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Thu Dec-17-09 02:03 AM
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So say they KNOW we can't afford this mandated insurance fee- what does it mean? |
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Pain in the ass that I am, I can't help looking to the future in regards to the latest political machinations.
What does it tell us about our future as citizens?
As in, can it possibly be that they are so far removed from we, the people, that they actually think we can afford to pony up their mandated cost of insurance, or is there something more sinister at hand?
What exactly is the plan for people who can't afford their taxes as it is, Much less an additional fine for failure to buy health insurance? Debtor prison or mandatory military service as debtor forgiveness?
WTF is the bottom line?
Just thinking out loud...
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Thu Dec-17-09 02:05 AM
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Thu Dec-17-09 02:08 AM
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4. Must. Review. Latest. Fox, MSNBS, CNN headlines about celebrities |
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as to not be noticed as a questioning citizen. Thanks for the reminder. BHN
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Thu Dec-17-09 02:07 AM
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2. Exactly. We are toast. This isn't a functioning system anymore |
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When they're done feeding, the buzzards will just fly off.
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Thu Dec-17-09 02:07 AM
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Thu Dec-17-09 02:08 AM
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5. Maybe they're planning to loan us a bunch of money |
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Thu Dec-17-09 02:09 AM
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6. Fear mongering nonsense |
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A tiny tiny tiny fraction of people who owe money to the IRS wind up in prison. They are people who have money and blatantly refuse to pay taxes because they think the federal income tax isn't constitutional and that the 16th amendment was never really ratified or some other such nonsense. The only people that might really and truly wind up in prison over this are a few idiot tea-baggers who have money but blatantly refuse to follow the law.
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Thu Dec-17-09 02:25 AM
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14. So why the penalties in the legislation? |
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If it is just "fear mongering" nonsense? Nothing happens in politics by accident, more so by design.
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Thu Dec-17-09 02:32 AM
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18. The point of the mandate is to make people buy insurance |
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It's not to send people to prison. There's no change in the law, it's just imposing a new tax. If you don't pay the tax you face the same penalties as for not paying any other tax. One of which theoretically could include prison, but it's extremely unlikely.
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Thu Dec-17-09 02:38 AM
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20. How is it unlikely? I can barely afford my kid's medical bills! |
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What the fuck is going to happen to us when we have to choose her medications and "insurance" that doesn't cover her condition?
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Thu Dec-17-09 03:10 AM
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26. As stated below, it doesn't apply if premiums exceed 8% of your income post subsidy |
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Edited on Thu Dec-17-09 03:10 AM by Hippo_Tron
If you pass that threshold and don't pay the IRS might possibly try to garnish your wages. Prison is extremely unlikely.
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Thu Dec-17-09 03:25 AM
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29. Can I have some of what you're smoking? |
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It might help. I have been trying for two years to get my kid help. Can you direct me to the part of this HCR that will help us now?
I doubt it.
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Thu Dec-17-09 03:29 AM
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30. I didn't say it would help or that it's a good bill |
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I'm saying that debtor's prison is ridiculous fear mongering.
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Thu Dec-17-09 03:39 AM
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Thu Dec-17-09 02:10 AM
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7. The mandate does not apply to anyone for which post-subsidy premiums would be 8%+ of income. n/t |
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Thu Dec-17-09 02:25 AM
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13. So it's 8% of our income or punishment. That's the cap? Is that a permanent cap? No loopholes? |
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Let's see:
So that's a new $320 a month bill for a single person earning $4K a month, but taking home $2.8K after taxes. And that's just for insurance--that doesn't even pay your deductables and what your insurers don't cover.
And that's best case scenario.
(Meanwhile, right now, I pay nothing and can't afford the co-pays and deductables...)
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Thu Dec-17-09 06:05 AM
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It doesn't mean everyone has to pay at least 8% of their income. It means that, if (even after government subsidies appropriate to your income bracket) the amount you would have to pay in premiums for the cheapest qualifying plan came to more than 8% of your income, you would be exempt from the mandate and could go without insurance without having to pay a penalty. (If you fell under that category, you'd also have the option to purchase low-cost "young and invincible" insurance that would really only cover catastrophic illness, no matter what your age. Note that you'd have the option to do so, but wouldn't have to.)
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Thu Dec-17-09 03:19 AM
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28. So now we are tithing? |
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Thu Dec-17-09 02:11 AM
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Class action suit. I swear if the leave in the mandatory insurance and don't put a reasonable cap on what they can charge we ought to sue the U.S. Government.
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Thu Dec-17-09 02:18 AM
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10. But who will enforce the laws? |
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From what I've observed, there is no one to actually enforce the law!
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Thu Dec-17-09 02:14 AM
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9. Itjust means all the homeless psychotics and sociopaths will be drafted into the Army. nt |
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Thu Dec-17-09 02:22 AM
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11. you guys know mandates existed well before KO mentioned them Wed night |
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remove pre existing, and you have to have mandates. there's no way around their symbiotic relationship.
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Thu Dec-17-09 02:27 AM
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16. Yeah, but there was a way around leaving us to the mercy of the criminal insurance cartels nt |
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Thu Dec-17-09 02:24 AM
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12. you don't want to know my answer |
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but you probably already do. :-(
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Thu Dec-17-09 02:26 AM
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15. I'm so glad you are here. |
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Thu Dec-17-09 02:37 AM
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19. it's entirely appropriate to |
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get down and determine what the options are. If I had the means, I'd leave the country. I still strongly urge people to get involved in, and vote in their own local elections.
:hug:
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Thu Dec-17-09 02:42 AM
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21. I'm thinking my ONLY option is to leave the country. |
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My kid has a life long condition that is wiping me out under the current US "health care" plan. The new proposal will result in our losing everything. Fuck that. Fuck this country.
BHN
PS: You can always visit us.
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Thu Dec-17-09 02:52 AM
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should we die trying to save a country? I think we've done more than our part.
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Thu Dec-17-09 02:32 AM
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17. I think the American middle and working classes stand teetering on the brink of |
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Edited on Thu Dec-17-09 03:02 AM by laughingliberal
extinction. I think the corporations are alarmed that a few pennies remain in the pockets of sum even after the upward transfer of $5 trillion. This will take care of that. Once we're stripped out they'll turn out the lights and head off to the next developing nation ripe for the picking. Welcome to the Failed States of America.
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Thu Dec-17-09 02:46 AM
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22. I'm working on GETTING OUT. |
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Any one who thinks this country will ever resemble even a SHADOW of its former self needs medication for delusional disorder. The rape of the corpse is nearly complete. The vultures are full and there is no meat left on the bones. BHN
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Thu Dec-17-09 02:56 AM
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25. you aren't being negative |
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you're admitting the truth.
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Thu Dec-17-09 03:11 AM
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27. Get while the gettin's good |
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I had a sudden realization that things weren't working here 10 years ago. Realizing I was among the most sought after professions in the world, I began researching emigration to Australia. Too late. I was less than a year from the cut off age for occupations of preference and not enough time to get it done. Too late for me but I'd advise anyone young enough to do it. If you are not in one of the preferred occupations, do anything you need to do to get the training and get the hell out of here. It's gonna get real ugly, here.
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Thu Dec-17-09 02:55 AM
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24. do you like camping...? |
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(that is what people will be doing at the 'camps', right...?)
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Thu Dec-17-09 10:50 PM
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33. Kicking, because I want to hear your thoughts DU. |
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