? I selected kucinich but think I'd rather go with other. |
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I'd pick Gravel, Mike (AK)
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Wed Dec-16-09 04:41 PM
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Thu Dec-17-09 12:06 AM
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So when do we bring back the Bats? :evilgrin:
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Wed Dec-16-09 06:22 PM
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But only with Jelly as a running mate.
(Actually, I 'voted' for Howard.)
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Wed Dec-16-09 06:27 PM
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36. Certainly none of those three... |
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and Russ is probably a non-starter since he is happy where he is.
Three losers...who else is available?
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Wed Dec-16-09 08:56 PM
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37. Were she still among us I'd prefer Bella Abzug. |
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Absent her return I expect the President to seek re-election and he has my vote.
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Wed Dec-16-09 09:25 PM
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39. Bernie Sanders/Anthony Weiner |
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Thu Dec-17-09 12:03 AM
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40. I don't think we could get another senator elected President |
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Not even a good one like Bernie.
And while it shouldn't make a damn bit of difference in the 21st century, I don't see two Jewish guys on the same ticket being very likely.
What I would love to see would be President Dean, with either Russ Feingold or Bernie Sanders as Senate Majority Leader, and Weiner or Dennis as Speaker of the House. Or Grayson, even though he's a first termer.
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Thu Dec-17-09 12:28 AM
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42. My Answer Today Is The Same As It Will Be In 2012: Kucinich. |
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If he's not running, I'll write him in. No way in hell Obama or any other DINO gets my vote ever again.
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