So what did y'all THINK was gonna happen?

[PCIntern]

So nearly 48 MILLION posts later, with a good portion of them decrying the depths of the American Corporatocracy, with the obvious ownership of the Congress by the Big-Money interests, and they, of course in turn, are owned by the BIGGEST of Big-money interests, the names of whom carry such anonymity that I daresay that not one person in one hundred thousand would recognize them, my friends here at DU are at all surprised that a non-Populist (to be polite) HCR bill would be proffered, 'fought-over", and then passed on a snowy weekend just before Christmas, thus giving a "present" to the masses?

And so in keeping with the longest multiple-clause (Santa Claus' Sister) sentence which I have ever written here, I want to take this opportunity to wish all of America, "GOOD LUCK"...there are so many trillions of dollars involved that it is literally impossible to count how many ways this loot will all be divided, and that the proceeds from this are going to make many individuals transcendentally wealthier and a proportionately relatively few individuals healthier.


These folks have known EXACTLY what is going on from the beginning. You could have scripted this any number of ways, but what the American People are gong to take from this is that things will be 'fairer', they will be less prone to being shut out by the insurers, and that they will save money or, if HC is a benefit, that they will earn more in the long run due to the nature of their salary packages. This was all a PR trip for all these Senators, for the Companies, for the Executive Branch, and for the Biggest Money Boys (and Girls...oops, I mean, Ladies). The profit margins of the companies will soon begin to resemble those of the oil companies during the ultra-excessive-price-gouging era (as opposed to the present excessive-price-gouging era) and the relative Health of the population will resemble the fly-ridden squirrel crushed on the country road in the heat of summer

[Mari333]

1. The present they handed the US public should come with

a good supply of KY jelly.

[PCIntern]

2. I tried to keep it relatively clean...

despite my usual tendencies...

[Greyhound]

3. K&R. This is exactly what I expected. n/t

[JFN1]

4. On Oct. 28th, I wrote:

EVERYTHING - and I do mean everything - our government is doing today, ultimately works exclusively towards the interests of these few.

IF THIS WERE NOT TRUE, the health care debate, would sound quite different. Our leaders would be abhorred.

But are they abhorred? Or are they debating, and stalling, and endlessly discussing? Are they hedging, and pontificating, and making excuses? Are they bolstering, or compromising/watering down/eliminating? What will we eventually see out of all of this sound, and fury?

A watered down bill that has an impressive sounding name - that ultimately will signify NOTHING to that poor woman who came into my wife's store this day. It will mean nothing to her. And it will mean nothing to millions of our neighbors, families, and friends, who continue to suffer under the status quo. We'll continue to be...disposable.

But not everyone will go away unhappy - those few, those powerful, those wealthy indispensables - well, they'll be happy...link

I expected nothing more than what we are being presented with...which looks nothing like actual reform...

[PCIntern]

5. ...and you are a genius...

Well written...

:hi:

[Subdivisions]

6. I knew what was going to happen. Hence the absense of myself

from the general debate on this issue on this forum. I knew debating it was going to be a waste of time right from the very start. So, I didn't. The corporations were going to get what they wanted all along.

[PCIntern]

9. Agreed...

I didn't post on this subject at all....firstly, I didn't want to incur the wrath of others here for little or no reason since this is an incendiary subject, and secondly, as a "Provider", I know Ed Zachary what these Companies are up to. It just wasn't worth it...

Just remember, each of us is unique, just like everybody else...

[Subdivisions]

10. Well, I may not be a long-time veteran to political activism, but the one thing I do know

is that the system doesn't cater to We the People. It caters to They the Corporate Personhood.

[PCIntern]

22. ..so said Ike...

and others thereafter...

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

7. I long for the good old days of the Teapot Dome scandal...

...when government was pure and free of nefarious influences.

[branders seine]

8. More real stimulus, less bank giveaways

Actual withdrawal from Iraq

elimination of the most egregious civil liberty abuses of the bush era

much more substantial work on environmental, green and renewable energy issues

much smaller troop escalation in Afghanistan, oriented toward solving the problems there instead of worsening them

a public option (although we didn't know that was the name for it until this Spring) and universal coverage


for starters.

We got none of these. indeed we've gone backward, not forward, on most of these issues. I was sad earlier, now I'm pissed again.

[PCIntern]

11. oh...and just one more thing...

Virtually none of the people involved here in this business really give a tinker's dam about anyone's health but their own and in some (but not all) cases, their families'. This is fiscal pure and simple. the term "Health" is a euphemism for "Money" do not think for one second that it's anything but.

Like the Phillies' trade of Cliff Lee for no one in particular to Seattle, it's has nothing to do with baseball fans and their desires and everything to do with money. Period.

[efhmc]

12. Hope springs eternal. Which is probably why we keep trying to be

heard.

[Laelth]

13. Sadly, I suspect the bill will pass, but I hope it doesn't.

I hope Obama refuses to sign it, as he has promised he would, if it lacks a public option.

I hope the Progressive Caucus votes against it if it lacks a "robust" public option, as they promised they would do.

If neither of these entities does what they said they would do, then I am truly unrepresented in the Federal Government (despite the fact that they're Democrats).

This all makes me very sad.

:dem:

-Laelth

[JFN1]

15. This bill WILL pass - without question

It has something for everyone - if "everyone" is defined as, "rich conservative Republican."

But don't doubt for a second that this bill's passage is a foregone conclusion. The "true" Americans - Congress, the wealthy/corporatists - will never let it die.

Never.

[PCIntern]

16. This was it's Destiny...

from the beginning...make no mistake...

[EFerrari]

14. Pretty much this.

[Name removed]

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[Scruffy1]

18. Great post

One of the reasons I hardly ever post is that the members here take the words right out of my mouth.
If you elect capitalists you will get a capitalist answer. I will never vote for another Democrat. I made the same mistake in 1968 believing that something was better than nothing. Forty years of beating my head against the wall has even convinced this old Finlander. Reform is not possible under capitalism.
Any gains made by the working class are temporary and elusive. The next generation needs to learn from our mistakes and organize a new socialist party. And the next ahole that tries the fear tactic that a Repub would be worse gets the ole knuckle sandwich from an old Red.

[Political Heretic]

19. DU drove off or banned many of its most honest leftist voices, who now say "I told you so" from afar

Maybe, seeing as how people like leftchick were dead right all along, they should be welcomed back.

:shrug:

[omega minimo]

20. So, what's yer point?

HERE, HERE!! :yourock: :applause: MIGHTILY DONE AND SUBTLE TOO!!

[Uncle Joe]

21. Kicked and recommended for the message and the use of multiple clause sentences.

Thanks for the thread, PCIntern.:thumbsup: