I'm throwing a big party to celebrate when Obama signs the Health Care bill.

[Jackpine Radical]

Rahm says he's bringing the drinks.

[Lerkfish]

1. oh, i was gonna give you such a smack, until I got it!

:)

[RainDog]

2. oh, can't make it. I'll be sitting that one out.

just like... you know.

but Rahm makes some nasty kool-aid, from what I've seen.

[Christa]

3. Can I come too?

:evilgrin:

I was going to throw a big party when Kerry won ...

[tridim]

4. I get your point, but can you at least show a little compassion for the uninsured..

and unemployed who will finally be able to provide cheap, subsidized health care for their families?

I think the bill sucks, but it doesn't suck for a lot of desperate and sick people who have been decimated by Bush-nomics.

[flyarm]

6. the uninsured and the unemployed will be getting double fucked!

who the hell do you think most of us have been fighting for?????????

go read this..........

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7271282

[flyarm]

21. go read this........

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7271282

[Jackpine Radical]

7. Go read MadFloridian this morning.

And then go match me on pro bono therapy hours before you start talking about my lack of compassion.

[flyarm]

22. Thank you Jackpine Radical..100% correct!! also read this..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7271282

[dkf]

9. Cheap?

Family of four making $54,000 pays $9,000? Are you kidding?

[Jackpine Radical]

13. Yes, cheap.

Cheap in the sense that it will have huge deductibles and won't pay for shit. Cheap as a synonym for shoddy.

[billyoc]

10. lol @cheap

:rofl:

[laughingliberal]

14. I don't have insurance and I would qualify for Medicaid under the current proposals

Regardless, I can not, in good conscience support this bill. It's not all about me.

[tridim]

15. There are people much worse off than you and me.

That said, I'm broke and unemployed. Have been since March. Fortunately, I'm still pretty healthy.

Imagine how OP's like this look to me. They make me feel ill.

[laughingliberal]

18. Well, there's always someone worse off but my husband and I are both older with some pretty serious

health concerns and a drastic financial situation. Neither of us could survive if something happens to the other. Regardless, this bill is bad. If I thought, for one moment, the majority of Americans without health insurance right now would get real help from this I would be pushing it with all I've got. As bad as it was before King Joe dictated his terms, I was still willing to support the decidedly bad bill based on a carrot of 'fixing it later.' If they had left any scrap in there, whether PO or Medicare expansion, I would have supported it and hoped the PO or Medicare expansion could be extended over a period of time and would lead, in time, to a decent system. There is nothing to build on here. When the worst of this starts hitting the pocketbooks of the working and middle classes in 2013 it is going to be a disaster for the economy and the Democratic party. The administration, if reelected in 2012, does not have to worry. They'll be in lame duck status by then and not worried about reelection.

[flyarm]

23. what ought to make you feel ill is that we have "DEMOCRATIC " LEADERSHIP SELLING THIS PILE OF SHIT

to the American people and people are too ignorant to know they are being sold a pile of shit..and they are taking this pile of shit..and accepting it!

[tridim]

25. It's better than the status quo pile of elephant shit.

Just slightly better, but still better.

I'm looking at this from the point of view of people who are sick, poor and uninsured.

[flyarm]

27. exactly what part of this are you not getting??

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7271282


plus it will not go into effect for those sick and uninsured until 2014 unless you are a minor!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x74401

[tridim]

28. The actual numbers have already been posted here dozens of times.

I know you've seen them.

The poor and uninsured will pay much less than they would if the status quo remains, regardless of worst case scenario spin by DU-2009.

[flyarm]

29. and what part of any of them caring about the poor and unisured are you talking about..read this..

and see how much they need you or your vote or any of our money to get re-elected and tell me any of these bastards give a rats ass about the poor or unisured..this bill is by and for the insurance whores..not for the poor or uninsured!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7265413


most good lifelong dems and progressives have been working and fighting for the poor and uninsured all our lives..only to now see them totally sold out and down the river without a life raft..we have put our boots on the ground and money in their pockets to fight for real health "CARE" reform only to see democrats in office sell those same people out..but not only sell them out..but to fuck them royally!


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x74458

[tridim]

31. The insurance companies want the bill to fail

Because they want to raise your premiums without regulation.

You are fighting for them. WHY?

[flyarm]

33. BULLSHIT ..THEY MIGHT AS WELL HAVE WRITTEN THE ENTIRE BILL THEMSELVES..OH YEAH , THEY DID!

with their secret meetings with Obama and Rahm!! they fucked you..and you don't even know it!

stop the denial and start reading and educating yourself ..so you know how and why you got fucked!

oh and I am not poor and have the best health care prob in the nation..i fight for those who don't, so they can have what I have..of course I got my health insurance from union negotiations..of which my hubby was VP of our Union for 11 years..it was fought hard for and we gave up alot to get it..and lost much through strikes to get it, and it still cost me $2,600.00 A MONTH AND OUR EMPLOYERS PAY 2/3RDS OF IT A MONTH ..AT A COST OF $5,200.00 A MONTH ..FOR A GRAND TOTAL OF $7,800.00 A MONTH FOR MY HUBBY AND ME ALONE!

[flyarm]

38. Greenwald on Obama's governing style: "DLC, triangulating corporatism of the Clinton era"

Greenwald on Obama's governing style: "DLC, triangulating corporatism of the Clinton era"
Excerpt (12-17-09):

"As I've written for quite some time, I've honestly never understood how anyone could think that Obama was going to bring about some sort of "new" political approach or governing method when, as Kilgore notes, what he practices -- politically and substantively -- is the Third Way, DLC, triangulating corporatism of the Clinton era, just re-packaged with some sleeker and more updated marketing. At its core, it seeks to use government power not to regulate, but to benefit and even merge with, large corporate interests, both for political power (those corporate interests, in return, then fund the Party and its campaigns) and for policy ends. It's devoted to empowering large corporations, letting them always get what they want from government, and extracting, at best, some very modest concessions in return. This is the same point

(...)

One finds this in far more than just economic policy, and it's about more than just letting corporations do what they want. It's about affirmatively harnessing government power in order to benefit and strengthen those corporate interests and even merging government and the private sector. In the intelligence and surveillance realms, for instance, the line between government agencies and private corporations barely exists. Military policy is carried out almost as much by private contractors as by our state's armed forces. Corporate executives and lobbyists can shuffle between the public and private sectors so seamlessly because the divisions have been so eroded. Our laws are written not by elected representatives but, literally, by the largest and richest corporations. At the level of the most concentrated power, large corporate interests and government actions are basically inseparable.

The health care bill is one of the most flagrant advancements of this corporatism yet, as it bizarrely forces millions of people to buy extremely inadequate products from the private health insurance industry -- regardless of whether they want it or, worse, whether they can afford it (even with some subsidies). In other words, it uses the power of government, the force of law, to give the greatest gift imaginable to this industry

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2009/...

[flyarm]

39. Jane Hamsher's column (private corp.'s using the IRS as their collection agency)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7266030


Jane Hamsher's column (private corp.'s using the IRS as their collection agency)
She is on fire here:

>>Rahm Emanuel has convinced himself that Ron Brownstein is a "liberal" and dismisses all of this as "the progressive backlash against the progressive backlash." He's betting that any inadequacies will be forgotten come November 2010 if the Dems can claim a "w" by passing any crap bill and slapping "health care" on it. And that if Congress just spends the next year naming post offices, any objections that Americans might have to paying 8% of their incomes to private corporations who will use the IRS as their collection agency will just disappear.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/leftright-po...

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

17. i am uninsured and want the bill to crash and burn. Filling the corrupt insurance companies'

coffers by way of subsidies is a way of stealing from our treasury. Mandates are horrific.

[tridim]

19. At which point the status quo continues forever.

And premiums will continue to rise much faster than inflation.

40 million uninsured will quickly become 400 million.

[flyarm]

24. this is worse than the status quo..this is raping the American people and telling them it is good

for them! and the raper is getting the biggest bonus for doing the raping!

[tridim]

26. Not true for the poor, sick and unisured.

The status quo equates to unaffordable insurance for all, including you, me and everyone else on DU who isn't rich.

[flyarm]

32. you are not looking at what is really the bill..you are in denial of what is actually in the Senate

bill..you are in a pipe dream..the only sick that will get help are children in what is proposed right now!

no adults!

pipe dreams don't make it so!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

36. Can you please tell me what price controls they are putting in the suggested bill?

[Jamastiene]

54. Maybe then you'll know how those of us feel...

you know, the ones who are being forced to buy something we don't have the money to buy. Maybe, then you will see how wrong it is to force people who already cannot afford this to buy this. Until then, you sit in your ivory tower and pat yourself on the back while I go homeless. Thanks, but no thanks.

In this case, the status quo is better than the "cure."

[coti]

46. Same here. nt

[Jamastiene]

53. +1

[Jamastiene]

52. With compassion like that, who needs cruelty

You don't speak for me. This mandate is going to take me from poor and uninsured to homeless and hungry and still uninsured.

[flyarm]

5. what kind of Kool aide are you serving? Rahmbla red? eom

[Uben]

8. Trail mix for everyone!

...and some water.

[datasuspect]

11. THANK GOD IT PASSED!

[QC]

12. Some have gone beyond drinking their Kool-Aid and now have it on an IV drip.

That way there's no need to risk putting down the cup for a moment.

[AuntPatsy]

16. Kool aid rots your teeth...no thanks, I would rather not partake...

:beer: Here, have a beer instead, its on' me...


I am telling everyone I know, the kool aid has been spiked....

[Mari333]

20. Rahm is a gangsta.

[branders seine]

30. LOL

Drinking the Kool Aid is a mandate!

[budkin]

34. The whole thing is a goddamn travesty

[flyarm]

35. absolutely! eom

[LWolf]

37. The big question is:

Is kool-aid now a mandate?

What sort of fine will we pay if we pass?

[Jackpine Radical]

41. It's ok to pass the kool-aid

But ya gotta drink it first.

[LWolf]

43. I'm sneaking my portion to the houseplant

before I pass it. It thrives on fertilizer.

[cascadiance]

40. Oh goodie! A Rahm-per Room koolaid Tea Party!

[Wardoc]

42. LOL! Cherry for me please. And um, whatever hard liquor you might have too. (nt)

[Cowpunk]

44. K&R The picture did it. LMAO

[Synicus Maximus]

45. Sounds like a party they would have at Jonestown.

[FrenchieCat]

47. How old are you?

People die everyday based on how health care is set up today.....

People here don't give a fuck, cause they don't want to pay no-stinking $95.00 fine
for walking around without health care, and expecting tax payers to pay out of their pockets,
when he/she comes into the county hospital to fix a broken arm.

Meantime, millions will be helped through community health care centers,
while millions more will get subsidized assistance in getting health insurance.

Meanwhile the naysayers are making fun, and pointing fingers.

Grow the fuck up.....read the bill, and stop repeating bullshit just because it sounds good.
Bunch of Tools for the Right, far as I'm concerned.

[RainDog]

48. LOL. kick

56% of the American people oppose this bill.

you're a tool of the right, as far as I'm concerned.

[FrenchieCat]

49. 56% have been manipulated by our fucked up media.

Bush's approval was at 90% at one point.....
so it seems to me that 90% of the population are tools....
so you citing a fucking poll doesn't sway me.

[RainDog]

50. getting pissed off because you don't like someone's opinion doesn't sway me

knowing that the terms of the bill as they exist now do not really benefit poor people does, however.

if people cannot afford health care/health premiums, if health insurance and pharma cos have no reason to control prices because there is no option other than them, that's not good for the American people. we pay more for health care than any other western democracy. we have a shitty system and the systemic problems are not addressed in the bill as it stands.

Nelson plans to deny women equal health care under the law by letting religious bullshit defeat science and medicine.

that's a corporate give away no matter how you try to spin it. the pandering to the religious right is sick shit that no democrat should support because it's repulsive.

[IndianaGreen]

51. Too much Kool-Aid!

[Jamastiene]

55. I pay my own medical bills without insurance.

It's called Self-Pay. You, do NOT pay my medical bills. So, quit claiming you do.

[FrenchieCat]

56. This bill ain't about just you.

That's part of the problem....cause you seem to think it is only about you.
Fuck the 30 million, hey! You will do just fine cause you pay as you go,
unless something really bad happens and you can't afford it,
then What?
Do we then have to fucking pay for you....
cause that's how it works right now.

[Jamastiene]

57. You are still claiming that you somehow pay my bills.

You do not. Your attitude is one of looking down your nose at someone just because they do not have insurance. And I am supposed to believe you care about helping anyone with no insurance if you have THAT kind of attitude? And for the record, I'm not the only one out here that this bill will sink financially. Enjoy the rise in homelessness and stepping over us as you carry your shopping home.

[FrenchieCat]

58. You are telling me that this bill ain't worth anything,

and using yourself and what you do as a reason.

Please know that I came from nothing.
From an immigrant mother with $500.00 in her pocket,
and two little Black kids at her side.

I barely have insurance, and for a couple of months this year, didn't.

This bill will not sink you.

Don't think that you know me or my circumstances.
My husband and I are self employed and therefore, we don't rely on a paycheck,
nor does someone else pay part of our insurance for us; like an employer.
Kaiser sends us a bill, and we have to pay it, or we get cancelled, period.
We pay very high premiums and copay.
Point is, you are the one that doesn't give a shit about 30 million people,
not I.