Dean: I Won’t “Vigorously” Support Obama’s Re-election

[tekisui]

Source: The Raw Story

WASHINGTON -- Escalating his opposition to what remains of the health care legislation, former Gov. Howard Dean has taken more swipes at President Obama, after a contentious back-and-forth that led to Press Secretary Robert Gibbs publicly sniping at him on Wednesday.

Dean, who outspokenly championed the public option and also supported the Medicare buy-in, said Thursday on MSNBC's Morning Joe that he won't "vigorously" support Obama's re-election in 2012.

"I'm going to support President Obama when he runs for re-election," Dean, also a former DNC Chair, said. "Not vigorously. I'm going to vote for him."

more: http://rawstory.com/2009/12/dean-vigorously-support-obamas-reelection/

[BurtWorm]

1. I hope Obama starts acting in a way that makes more that I will even VOTE for him.

[Buzz Clik]

2. I guess that Dean is going all in.

He is betting his relevance against political realities.

[PassingFair]

10. He is betting truth against politics.

But don't let that bother you.

[Buzz Clik]

13. His concept of the truth. He clearly is speaking for you. He is not speaking for me.

It doesn't bother me in the slightest.

[PassingFair]

16. He is speaking the simple truth.

Just as he always does.

I don't doubt that it doesn't bother you
to not heed it.

[Buzz Clik]

In politics, the truth is very subjective.

You attempts to insult me are falling short.

[PassingFair]

20. The truth is the truth. What's subjective is politics.

Take that as an insult if you want.

[Buzz Clik]

22. Your are suffering from all the symptoms of modern US partisanship.

When people are no longer able to recognize that every issue in politics has at least two worthy sides, then we are destined for political gridlock. Obama, Kerry, Reid, Pelosi all get it. Kucinich, Dean, Lieberman, Boehner, Bush, Cheney et al. don't get it.

It's an illness that needs a cure if we ever expect progress on important issues.

[maglatinavi]

23. PARTISANSHIP

Don't put Dean's name in the same category as Liebermouse, pleassse!
:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

[PassingFair]

29. We'll never get progress if we don't work for it.

This bill does nothing to curtail escalating costs.

It is worse than nothing.

(Why don't you compare Dean to HITLER while you're at it.)

Then I get to compare Reid to Chamberlain.

[maglatinavi]

30. hc bill

Yesss! It is "worse than nothing." I hope it doesn't pass and the whole reform goes back to the table to be construed with a strong public option...and goes for the 51 votes... period...:fistbump:

[PassingFair]

32. +1 n/t

[Buzz Clik]

36. Compare Dean to Hitler? I didn't compare him to anyone.

Geebus fucking cristo. Where does this come from?

[PassingFair]

39. From this:

"Kucinich, Dean, Lieberman, Boehner, Bush, Cheney et al. don't get it. "


Lump Dean in with Lieberman, Boehner, Bush and Cheney et. al.???

Geebus fucking cristo, do you comprehend what you type?

[Buzz Clik]

45. So, to whom did I compare Dean? All of them? Some of them? Just one of your choosing?

Try none.

Using your crazed logic, this sentence would be comparing Jimmy Carter to Stalin: "World leaders of the 20th century would include Jimmy Carter, Joseph Stalin, and Winston Churchill."

Get a grip.

[PassingFair]

46. You lumped him in as behaving like those you cited.

What is your problem?

[Buzz Clik]

49. The problem isn't mine. You're looking for a fight, and I won't give you one.

Please carry on, but you'll have to play with yourself.

[PassingFair]

50. Thank you.

It will be vastly preferable to playing with you.

[Buzz Clik]

54. I guess that's why you've quit responding...

:rofl:

[PassingFair]

55. ...and why you can't STOP responding....

Thought you were "done".

[Vincardog]

42. no longer able to recognize that every issue in politics has at least two worthy sides? Torture?

illegal Wars of aggression? Shredding the Constitution?

Please tell me the worthy side of these issues?

[Buzz Clik]

47. You're carrying this bizarre banner that the truth is absolute.

Keep in mind that some people think incarceration is torture, or giving a child a 1 minute "time out" is torture. There are dozens of sides of that issue, and all are credible to those who think.

[Vincardog]

53. Don't trivialize. Torture is a known. It is not a perception. No one is entitled to their own truth

[rudy23]

3. Dean's got his finger on the pulse, The WH is living in a Bushian bubble. nt

[xiamiam]

17. 'bushian bubble'..been thinkingthe same thing myself..like the term...nt

[Connie_Corleone]

4. I know he's disappointed but....

to predict whether you will "vigorously" support someone less than a year into a 4 year term is kind of jumping the gun a bit.

It would be more rational to judge him over a full term in office and everything else he does before proclaiming that you won't "vigorously" support someone.

But then again, being rational has been thrown out the window around here.

And I'm not saying Dean doesn't have a reason to be upset.

[maglatinavi]

5. Obama

I wrote in Hillary's name in my ballot... hope she or Dean run in 2012! Obama has been a disappointment, specially in the matter of Health care reform... and he apologized to Liebermouse? For what, for Heavens sake, tell me!
:puke: :mad: :puke: :mad: :puke: :mad: :puke: :mad:

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

8. what apology? nt

[maglatinavi]

15. apology

I read that Obama apologized to Liebermouse... However, Liebermouse said that Obama thanked him... for what??? it seems that the world is getting upside down!:yoiks: :yoiks: :yoiks: :yoiks:

[MessiahRp]

9. Hillary is not a choice versus Obama. They run with the same crowd and support the same things.

It would be no different in this HC Debate right now with Hillary in charge. The New Democrat/DLC/Blue Dog crowd needs to be taken on directly.

I am willing to bet that the next 3 years of Obama's run will be just as disappointing... and maybe that will be the tipping point to convince Howard Dean to primary Obama.

Rp

[maglatinavi]

28. No, she is not...

Hillary had a very clear horizon about hc... if she had been the potus she would have moved the matter strongly before Teddy passed. She is very smart. I believed and believe in her...Maybe Obama is too inexperienced like so many said... maybe he thinks the repugs are going to support him... maybe he lost his bearings in the wh... maybe, maybe... the truth is that we are in a very negative situation and "we the people" are the worst for it... (Deep profound sigh!!!) I wish he would realize the truth of the situation...:cry:

[MessiahRp]

33. Dude you're projecting who you wish Hillary were over top of who she is...

The Clintons are knee deep in the DLC mess. They helped create all of this. Rahm's their guy. And Hillary has taken a ton of cash from the HC industry.

She would be no different.

Rp

[blm]

35. She sure didn't lead anything FOR Dem issues while she was senator. She never lead a battle against

Bush, either. In fact, she and Joe Lieberman stayed on the same page until she started her primary campaign for president.

[Ignis]

41. Besides, she has such a great track record on this issue.

:eyes:

[RainDog]

12. Hillary campaigned for Lieberman's election against the democratic candidate

so, honestly, you wouldn't have gotten anything better with her.

[maglatinavi]

21. Dog

SHE DID NOT!!! I THINK THAT BILL DID BEFORE LIEBERMOUSE DECIDED TO RUN AGAINST THE WINNER OF THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY! GEEZ!!!:dem: :dem: :dem: :dem:

[flyarm]

37. so did Obama ! in fact : Joe Lieberman was Obama’s Mentor in the Senate

Remember Joe Lieberman was Obama’s Mentor in the Senate

By: fflambeau Monday December 14, 2009 10:05 pm

Those who are up in arms over Sen. Joe Lieberman’s "veto" of the extension of Medicare should remember this. When Sen. Barack Obama arrived in Washington, D.C. in 2005, he selected as his mentor none other than: Joe Lieberman.

Here’s David Sirota writing about this, after discussing Obama’s stab in the back of the progressive Lamont in Connecticut and his stab in the back of the progressive Christine Cegelis (Obama backed Duckworth) way back in 2006:

snip:

Other sources, including the Hartford Courant, reported that Obama chose Lieberman as his mentor.]

http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/18929

[blm]

56. And yet Hillary chose to be on the EXACT SAME PAGE with Lieberman for SIX YEARS!

Gee....what does THAT say about her?

[Buzz Clik]

19. DU is alive with people like you. They lived for this, and now they are thrilled.

The DU cesspool is vibrant with misery and disdain.

:woohoo:

[blm]

34. Hillary is Lieberman in a skirt - she stayed on same page as Joe throughout her senate term.

She just didn't draw attention to it, letting him take all the heat while she and Bill gloried in the PERCEPTION they were the leaders of the Dem opposition (when they never really opposed Bush publicly)and talking out of both sides of their mouths, depending on the audience.

[flyarm]

38. Joe Lieberman was Obama’s Mentor in the Senate

Remember Joe Lieberman was Obama’s Mentor in the Senate

By: fflambeau Monday December 14, 2009 10:05 pm

Those who are up in arms over Sen. Joe Lieberman’s "veto" of the extension of Medicare should remember this. When Sen. Barack Obama arrived in Washington, D.C. in 2005, he selected as his mentor none other than: Joe Lieberman.

Here’s David Sirota writing about this, after discussing Obama’s stab in the back of the progressive Lamont in Connecticut and his stab in the back of the progressive Christine Cegelis (Obama backed Duckworth) way back in 2006:

snip:

Other sources, including the Hartford Courant, reported that Obama chose Lieberman as his mentor.]

http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/18929

[blm]

43. Does that nullify the fact Hillary and Lieberman stayed on the same page for her entire term?

.

[flyarm]

44. doesn't nulify a thing..but so has Obama!!!!!!! eom

[blm]

51. Obama had more differences with Lieberman than Hillary did. Obama was certainly no liberal icon

as senator, candidate or as president now, but, it's plain old ABSURD for anyone to try and pretend that Hillary would perform stronger as a leader for ANY Democratic issue. She and Bill rolled over and played dead on healthcare after the first hitback. They never resurrected it again, even in pieces - Kennedy and Kerry initiated the SCHP bill.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

6. Obama will get my vote..........if he earns it.

Right now, that looks like a long shot.

[ima_sinnic]

7. damn! Dr. Dean, I'm "in" for 2012 or whenEVER you want to run (nt)

[maglatinavi]

11. Dean

Me too!!! :bounce: :thumbsup: :kick: :loveya: :fistbump: :yourock:

[Mari333]

14. Dean is sending him a hell of a message and its long overdue

I dont know what fucking bubble the Obama admin is living in, but its a doozy.
I dont think that admin or many dems in congress have a clue about how pissed off their base is.

Its time they found out.

[xiamiam]

18. i think they know...damage control is going to be difficult if they even try..nt

[NJmaverick]

24. Guess that's to be expected when Obama didn't give him a cabinet post

[tekisui]

26. I don't think that has anything to do with. Dean has been supportive

of the WH, and a strong Democratic voice. He got past getting blocked from the Administration, took it quite graciously. But, now the WH is calling him irrelevant and trying to push him further out.

[NJmaverick]

27. Dean has been supportive? Not from what I have seen

He was gracious when he wasn't picked (although not making your desires known is a better way to go, IMO) but that doesn't mean he isn't angry or holds a grudge.

[madfloridian]

57. That was the first Dean ever criticized Obama...he has praised him always.

Maybe it took Gibbs coming out and insulting him, and the comments from the WH event saying he was irrelevant...to wake him up that Obama was behind it.

[Marr]

25. It's almost funny that they're picking a fight with Dean. As if

anyone to the left of Sean Hannity would side with Obama, Lieberman, and Emanuel against Dean.

These assholes need to figure it out, and fast. This isn't 1995, and it's plain as day what they're doing and who they're servicing.

[maglatinavi]

31. Marr

Oh where, Oh where is the move on org... I did get out to their rallies and now, what the heck do we have??? It is sooo sad! I support Dean... lets go back to the planning table and come up with a real health care reform...
:patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

[Caretha]

40. Neither will I!

[BlueIdaho]

48. That makes two of us. nt.

[Citizen Kang]

52. Why should Dean support Obama at this point?

As DNC chair, Dean got the majorities in congress that Obama now enjoys and is pissing away. Dean worked his butt off to get the Democrats to where they are and what did Obama do to thank him? Shut him out of the administration and attack him for telling the truth about this sham Health Care Reform.

I hope Dean goes one step further and forces a primary with Obama in 2012. He will have my full support.

[high density]

58. It seems to me that congress itself is the one pissing away the majority

I don't see how Obama can change the illogical thought processes of idiots like Lieberman, Nelson, or Snowe.