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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:40 PM
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Want free health care for America?
remove the tax-exempt status from the churches. Turn their tax contributions into health-care dollars for those in need. If they truly claim to be Christian they will be O.K. with this notion; after all charity should begin with the church right? My guess is with this proposal you will see a lot less political preaching.
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StarfarerBill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:43 PM
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1. Works for me.
At least tax the bigger, for-profit churches.
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:45 PM
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3. You would be
hard pressed to find a "not for profit" church. We will never know because a number of them were recently investigated and refused to open their books. can you imagine the income from property taxes alone in Salt Lake City?
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StarfarerBill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 10:03 PM
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10. I've not been to a church as a believer since I was a child;
but I do know many smaller ones struggle. As an atheist I have no problem in getting as much as possible in taxes out of big churches, but I'd still leave the smaller ones alone.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:44 PM
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2. I don't disagree, but it won't happen /nt
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:47 PM
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4. I agree with you but
wouldn't it be entertaining to watch "Christians" defend not helping the needy though tax contributions?
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:51 PM
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5. Yes it would, since much of these "Christians" in my view are pseduo-Christians /nt
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:51 PM
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6. no, i don't. and i'd NEVER expect it.
i want universal single-payer coverage for all.

and brother- that AIN'T 'free'.
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LastNaturalist Donating Member (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:51 PM
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7. I love it. However humans will grow wings before that happens.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:53 PM
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8. The notion that Democrats want or expect "free health care"
is a Republican talking point.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 10:00 PM
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9. Yep. Just want to pay what it actually costs.
Easy.
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Loudmxr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 11:52 PM
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11. NIce Platitude but that is not the issue. They abuse the 501c3 tax status.
They cry "separation of church and state" when it has nothing to do with it. It is tax status of a non profit charitable corporation plain and simple. If they abuse it they lose it and no old god young god or pigeon god is going to save them.

Its a business. Investigate them. They can pray in a taxi cab for all I care.

Mind you if they abide by the law more power to them. "And may God blessss"-Red Skelton
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 11:57 PM
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12. Uh, we're not all giant megachurches
The church I attended in Portland had 150 members and yet managed to provide three meals a week for the poor: Tuesday lunch and Saturday and Sunday breakfast.

The economy is really hurting most liberal churches: The members have less money to give, but there is more demand for their charitable work.
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 01:39 AM
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13. the size of the
church wasn't my point. If the church preaches politics from the pulpit then they are all taxable. Even if they take in only 1 dollar a week.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 01:41 AM
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14. could easily be used against "peace & justice" churches, though.
i.e. one of the backbones of what's left of "the left".
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 01:48 AM
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16. if we don't
allow it for the right then we just as equally condemn it when left leaning churches do it.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 01:42 AM
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15. And most do NOT preach politics
Most mainline clergy are quite scrupulous about that.
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