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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:42 PM
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ok, so let me get this straight.
Joe Lieberman is not the enemy, Howard Dean is.
Mandated insurance for people who currently cannot afford it, at a price that is not controlled, is progress.
The cause of the health care crisis get bailed out by more guaranteed customers, get to avoid antitrust worries, is not threatened by a public option so no more competition than exists now.
Obama is more mad at the more liberal democrats instead of the blue dog dems who are actually obstructing the bill.
Its a compromise to give republicans everything they want or to remove anything they dont' want without receiving anything in return.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:43 PM
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1. Yup. Changiness!
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:05 PM
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21. Perfecto!!!!
:applause:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:10 PM
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24. And Hopeyness
It's a new day, America. Too bad it's the same as yesterday.
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lastone Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 04:18 PM
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45. meet the new boss - -
same as the old boss.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:43 PM
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2. Your citizenship badge is in the mail.
:thumbsup:
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:47 PM
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6. cool! but can I afford it?
;(
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:50 PM
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9. Yep. It's free.
:patriot:
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:04 PM
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18. but the sales tax will kill ya!
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fl_dem Donating Member (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 04:04 PM
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44. and the rethuglicans will be screaming from the rooftops.
"I told ya so!!"....when our taxes are sky high and we still can't afford decent healthcare... they will be pointing their fingers and blaming us, the voters that elected and supported Obama. UGH!......where is the justice!!!!
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:45 PM
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3. Yup, in a nut shell , that's IT.
So get in line behind the President, unless you are some sort of Hater. Your not a Hater are you??
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:45 PM
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4. and it's all DoublePlusFantastic!
Three cheers for the best of all possible worlds!
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:50 PM
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10. I think you mean DoublePlusGood, citizen.
Edited on Wed Dec-16-09 06:53 PM by Lerkfish
(picture of big brother watching you)

unless you're being unmutual

(picture of the prisoner)

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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:52 PM
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12. please forgive my momentary display of enthusiasm....
Can I go back to work now, please?
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:58 PM
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13. sorry, citizen, you must be unemployed in order to be a mandated insurance consumer
please report to the nearest reeducation center.
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corpseratemedia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:45 PM
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5. S.O.S.
im sick of it
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:47 PM
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7. Nicely put!
Now shut up and eat your "reform".

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janet118 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:50 PM
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8. Right wing corporatists are moderates . . .
progressives are left wing extremists
Up is down
War is peace
We are through the looking glass, people.
Newspeak is Truth.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 06:52 PM
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11. TIGER WOODS! TIGER WOODS!
Would you start paying attention to what MATTERS citizen?

BHN
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:00 PM
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14. K& Freakin R
KIss the ass of the people who hate you while simultaneously screwing over the people who are behind you. It's a good plan.. really.. :eyes:
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proReality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 04:02 PM
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43. Do we have to...
pay for mandatory yoga lessons to get into those contortions?
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:01 PM
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15. The Panglossians have transcended themselves to go all the way to "Backwards Land..."
n/t
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:03 PM
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17. I have learned a new reference, citizen.
I used to know panglossian, but then I remembered ignorance is strength and purposely forgot it.

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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:05 PM
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19. Don't brag about "knowing things," fellow citizen/consumer unit
Certainly don't proclaim to know things above your corporate-sanctioned "knowledge level..."
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:44 PM
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29. I have just informed another poster about that very issue.
It is important to stay current with network news as
so to not end up in a re education camp.
One MUST be able to discuss important stories like this one
from CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/12/16/people.25.most.intriguing/index.html

BHN
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 08:01 PM
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30. Now *that* is "authorized information!"
:thumbsup:
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:02 PM
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16. Correct.
Democrats who stand in support of average everyday people are...um...enemies.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:05 PM
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20. Bravo! And don't forget--War is Peace! nt
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:06 PM
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22. K&R
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:06 PM
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23. I used to post these about Republicans.
:( Sigh.



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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 04:24 AM
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37. Us Hate Perfect! Perfect is Enemy of Bad!
Us Love Bad!
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:19 PM
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25. You got it. n/t
:toast:

:dem:

-Laelth
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:40 PM
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26. No, no, it's much more complicated and nuanced than that.
Why? Because we say so.

Any attempt to break these complex issues down into reasonable, rational, digestible components--you know, the kind that voters actually use when making their decisions--means that you hate OUR President.

And you don't want to hate OUR President, do you? Only Commies/loonies/idealists do that.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:42 PM
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27. Sadly, you've got it right...
I'm sorry I got worked up for Obama last year.

I wish I'd just packed up and moved to Europe, like I was thinking of doing if McCain won.

We have a two-party system. One party hates and despises progressives and considers them the enemy to be squashed. The other calls itself "Republicans."

:-(

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WT Fuheck Donating Member (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 07:43 PM
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28. quibble: it's not a bailout.
They are not in trouble.

This is just a straight-up gift.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 08:02 PM
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31. Yet
n/t
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 08:03 PM
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32. Through the looking glass.
Yep.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 08:03 PM
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33. Corporatism : GOOD!
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:08 PM
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34. hopey changey at it's best!..but don't worry the talking points folks are still trying to shut out
truth..the very truth many of us have been posting for months!..I hate to say the words..told you so..but right now, all other words escape me..

This is the Bill Obama wants and wanted to keep the corporate whores happy with him..We can't blame anyone but the man who made secret deals with Big Pharma and the corporate bosses at Big Insurance and Hospital conglomerate big boys..

All Obama has to do is.. say ..out loud ..on his bully pulpit..I will not sign this shit of a bill..I will stand with the peoole ..but has he? No he hasn't and he won't because, on your back and mine, and on your family's health and mine..Obama made a deal with the devil..and the devil is in the details of his secret deals that you and I are not privy to...Our health was dealt away by secret deals.

The buck stops at the top..people can keep trying to blame others..the fucking bus is full, damnit, of those thrown under the bus..If it was Bush making the excuses and blaming others, we would be in an uproar..oh yeah ..we were when Bush did this..but here?? Crickets..or excuse after excuse..and the bus gets more crowded by the day, of corpses, of those who we used to champion as truth tellers and now watch demonized by the appologists or talking point pom pom throwers!
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 06:30 PM
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56. Obama has no balls
He either does not know how to fight for something, does not care, or he is one of THEM>
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 03:38 AM
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35. sounds right
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 04:21 AM
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36. Not a party loyalist?
Freethinking will not win you friends.

Now off to the Ministry of Love with you.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 04:27 AM
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38. Miniluv Consumerunit Educate Insurhelp Doubleplusgood
Consumerunit AmericanIdol Watch Plusgood Desire HighFructose Ration
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 04:43 AM
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39. Doncha know that War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery and Ignorance is Strength?
Should be crystal clear by now to everyone. :argh:
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blueworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 09:57 AM
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40. a weak, impotent surrender is not the same thing as a compromise n/t
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proReality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 03:59 PM
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41. I'm beginning to think...
we're into a third Bush presidency. Obama daily acts more and more like one of them. It would be nice to know who is actually pulling all the strings. Would someone please push the curtain back so we can see?
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TiberiusGracchus Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 04:01 PM
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42. YOU FORGOT: Big Pharma gets protected from foreign competition...it's the GOP's dream bill
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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 06:18 PM
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54. Big PhRMA is largely foreign owned, it foreign competition for health
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tpsbmam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 04:50 PM
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46. You forgot to add preexisting conditions
Oh goody, look -- people with preexisting conditions will now be able to get insurance.......at up to 50% higher cost than "healthy" folk -- now that's progress!! :sarcasm:
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 05:35 PM
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50. And don't forget, older people will get to pay 300% more, too.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 05:12 PM
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47. Why have someone around who reminds everyone how ineffective you are?
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 05:24 PM
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48. Yes indeed....the sheep are also forbidden to buy far cheaper
drugs from other than the parasites fleecing them and selling their blood. The Prez and his inner circle of DINO's thinks we are no more than fools willing to swallow any old swill as long as he oils his words and grins enough. Obama has crossed the line.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 05:32 PM
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49. You nailed it.
Now watch my head explode. :nuke:

I think what disgusts me the most is that apparently Obama just wants to sign a bill -- any bill, just to say he "fixed" health care. What a crock.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 05:56 PM
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51. That's pretty much it.
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cleverusername Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 06:15 PM
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52. One more thing
You forgot the part in which women and gays were thrown under the bus. Can't you see the tire marks on our faces?
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 06:17 PM
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53. That's About It, But
I'm afraid there'll be more.
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Joe the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 06:21 PM
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55. Yup it's become backwards, good is bad, bad is good, up is down, down is up.....
war is peace, more customers for insurance companies who profit off of misery is meaningful health care reform ect....
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MissDeeds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 06:41 PM
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57. Agreed
Things have really been turned upside down, and we're not supposed to notice or mention it. Scary isn't it?

K&R
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