There is a scary undercurrent running that the Tea Parties and other events have been obscuring.

[Are_grits_groceries]

The glimpses of it that have reached the surface have been the campaigns against gay marriage. The amount of money and groups behind this virulent movement is astonishing. The given reason that gay marriage will be a detriment to heterosexual marriage is nonsensical. It is a stalking horse for the real move against the gay community itself. The hate engendered by the antigay marriage groups is attached not just to marriage, but also to homosexuals.

This isn't a sudden change of direction. It is a calculated move by the Christian Right to continue an anti-gay agenda. It has been going on for years right under our noses.

Please read the article at this link:
Palin's Church Promotes Gay Conversion
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/9/6/12324/34356
The first part is about Palin's ties to this movement, but the second part is a report on this movement based on 3 years of research. It was issued TEN years ago.

Now there is a confluence of events that has finally hit the mainstream.
1-Palin's ties to this movement. She has become a potent political force because of her VP candidate status.
2-Uganda's open move to legalize killing gays.
3-The C Street connection to Uganda, and its history of involvement there.
4-The connection of some members of Congress to C Street. Some of them have also been openly going to Uganda.
5-The involvement of Rick Warren and his huge network of pastors in Uganda.
6-The lack of condemnation of killing gays legally by Warren, C Streeters, and others. There have been a lot of people and groups that have remained strangely silent or were tardy in their condemnation besides those mentioned.
7-The Teapissers main clown Jim DeMint calling the gay lifestyle immoral.
8-The inclusion of Bishop Harry Jackson and that other hateful speaker (the name escapes me, but not the hate)in the Teamugger Rally.
9-The killing of gays in Iraq and Iran without much of a notice by anyone in power.
10-The proposal in Rwanda to criminalize homosexuality.
There are probably many more items I have missed.

Rachel Maddow is a lone voice in the MSM wilderness trying to point this out.

This does not bode well.

I also think Africa has been a chosen spot by the haters to get a movement started because they don't believe the press will highlight it. They are also preying on the people there who may or may not have an intolerance for gays. If they do, then it is ramped up. If they don't, then one is introduced.

What is next?

[quaker bill]

1. This has been going on in Africa

for quite some time. Kenya was an early center for this activity, Uganda and Rwanda have recently been in the news. Churches that in this country have no problem with gay marriage and equal rights have been threatened with splits or have split with African groups that have adopted very discriminatory stands on the issue. There has been evidence that some far right groups in this country have been working to cause these splits in other churches and working to build politically powerful anti-gay movements in these countries. This stuff dates well back into the Bush administration, perhaps before it.

[Are_grits_groceries]

2. I don't doubt it.

There is a nasty movement metastasizing.

[jmowreader]

3. I don't think it's JUST an antigay movement

We've been using a couple of rather interesting terms: Christian Taliban, Talibornagain, like that. I think this is the case. The Christian Right is going to do anything it can, anywhere in the world it can, to destroy non-Christian culture. You know how they like to use the term "Judeo-Christian"? Forget that. They would like nothing better than to convert all the Jews to Christianity. (The fact that converting all the Jews to Christianity is one of the requirements for Jesus' return is not important right now.)

I think they want to stamp out anything they don't like--gays, single people (especially single people who are sexually active), childless people, people who have a different faith or no faith whatsoever...

[Are_grits_groceries]

7. I think the gay community is first.

From what I can tell, that is where the venom is being directed.

[Th1onein]

11. For some reason, these people are into what's going on in other people's bedrooms.

They've got a major problem with anything but the missionary position, and they only tolerate that because it makes babies.

[OneGrassRoot]

4. And this is why, no matter how upset some of us are right now....

we DON'T WANT the Palins of the world in The White House or holding more seats in Congress.

We keep working to get progressives into office, always mindful of how bad it really COULD get.

Some politics may be the same ol', same ol' regardless of (D) or (R), but when I get frustrated, I consider how, if Palin or her ilk were in The White House, being gay could become punishable by death as is occurring in Uganda.

And that's just one example of how much worse it could get.

That helps to keep me focused.

[LeftinOH]

5. THANK YOU! +1,000,000,000 -n/t

[OneGrassRoot]

6. You are most welcome. It's true....

it could get SO MUCH WORSE. We should not be complete defeatists. We see the corrupt system that is our government and should strive to make it BETTER (I know, easier said than done), recognizing that it truly, truly could be much worse than our current status quo politics.

While I fear and loathe the control Corporate America has on all of us, I fear even more the possibility of religious fundamentalists having more control over our daily lives.

My opinion. :)

[Mari333]

8. I honestly and truly believe

that there are people in this country who, if they could usurp the law or make the laws, would have no problem at all stoning people to death in public or executing them according to what they think the bible says.

if they could get away with it here, they would.

[Are_grits_groceries]

9. They are going for a theocracy now.

Gays aren't the only target.
Stupak's amendment and the meddling in Uganda regarding condoms proves that.

[Th1onein]

10. I read about this shit and it just makes me sick to my stomach.

What kind of people have a NEED to hate?

[Kolesar]

12. Wow kick ... eom