WOAH - China, India, & other countries LIE to the US at the Copanhagen negotiations

[debbierlus]

They lied and said their negotiators had already LEFT while they met behind Obama's back.

When Obama did show up to their meeting, he was accused of BARGING in.

This was JUST on Rachel and I will look for a video to post in the political forum and post it ASAP (if anyone else finds it before me, please go right ahead & post it.

THIS is where we really stand in the world. Christ.

[Poll_Blind]

1. I think Chavez even touched on this. We're big fuckups and they don't have to do ANYTHING for us.

Including, keeping us informed. We....REALLY...we've made ourselves irrelevant by our actions. Nothing lives forever, but I'd figured that America would've been made of stronger stuff.

PB

[Deja Q]

2. In which case the biggest fuckup was to offshore jobs to begin with.

:shrug:

Maybe Obama will stop handing out money and food and everything else to these other countries, if he will be treated like dirt by them. (this isn't Bush in office...)

[Poll_Blind]

3. We are held hostage by our debt and that has a serious influence on...

...our ability to keep companies from whoring-out this way. America is like a bygone boy-band: In the golden days it was wiping your ass with Franklins but now it's doing boat shows- if you can find someone to cover your night-shift at Denny's.

I think every goddamn newscast should start with an assessment of our war dead (and cost of war so far) and how much debt the nation is in and to whom that money is owed. Because, in my experience, if you keep track of those things all of a sudden our amazingly inept-seeming policies start making sense from the standpoint of being pressured into them by our creditors.

PB

[EFerrari]

5. The US rarely "hands out" anything without some kind of agenda

but disrespecting the president is ugly and unnecessary.

[kenny blankenship]

8. yes, it was

now get ready to be called a racist xenophobe.

However, it's done now and irreversible short of the depletion of world oil. The western elites led by Reagan, Bush and Clinton, and BushII, spreading free market neoliberalism by invasion and trade treaty, have created a World Order in which the old national economies cannot be reconstituted except through one kind of global disaster or another. Either oil crash or great power warfare. Perhaps we could get back to a time when the US made its own stuff rather than importing goods made by slave labor in the 3rd world. You and I probably wouldn't want to live through what it would take to actually bring that world back from the past at this point, no matter how more just it may seem to us.

[napoleon_in_rags]

9. You're talking like we're a unified nation state. We're not.

That's sort of the issue here, you have a lot of these countries acting as pretty unified entities (thus the term "China INC.", it acts like a single corporation ) But the US hasn't worked that way in a long time. Stopping a lot of these bad trade deals is a no-brainer from the perspective of US national interest, but that actually takes a back seat in a lot of ways to special interests. If you look at the poll numbers on many of these policies going through right now, you can see they are very unpopular, (banking bailout for instance) yet they go through anyway. This is because the majority are thinking in terms of national interest, but the more powerful players are thinking in terms of corporate interests. Its because they do so that they accumulate the wealth to exert so much influence to overwhelm public demand, but in the big picture its horribly unsustainable..At least for the United States as a country.

[EFerrari]

4. First the Chinese send a low level official to deal with Obama

and then this.

I wonder what the deal is.

[endless october]

6. we'll tell them there are no manufacturing jobs, then.

and then we'll bring the manufacturing jobs home and tariff the fuck out of non-OSHA imports.

if they want to stop buying our debt, cool.

[AndyA]

7. Really, I think that's what needs to happen.

Tax breaks for American companies when they create jobs here in America.

Anything being imported gets hit with inspection fees, and everything they tack on to the stuff we send overseas.

Fair is fair, right? When we stop buying their cheap crap and start supporting good old American companies and American workers, we'll all be better off.

[GodDamLiberal]

10. Here's a clip

First Gibbs them RM and AM talking about what happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROS2VqkTeMA

[Sultana]

11. What a bunch of bitches

[glitch]

12. Smart politicians get ahead of the parade, they don't try to stop it.

Glad to see other people moving forward on actually mitigating climate change, they are where our survival lies.

We are too moribund, mired in corruption.