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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:11 AM
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Gibbs Lashes Back At Dean, Suggests He's Irrational
Edited on Thu Dec-17-09 10:43 AM by defendandprotect
Gibbs Lashes Back At Dean, Suggests He's Irrational

On Wednesday, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs strongly hit back at former DNC Chairman Howard Dean for criticizing the Senate health care bill, suggesting, at one point, that Dean was being irrational and didn't understand the contents of the legislation.

"I don't know what piece of legislation he is reading," said Gibbs.

"I would ask Dr. Dean, how better do you address those who don't have insurance: passing a bill that will cover 30 million who don't currently have it or killing the bill?" he added. "I don't think any rational person would say killing the bill makes a whole lot of sense at this point."

Asked if Dean was acting irrationally, Gibbs replied: "I can't tell what his motives are, to be honest with you."

A prominent champion of the public plan, Dean has strongly criticized the recent round of compromises made by Senate Democratic leadership, in which the public option was axed and a provision to expand Medicare was also sacrificed. The former Vermont governor has called the current incarnation a give-away to the insurance industry because it won't effectively control the cost of premiums and would not create additional competition for the private market. Gibbs went through a list of Dean's complaints, rebutting them one by one. He also insisted that, during his run for the White House in 2004, Dean ran on a platform that resembled the current Senate bill.

"If this is an insurance company's dream, I think the insurance companies have yet to get the memo," he summarized.

In actuality, the insurance companies do seem to have considered the recent round of negotiations a victory, with one executive telling Ben Smith of Politico: "We win."

The relationship between Dean and the White House has been frosty, starting when the president did not pick the former DNC chair for the post of Health and Human Services Secretary. But the rhetoric from Gibbs on Wednesday brought the animus to a far more public level.

Asked if they are worried that Dean's criticism of the bill will sway progressives in the Senate, Gibbs replied: "No."

Asked if Dean was an irritant, Gibbs replied: "That is not a question for me to answer. I think if you look at what Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) and Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) and others have said, I think they can point out the benefits of the legislation."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/16/gibbs-lashes-back-at-dean_n_394596.html



EDIT: Yep -- Dean is "irrational" ... Dean's a "screamer" . . .

and the White House just loves ole Lieberman -- !!!

Obviously, Lieberman is doing something for the White House and Dem leadership that they

very much need and want done!!!

Gibbs didn't correct the questioner as he should have --

I don't know what piece of legislation he is reading," said Gibbs.

"I would ask Dr. Dean, how better do you address those who don't have insurance: passing a bill that will cover 30 million who don't currently have it or killing the bill?" he added. "I don't think any rational person would say killing the bill makes a whole lot of sense at this point."


When Gibbs suggests that "anyone" who is RATIONAL would say kill the bill . . .

it's not difficult to get the drift that the White House is suggesting that Dean is "IRRATIONAL"...

!!!




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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:13 AM
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1. Brilliant. Go After Dean.
Incredible.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:13 AM
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2. Gibbs is a tool. eom
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:14 AM
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3. For christ sake. Dean is irrational but Liebertwit is functioning with all his marbles. Idiot.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:15 AM
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4. "I can't tell what his motives are"
Of course you can't you fucking hack, he has none. You've been buried in Washington shit for so long you are fucking clueless as to what is happening in the outside world. Dean is trying to save your ass from yourself and the wrath of the people and you are calling him irrational. Good luck on the unemployment line.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:19 AM
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6. press secretaries are paid to lie - dem or repub, lie n spin n act cutsie to duck reality nt
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:20 AM
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7. That was a carefully worded response. It wasn't off the cuff.
Gibbs was asked if he thought Dean was irrational. He could have answered a few ways:

1) He could have claimed that Dean was irrational, or

2) He could have admitted that Dean wasn't irrational.


#1 would be seen as an attack and #2 as an admission...so he chose a third option...


3) Ignore the question and make a vague insinuative statement about Dean's "motives".

It's a great strategic call, really.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:12 AM
Response to Reply #7
42. Gibbs should have objected to the question . . . however, he didn't really
have a leg to stand on when the decision was made to label Dean as

"not rational" for standing against this health care DEFORM --!!!

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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:19 AM
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5. And so it begins.....
If you can't refute your detractors, accuse them of being mentally unstable.

Nice.
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:20 AM
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8. Dean has a history of being unstable.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #8
10. and the DLC comes into slime
as per always.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:25 AM
Response to Reply #10
16. +1 (nt)
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #10
21. Booyah!!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #8
13. What the fuck? Dean certainly does not have
a history of being unstable. Shove that crap.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:24 AM
Response to Reply #8
14. Really?
The "scream"?

What are you talking about?
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #8
20. would you care to back that up with legitimate citations?
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:51 AM
Response to Reply #20
28. Google
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:05 AM
Response to Reply #28
35. Cop out, as expected.
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #35
40. LOL!
He said a lot of irrational thing in his run against John Kerry. Then he lost and hid under his rock at the DNC.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:29 AM
Response to Reply #40
51. such as?
What are your examples?
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HelenWheels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #8
22. You are so wrong
Dean is one of the few stable Dems left.
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:55 AM
Response to Reply #8
30. Link, please. n/t
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #8
64. Fuck your lies
Edited on Thu Dec-17-09 11:47 AM by Moochy
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #8
77. Bullshit. Gibbs just recycled right wing crap.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #5
11. Better than that. Gibbs never agreed that Dean was irrational.
He vaguely implied that Dean had "motives".

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:38 AM
Response to Reply #5
24. Actually, the question comes from a reporter . . but Gibbs doesn't object to it --
Edited on Thu Dec-17-09 10:41 AM by defendandprotect
nor say no --


"I don't know what piece of legislation he is reading," said Gibbs.

"I would ask Dr. Dean, how better do you address those who don't have insurance: passing a bill that will cover 30 million who don't currently have it or killing the bill?" he added. "I don't think any rational person would say killing the bill makes a whole lot of sense at this point."


When Gibbs suggests that "anyone" who is RATIONAL would say kill the bill . . .

it's not difficult to get the drift that the White House is suggesting that Dean is "IRRATIONAL"...

!!!




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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:20 AM
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9. Hey Gibbs YEEEEARG
Makes more sense than anything you've said in months.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:22 AM
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12. Dean v. Gibbs is a fight Gibbs cannot win.
He's a mouthpiece, while Dean actually understands what the hell he's talking about.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:25 AM
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15. Food Fight!!!!!
C'mon...we've seen this show before. The corporate media loves to play the "Democrats are eating their own" card. It's a tried and true meme that allows their talking heads to bump their gums for hours on end...speculation and pontificating. Thus a disagreement becomes some major battle and the egos and pundits fly. The corporate media dry humps this puppy until another Tiger bimbo eruption.
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optimal-tomato Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:26 AM
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17. Gibbs is just Obama's spokesman.
Russ Feingold 2012.

There I said it.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:30 AM
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18. The thing that bothers me is why the
administration is paying attention to Lieberman and trying to soothe his feelings, yet demonize Howard Dean as soon as he opens his mouth. Dean is a doctor and has dealt with insurance companies for ages. Lieberman just takes money from them. They must be very afraid of Dean.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:37 AM
Response to Reply #18
23. IMO, Lieberman's positions make them happy -- Dean's don't . . .!!???
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:41 AM
Response to Reply #23
25. Who has a vote Dean or Lieberman?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:46 AM
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26. Democratic leadership have made Lieberman more powerful than the preisdent . . .
Edited on Thu Dec-17-09 10:46 AM by defendandprotect
they haven't stripped him of his chairmanship --

and it's all because he has a vote?

Hardly -- !!!

Simple majority is 51 votes --

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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #26
27. Again who has a vote?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #27
39. Are you suggesting that Lieberman is voting with Democrats???
This isn't about a "vote" --

It's about a corporate agenda -- Lieberman and DLC back it --

Howard Dean is for the people --

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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #39
45. I'm suggesting Dean has no vote, and is
irrelevant. Lieberman sucks, but he is relevant.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:27 AM
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50. Liberman is NOT voting with Democrats -- he isn't relevant and should
Edited on Thu Dec-17-09 11:27 AM by defendandprotect
be treated as such --

Gee . . . wonder what the GOP would have done with a problem like Lieberman . . . ???

:eyes:
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:33 AM
Response to Reply #50
54. He doesn't have a vote and is irrelevant.
:crazy:
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:50 AM
Response to Reply #54
65. If Dean were irrelevant
the WH wouldn't have tried to discredit him, he wouldn't even be heard, and none of us would be writing about him.
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:50 AM
Response to Reply #65
66. LOL!
:rofl:
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #66
71. Not going down that road with you. Waste somebody else's time.
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #71
74. You replied to me. I responded.
:popcorn:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #65
80. True . . .
Meanwhile, the counter attempt by Democratic leadership to portray Lieberman

as someone with Superman power -- evidently more powerful than Obama, himself --

is something we should focus on. If anyone believes it, Lieberman runs the

Democratic Party!!!???



:eyes:
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #45
73. Only if you want him to be.
The Dems could easily change the rules lowering the threshold to bust a filibuster and ram this through with a simple majority and we wouldn't need that corporate fuckwit LIEberman. But they won't do it because they don't want to. They don't give a shit about really reforming the health care system, only about placating the insurance companies who line their pockets.
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optimal-tomato Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #25
32. Considering that Dean represents probably 40 House Democrats and a half dozen Senators...
It's a big risk to chase Droopy Dog's vote if it could shatter your majority coalition.

Especially when there are no fewer than 2 alternatives: reconciliation and the so-called nuclear option. Neither of which is unprecedented.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #18
37. Lieberman is a Senator
Dean doesn't have a vote anywhere.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:30 AM
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19. Scrap this bill and go for reconciliation.
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #19
68. Yes, I agree
This should have been done from the start instead of wasting time trying to win over Republicans and conservative Democrats.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #68
76. Zoinks!
We agree!


:hi:
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #76
78. I guess it was bound to happen
:)
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 02:48 AM
Response to Reply #68
81. That was a fake time waster . . . . IMO . . .
Edited on Fri Dec-18-09 02:48 AM by defendandprotect
Could any "rational" Democrat honestly say working with Repugs would be the way to go after

the last 8 years!!!

:eyes:
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:53 AM
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29. Gibbs had better be very careful. He is joining the Ari Fleisher, Scott McClelland and Dana Perino
school of press secretaries.

In other words, he's becoming another shill.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:57 AM
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31. Irrational is attacking your own base while coddling those who mean you ill n/t
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #31
34. If you have given up you are not his base. nt
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:05 AM
Response to Reply #34
36. And if you are his base I give up.
:rofl:
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #36
41. About time.
:popcorn:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #41
44. Not that easy for you.
I'll still be around and a Dem long after Palin has gotten your vote.

:popcorn:
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #44
48. LOL! I'm not yelling KILL THE BILL,
like a teabagger. :popcorn:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #48
59. Says the one who agrees with Palin on the war and Obama's speech.
:popcorn:
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #59
63. Dean is lying, or ignorant.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 02:50 AM
Response to Reply #63
82. Dean is telling the truth which is clear to all . . . . and it's knocked the socks off
the White House which seemed to think that everyone was buying their

latest "sting" . . . ????

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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:04 AM
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33. I hope this means Dean got under their skin
It's my best guess they don't have 60 votes, anyway. Isn't Senator Kennedy's seat still unfilled?

Those of us with good Senators (I have Boxer, for example) need to ask them to abstain on the cloture vote. Howard Dean is right. This bill needs to be killed.

Those of us with good Congresspeople (I have Barbara Lee. Okay, I'm spoiled. :evilgrin:) need to let them know this bill must be killed. At the very least, we need to let them know that the Stupak amendment must go. That, right there, might kill this thing.
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Tippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:20 AM
Response to Reply #33
46. Senator Kennedys seat is filled however there will be a special election
Edited on Thu Dec-17-09 11:23 AM by Tippy
After the first of the year....The Gov. appointed Paul Kirk
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 12:16 PM
Response to Reply #46
75. Thanks for clearing that up
:hi:
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:06 AM
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38. doesn't he sound like a pompous windbag
"he's irrational...."

...well, ok then Mr. Smarty pants. Get off the high horse before you fall and break your figurative neck.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:13 AM
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43. Good for Gibb!, don't let this bitter man derail what is still a good bill
or end what has proven to be a very successful presidency
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #43
49. Well, we've found Gibbs' replacement...
Remember, though, administrations tend to cast off cheerleaders every time the wind changes.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:30 AM
Response to Reply #49
52. "cheerleader" wasn't use of that word in the context you used it banned
Edited on Thu Dec-17-09 11:49 AM by NJmaverick
didn't also signify and utter contempt for intellectual honesty?

I'm betting someone like you is also the first to hit alert if a word that you find offensive is used.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #52
53. Two misconceptions:
1) I have never alerted to any reply to any post I have made. Ever.

2) I'm not accusing you of "intellectual dishonesty". I'm accusing you of zealotry.


Glad we got that cleared up.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:33 AM
Response to Reply #53
56. You don't understand
your use of the phrase "cheerleader" betrayed your intellectual dishonesty.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #56
57. Actually, the term conveyed my honest assessment...intellectually and otherwise.
O.K., perhaps not occupationally. I have no idea how you look in a cheerleading outfit.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #57
60. I don't think you understand what the term intellectual honesty means
it's not an accusation of you lying about your feelings or beliefs, but rather it's a flawed reasoning system that blinds one from the truth and creates an inability to develop the proper perspective. To develop good intellectual honesty requires effort and discipline.

It's funny though. From where the GOP sits, they are the ones cheering for you and your efforts. I wonder why that is? I wonder why freepers hope I fail and you succeed.

but go ahead don't let my facts and reasoning get in the way of your childish taunts. After all I only call on Dems to act maturely while you prefer something completely different.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #60
69. Y'know, it is possible to be "intellectually honest" and disagree with you and this WH.
It is, really.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 12:03 PM
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72. Oh, I understand.
Intellectual dishonesty is dishonesty in performing intellectual activities like thought or communication. Examples are:

* the advocacy of a position which the advocate knows or believes to be false or misleading
* the conscious omission of aspects of the truth known or believed to be relevant in the particular context.


I've done neither. My assessment of your comments has been honest and consistent. In my opinion, you lack objectivity on this issue.

I voted for Obama. I do not have "buyer's remorse" nor do I fail to give him credit when he does well. I also refrain from criticizing him on things with which I don't agree but show consistency (Afghanistan, for example).

However, when he promises to address DADT or NAFTA and fails to do so or when he pledges to reform health care (in an implied positive way) and we get garbage like this, I will definitely comment. That's objectivity, and it's also fair.

...and I don't give one whit about how the GOP feels about it.


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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:20 AM
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47. Another indication that we have a DLC administration
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:33 AM
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55. Right out of the Republican playbook. n/t
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KakistocracyHater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:39 AM
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58. it seems projectionism is now a disease that can be caught at the WH
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:44 AM
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61. Between this crap and the Cheney-esque declarations BHO made to Charlie Gibson last night,
I'm just utterly horrified and dismayed.


Who ARE these people?
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:45 AM
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62. Irrational 50 state strategy!
What a nut that Dean is! :sarcasm:
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:52 AM
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67. The White House will pay for this in the next months.
They have just lost my vote.

And lord knows how many others.

Hope it hits em in the ass.
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 12:00 PM
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70. This isn't about base, or even healthcare reform, it's about
the WH trying to invalidate Dean's opposition.

This bill just forces people to buy insurance. It delivers more revenue to the ones holding Lieberman's leash. Without a public option, there is nothing to control premium costs.

I want to see it die, too.
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 04:01 PM
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79. Gibbs is a smug craphead.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 08:57 PM
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83. Gibbs became a spokesman for a group that launched a nasty attack ad on Dean in '04
THE 2004 CAMPAIGN: ADVERTISING; New Democratic Group Finances a Republican-like Attack on Dean

A new Democratic group that is running advertisements against Howard Dean and has not yet disclosed its sources of financing has introduced by far the toughest commercial of the primary election season.

Though the advertisement, which began running on Friday in South Carolina and New Hampshire, is paid for by Democrats, it offers a taste of a likely Republican strategy against Dr. Dean should he win the presidential nomination.

The spot opens with a Time magazine cover featuring Osama bin Laden as synthesizer music seemingly out of a post-apocalyptic science fiction movie is heard.

As the camera focuses on Mr. bin Laden's eyes. the following words flash on the screen: ''Dangerous World,'' ''Destroy Us,'' ''Dangers Ahead'' and ''No Experience.''

''Americans want a president who can face the dangers ahead,'' an announcer intones. ''But Howard Dean has no military or foreign policy experience. And Howard Dean just cannot compete with George Bush on foreign policy. It's time for Democrats to think about that -- and think about it now.''


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F02E2D9113CF935A25751C1A9659C8B63

Now I'm not sure from the article if Gibbs was behind this only that he was a spokesman for the group which the article names him further down at the link.
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