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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 10:27 AM
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Vanishing honeybees mystify scientists
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=scienceNews&storyid=2007-04-22T131320Z_01_N19309466_RTRUKOC_0_US-BEES.xml&src=rss&rpc=22

Vanishing honeybees mystify scientists

By Deborah Zabarenko, Environment Correspondent

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Go to work, come home. Go to work, come home. Go to work -- and vanish without a trace.

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SMALL WORKERS IN A SUPERSIZE SOCIETY

The problem has prompted a congressional hearing, a report by the National Research Council and a National Pollinator Week set for June 24-30 in Washington, but so far no clear idea of what is causing it.

"The main hypotheses are based on the interpretation that the disappearances represent disruptions in orientation behavior and navigation," said May Berenbaum, an insect ecologist at the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign.

There have been other fluctuations in the number of honeybees, going back to the 1880s, where there were "mysterious disappearances without bodies just as we're seeing now, but never at this magnitude," Berenbaum said in a telephone interview.

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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 10:41 AM
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1. i wonder how many honey bees got lost because of that Telephone conversation's radiation
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 10:48 AM
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4. im really leaning to the GM crop theory.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 10:54 AM
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5. If it turned out to be cell phones (unlikely, I know)
just think about returning to a more civil society with no cell phone clods. People would start interacting with each other again, instead of yelling on cell phones and ignoring everyone around them. Imagine sitting through a dinner out, a movie, or a concert without hearing those damned ring tones.

Think about losing all those ugly towers.

Too good to be true.

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Vexatious Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 11:01 AM
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8. Cell phone clods in checkout lines are the worst.
I'm tired of listening to the stupid, empty conversations of dip shits standing behind me in checkout lines. You're right, too good to be true.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 11:39 AM
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12. Oh my God! Like, he said *that*? Oh my God, that's, like, so *lame*!
Such conversations drive me up the wall. But we're just a captive audience to the vapid teenager talking to the likely equally vapid teenager on the other end of the line. :eyes:
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 12:02 PM
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16. Not only that ... there are signs at MY store's checkout stands saying NO CELL PHONE USE.
And the yammerers stand RIGHT NEXT to those signs (just like the TURN OFF ALL CELL PHONES signs at the gas pumps), blabbing away. I wanna call the CELL PHONE POLICE!
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 02:04 PM
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19. cell phones and gas pumps-
busted by the mythbusters. no danger of any kind.
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 12:06 PM
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17. The other day @ the store, I watched a cellphone woman spill a huge container of berries,
Edited on Sun Apr-22-07 12:07 PM by gauguin57
... she then picked them all up (putting them back in the container -- not sure if she bought them or put them back on the shelf); went to the salad bar, made her entire salad (with croutons and dressing) -- and NEVER ONCE stopped talking into her cell phone. And she was LOUD and INANE. I wanted to ask her, "did it ever occur to you that you're having trouble balancing that salad container, and you're spilling berries all over the store, because you're HOLDING YOUR CELLPHONE TO YOUR EAR the whole time?"

Sheesh. People have become completely uncivilized.
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MazeRat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 11:04 AM
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10. So far, that "theory" is really one of the better bets...
There have been previous studies in the mid-1900's about bee's not nesting around high voltage power lines. Granted the potentials and frequencies are radically different, but we KNOW they don't like electro-magnetic radiation. Also, IIRC, the largest concentrations of CDD are in the areas of highest population densities. Hummm....


MZr7


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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 11:39 AM
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13. just my bland humor...
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 02:06 PM
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20. hey, cell phones free moms.
that is just a fact. being able to keep in touch with what is happening with your kids is bringing a lot of freedom and peace of mind to a lot of parents. lots.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 02:07 PM
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21. Why "unlikely"? Bees' navigation systems might just be a tad more fragile than airplanes'.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 02:08 PM
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22. Do you really think we would?
First, we're a selfish people. We wouldn't give up a luxurious convenience for a honeybee (some of us would, but the vast majority of us, I would venture, would not).

Secondly, it would be political suicide for any legislator who proposed the idea of banning cell phones (because of the No. 1 I just pointed out).

As someone who didn't get her first cell phone until about four/five years ago, I agree that it would be wonderful to return to a more civil society and to drop the towers, but, alas, reality dictates otherwise. :(
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 10:43 AM
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2. knr
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 10:47 AM
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3. K & R n/t
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 10:55 AM
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6. On a positive note, we have a wild bee swarm living close by...
Edited on Sun Apr-22-07 11:05 AM by JCMach1
a spring swarm landed on the neem trees about two weeks ago... They obviously took up permanent residence close by... Roof of my villa??? Any way, they are now completely pollinating everything in sight in my walled garden.

The Arabian bees are VERY docile... even compared to U.S. bees. They just don't seem interested in humans as at all and there are HUNDREDS in my garden on every bush.

Maybe someone should come here to search for a little genetic diversity...
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 11:01 AM
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7. What causes CCD?
Edited on Sun Apr-22-07 11:03 AM by Jcrowley
What causes CCD?

The "cause" of CCD is under investigation. To be sure, the hysteria
surrounding CCD has outpaced the science. Beekeepers and investigators have
suggested varroa, inadequate rainfall, proximity to power lines, colony
treatments, moving stresses, genetically modified crops, lack of genetic
diversity, inadequate nutrition and chemicals present in the environment,
just to name a few, as possible causes of CCD. At this point, almost every
conceivable and realistic cause remains a possibility. The leading
candidates and a brief explanation of their potential role are listed below.



1. Traditional bee pests and diseases (including American foulbrood,
European foulbrood, chalkbrood, nosema, small hive beetles, and tracheal
mites): These bee maladies likely are not responsible for CCD because
they do not have a history of causing CCD-like symptoms. That said,
traditional bee pests and diseases may exacerbate CCD. With that in mind,
scientists have not abandoned experiments investigating these candidates.

2. Style of feeding bees and type of bee food: The style of feeding
bees and types of bee food used to feed bees vary considerably among
beekeepers reporting CCD losses. As such, no correlation has been found
between what colonies were fed and their likelihood of survival. Despite
this lack of evidence, many beekeepers have abandoned the practice of
feeding high fructose corn syrup to bees due to indications that it can form
byproducts that are harmful to bees.

3. How the bees were managed: Management style is a broad category
but it can include the type of income pursued with bees (honey production,
pollination services, etc.) or what routine colony management beekeepers
perform (splitting hives, swarm control, chemical use, etc.). As you can
imagine, both of these vary considerably among beekeepers so this possible
cause of CCD is given less attention. That said, poor management can make
any colony malady worse.

4. Queen source: Initial investigations considering queen source as
a cause of CCD have turned up no evidence that the disorder is tied to queen
production. Yet, scientists are investigating the lack of genetic diversity
and lineage of bees, both related to queen quality, as possible causes of
CCD. Regarding the former, it has been said that fewer than 500 breeder
queens produce the millions of queen bees (and therefore all bees) used
throughout the U.S. Geneticists refer to this as a genetic bottle
neck. This lack of genetic biodiversity has, in effect, made U.S.
honey bees a virtual monoculture. Monocultures usually are susceptible to
any pest/disease that invades the system. Honey bees are no exception.

5. Chemical use in bee colonies: Without doubt, the beekeeping
industry is overly-dependent on chemical pesticides and antibiotics used to
treat various bee-related maladies. Overuse and misuse of these chemicals
(including insecticides, vitamins, snake oils, etc.) is rampant. In many
cases, the pesticides used to control varroa
mite<http://creatures.ifas.ufl.edu/misc/bees/varroa_mite.htm >and small
hive beetles<http://creatures.ifas.ufl.edu/misc/bees/small_hive_beetle.htm>(just
to name two examples) double as insecticides in other pest management
schemes. Putting insecticides into insect colonies cannot be beneficial to
bees, even if the chemicals are not killing the bees outright. A number of
newly-discovered, sub-lethal effects of these chemicals on honey bees
(workers, queens, and drones) should be given stronger consideration as
possible causes of CCD.

6. Chemical toxins in the environment: A popular theory is that
chemical toxins in the environment are responsible for CCD. In many
instances, the beekeepers reporting colony losses manage large migratory
beekeeping operations. In migratory operations, beekeepers move bees from
blooming crop to blooming crop around the country. Because pesticides are
used widely in cropping systems in an effort to kill herbivorous insects,
one is left to consider the potential for non-target chemical effects on
bees. In addition to being exposed to chemicals while foraging on our
nation's crops, honey bees also may acquire chemicals through contaminated
water sources as they drink water containing chemical runoff. Conceivably,
these chemical residues can accumulate in wax and food stores in the colony,
thus killing bees.

7. Genetically modified crops: A number of people have blamed
genetically modified crops for the widespread bee deaths. Scientists have
begun initial investigations into this theory but all available data suggest
that genetically modified crops are not the culprit, at least as far as the
plants themselves are concerned. Interestingly, many seeds from which
genetically modified crops are grown are dipped first in systemic
insecticides that later appear in the plants' nectar and pollen. This makes
genetically modified plants suspect because of their chemical treatment
history, not because they are genetically modified.

8. Varroa mites and associated pathogens: Even with the hysteria
surrounding CCD, varroa
mite<http://creatures.ifas.ufl.edu/misc/bees/varroa_mite.htm >remains
the world's most prolific honey bee killers. Not surprisingly,
varroa and the viruses they transmit have been considered as possible causes
of CCD. The primary flaw with this theory is that varroa have been in the
U.S. only since 1987. Therefore, it is impossible for varroa to have
caused the CCD-like outbreaks that occurred prior to 1987. A final point
worth considering in the varroa/CCD issue is that many of the chemicals used
in bee colonies are used to control varroa. So varroa (perhaps not directly)
has been considered a leading candidate because the mite itself is damaging,
it transmits viruses to bees, and it elicits an all-out chemical assault
from beekeepers.

9. Nutritional fitness: Scientists have proposed nutritional fitness
of adult bees as a potential cause of CCD. This topic is being investigated
although little information exists currently to suggest nutrition is playing
a role. Malnutrition is a stress to bees, possibly weakening the bees'
immune system. This could have devastating effects on the bees' ability to
fight pests and diseases.

10. *Undiscovered/new pests and diseases: Finally, undiscovered or
unidentified pests/pathogens are considered a possible cause of CCD. Many of
the known bee pests and diseases in the U.S. were introduced in the
last 30 years. We can expect this trend to continue as globalization
increases. This is already happening. For example, *Nosema apis* (a
protozoa that lives in the digestive tract of honey bees) has been present
in the U.S. for many years. In 2006, scientists discovered and
identified a new nosema species, *Nosema ceranae*, present in some
colonies displaying symptoms of CCD (it also has been found in bee samples
dating back to 1995). When this disease is present in bees in elevated
levels, the bees wander from colonies, never to return. Although many do not
consider *N. ceranae* to be the cause of CCD, it and other new
pathogens may play an important role in elevated bee deaths.

Many scientists believe that CCD is caused by a combination of the factors
above. To illustrate this point, some dead bees showing symptoms of CCD have
had high numbers of normally-benign pathogens in their bodies. The data
suggest a massive immune system crash in infected bees, an event that allows
normally-benign pathogens to kill the bees. In theory, any stress or
combination of stresses (chemicals, genetic bottlenecks, varroa, etc.) can
suppress a bee's immune system. Considering synergistic effects as a
potential cause of CCD makes the disorder increasingly harder to study, but
for now, this conclusion seems to be the safest assumption.

I posted this last week. It was from a friend. Can't find the link but this is from my e-mail.
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 02:17 PM
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23. Good info
Your last paragraph speaks volumes. Dr. Martin Pall, biochemistry professor at WSU has a book coming out that examines some of the effects of all those stressors in humans, particularly the release of excess nitric oxide and peroxynitrite. He details the many triggers of this that include neurotransmitters, enzymes and other pathways.

We live in a world where there are just too many of these stressors and there is no escape. Some are starting to realize a life in constant biochemical stress reactions in the body from not only bacteria and viruses but toxic chemical assaults, physical trauma, acute mental stress and other immune challenges.

The synergistic effect will be OUR undoing. Our system is set up to recognize the effects of one and one only stressor as cause of illness and death.
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 11:03 AM
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9. We need to work to save the bees
as hard as they work for us. Of course, many children will say they would rather starve than give up text messaging.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 11:09 AM
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11. This event could lead to a catastrophic interruption in the food chain.........
Edited on Sun Apr-22-07 11:10 AM by Double T
for many living creatures; as usual 'man' tinkering with nature to squeeze every last greedy penny out of everything is most likely the cause for the failing bee populations. When will 'WE' ever wakeup and get smart???

http://www.hcn.org/servlets/hcn.Article?article_id=16891&gclid=COjjmOLZ1osCFQvXgAodUDt9VA
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 11:48 AM
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14. Einstein said
without bees, humanity would only survive four years. Saw that somewhere this week while reading about this situation. Scary but not surprising.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 11:53 AM
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15. The geographic magnitude of this disaster cannot be overstated...
THis is being reported in countries all over the world.

Delay in identifying the problem and coming up with a plan to remedy it will increase the effects exponentially.

This requires a massive coordinated response since it means unchecked reductions in the world's food supply.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 02:30 PM
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24. The Agriculture department has a conference finally
they are recognizing it is a problem that NOW they have to recognize

Its all across the world
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 12:23 PM
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18. First the frogs, now the bees
Edited on Sun Apr-22-07 12:31 PM by FloridaJudy
http://www.aquarium.org/disappearingfrogs/corepage.htm

How many warnings does mother nature need to send before we get the message "You people have totally screwed up"?

(edited to add link)
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 02:42 PM
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25. And the fish.....
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Egalitarian Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-22-07 02:46 PM
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26. Organically raised bees doing fine/factory farmed bees dying...
according to this e-mail I received from a friend:


"I'm an organic beekeeper.

Two things here. One, we would not be so dependent on commercial
non-native factory farmed honey bees if we were not killing
off native pollinators. Organic agriculture does not use chemicals
or crops toxic to bees and, done properly, preserves wildlife
habitat in the vicinity, recognizing the intimate relationship
between cultivated fields and natural areas.

Two, factory farmed honey bees are more susceptible to stress from
environmental sources than organic or feral honey bees. I know alot
of people think beekeeping is all natural but in commercial
operations the bees are treated just like livestock on factory farms.

I'm on an organic beekeeping list list of about 1,000 people,
mostly Americans, and no one in the organic beekeeping world,
including commercial beekeepers, is reporting colony collapse on
this list.
The problem with the big commercial guys is that they
put pesticides in their hives to fumigate for varroa mites and they
feed antibiotics to the bees. They also haul the hives by truck
all over the place to make more money with pollination services
which stresses the colonies.

Bees have been bred for the past 100 years to be much larger than
they would be if left to their own devices. If you find a feral
honeybee colony in a tree, for example, the cells they lay eggs in
are about 4.9 mm wide. This is the size they want to build, the natural size.

The foundation wax that beekeepers buy have cells that are 5.4 mm
wide so eggs laid in these cells produce much bigger bees. It's the
same factory farm mentality we've used to produce other livestock -
bigger is better. But the bigger bees, for a lot of easy to
understand reasons, do not fare as well as natural sized bees. It's
now possible to buy foundation with these smaller sized cells but
most beekeepers in Canada don't have a clue, or aren't willing to
put the effort into going organic this way. Certified organic
honey, as in the President's Choice brand, still allows chemicals to
be put in the hive.

So the factory farm aspects of beekeeping, combined with all sorts
of negative environmental factors, puts enough stress on the
colonies that they are more susceptible to dying out."


More info on this:

Organic Beekeeper list
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Organicbeekeepers/

Michael Bush's site:
http://www.bushfarms.com/bees.htm

Also BeeSource:
http://www.beesource.com/pov/lusby/index.htm

________________________________
Hope this info is helpful,
Egalitarian
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