What pisses you off the most about the HCR debacle?

[WT Fuheck]

The abject failure of the Democrats,

or

The dishonesty, since the Senate bill is pretty much what Obama agreed with during his secret meetings with Pharma and the insurance companies way back in January and February, and all this "drama" was just a show.

[debbierlus]

1. The second because they didn't really fail if they never tried

They betrayed us, they didn't fail us.

[Parker CA]

17. That is indeed the worst kind of disappointment. If we were to find out this was done months ago

and that everything since has been mere theater for the masses.

[tabatha]

2. How do you know that about the Senate Bill?

DO you have any facts?

[mike_c]

3. both....

eom

[DrDan]

4. considering "b" . . . not sure if you could really call "a" a failure

[rurallib]

5. Well this looks like flamebait.

have a good time.

[bbinacan]

6. Being lied to. n/t

[liberalmuse]

7. I'm pissed off at myself.

For believing politicians are public servants. They're only in it for themselves. We're basically on our own. If we're going to change things, we might want to grab onto the coattails of Dean and Gore - and build a powerful grassroots. That is the only way this bullshit is going to stop. All the voting booth does is provide the corporate fat cats with more pigs to stuff.

[customerserviceguy]

18. I have to agree with your sentiments

I personally thought that meaninful HCR was a bit too ambitious right now, but I did let myself get suckered in to the idea that something significant might just happen.

We need more Democratic representatives to do that, and if the economy recovers, we get them. If not, we don't.

[liberalmuse]

23. I agree with your response.

And as heinous as this bill is, I don't know if killing it (like I suggested last night) would be good. Jesus, this is torture. We definitely need more Democratic/Liberal representation in Congress, but unfortunately, stuff like this keeps people at home in the mid-terms when we need them the most. The Senate doesn't have a nice majority to work with like the House does, and so it appears that either the WH is bending over to the conservative Dems (or we basically get jack shit), or Dems aren't fighting, and that pisses people off. The truth is, we have too many DINOs who just don't share our views of reform. I have to say it's been real frustrating to watch, but the truth is, we need more actual liberals in Congress before we will see the significant legislation we crave.

[BeHereNow]

8. Welcome to DU and that's a great question.

I think the dishonesty and production costs of the kabuki theater.

If they intended to fuck us all along, they could have
saved tons of money by skipping the so called "debate" theater antics.

BHN

[WT Fuheck]

25. thanks

It's always been like this, but never so blatantly before.

[AndyA]

9. I don't like being lied to.

I expect that from Republicans, because that's what they are: liars. It defines them.

I keep hoping some Democrats are better than that, but very few truly are. I had high hopes for Obama, but he's a disappointment.

[WeDidIt]

10. Obama pisses me off the most

I'm as pissed at him as I was at Bush Jr.

[tazkcmo]

19. Oooooo....ouch

I'm pretty pissed, disappointed, feeling betrayed and all that too, but GW Douche? Really? Remember, at least Obama gave us a little raise. I know, not even chicken feed compared to what Wall Street got but still...maybe I'm not helping...

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[bbinacan]

15. Excellent reply and welcome

to DU. :toast:

[WT Fuheck]

26. thanks.

backatcha! :toast:

[begin_within]

12. The fact that they're creating political theater-of-the-absurd with millions of people's lives.

It would be different if this was about some idiotic non-issue such as impeaching Clinton or declaring an official language of the U.S. or something. But this is a life and death issue for millions of people and they could care less.

[GeorgeGist]

14. Obama's cowardice.

[Individualist]

16. The fact that the whole thing has been a DLC dog and pony show from the beginning.

[WT Fuheck]

28. they've been doing it ever since the neocons took over.

and they keep getting away with it.

will this time be any different?

[Cleita]

20. Your second option, but then

I had an ugly suspicion all along when those Harvard doctors, who represented single payer, were not only not allowed into the committee hearings that were supposed to hear all sides, but then were arrested when they tried to demand their right to be there to present their side in a true democratic process.

[endless october]

21. that the goalposts have been moved so many times. nt

[WT Fuheck]

29. It was a blitz of red herrings

[TxVietVet]

22. They wasted lots of time and effort

for SHIT!

Reform, my a$$!

It was a welfare package for Pharma and the health care/insurance companies.

Today, the DSCC called me for a donation.
In the past couple of years, I QUIT sending money to the Democratic Party or any committee affiliated with the Democratic Party. I told the caller that if and when a Democrat has enough balls to start impeaching bu$h/cheney or investigating them, forget ever getting another nickel from me. I give my money to progressive candidates whom I believe will serve the interests of the people. "you (the dems) don't represent me. You're just another receiver of big money bribes. The people will remember this." I only support PROGRESSIVE CANDIDATES. That's how voters will gain control of the party if the voters figure that out.

[applegrove]

24. What bugs me the most was that there never was any question that

any Repuke, other than Olympia Snow, would ever vote for a success for Obama. That is the way it is going to be all through his term. Because neocons are in full throttle campaign mode and will never allow any success for the Obama White House.

As a Canadian I must say I find it frustrating Americans on this board don't seem to focus on that. Lieberman is a neocon. They are all acting like neocons now. It is just disgusting for the minority party to do that (and they will do it over and over again). They did it to Bill Clinton in the mid 1990s and they obviously like being disruptive to legislation so they will do it any time a Democrat is in power until they are held accountable for such a tactic.

[WT Fuheck]

30. republicans, Lieberman, the need for 50 votes, er 60 votes, er 101 votes...

all are just smoke screens that Obama has hidden behind.

He's either a liar or an ineffectual loser. In either case he's a coward.

But he sure talks purty.

I had high hopes for him. I was a fool.

The republicans are the enemies of America. The blue dogs, DLCers and "centrists" are too. That leaves about ten people in DC who are worth a lukewarm squirt. Man I hope I'm wrong...

[applegrove]

41. I hope you are wrong too.

[saltpoint]

27. At the high risk of sounding like a one-note Johnny, I cite for blame the

media, who while always doing a poor job of covering important issues, absolutely licked it off the floor on health care reform.

As bad as they usually are, they were worse still for this issue.

[WT Fuheck]

32. absolutely. they treat whatever wild-ass insane bullshit the far right invents

as though it had equal merit to reality.

The media is the mouthpiece of our enemies. It is almost inexplicable that they allow Olberman to continue.

[JVS]

31. Wasting many months when a simple vote count could have prevented this

[BlueIdaho]

33. Donating all that money and spending all those countless hours

helping these asshats get into office last year.

[WT Fuheck]

34. you and me both...

:shrug:

[dysfunctional press]

35. the people who think that this bill is better than no bill and starting over.

as long as you're asking.

[WT Fuheck]

36. Yeah. A moldy, botulism-infested half a slice is better than no loaf at all...

[Kablooie]

37. What pisses me off is that I feel we are still under the Bush administration!

[Raine]

38. Being betrayed and lied to

INFURIATES me!! :mad: :argh: :nuke:

[TexasObserver]

39. Ill advised threads such as this one.

What pisses me off the most are (1) the influence of the health care industry and (2) the subservience of the GOP to that industry.

[madokie]

40. And how the fuck you know that

you don't

[Avalux]

42. Ahh...stirring the DU pot must be a lot of fun these days. n/t

[Lydia Leftcoast]

43. The fact that they never even considered single payer

and kept weakening the bill till it was pure corporate welfare--as I predicted, sadly.