Wait for it... Global Weather Change Denial

[nadinbrzezinski]

No matter that extreme weather (yes that includes winter storms) is part of the science. Since we have the worst winter storm...

Hey at least most Americans do not know that Europe is in the grip of a storm as well (over 100 dead in Poland for example and the Eurotrain is not running, thank real news BBC)... or that we are freezing our kisters in Mexico City right now.

Just wait for it...

There is NO global warning, didn't you see the damn snow?

:sarcasm:

[BrklynLiberal]

1. It has already started....

Ignorance is bliss, I guess.
They have no concept about how warming in one area can cause cooling in another...after all, the earth is flat isn't it?
:crazy:

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. Yes the Earth is flat... I swear

:-)

Now if the Atlantic Conveyor Belt stops working... Europe's worst winters will look like a walk in the park... but that will be proof no global weather change.

[Morning Dew]

10. Amen to that -

Safer to say global climate change than global warming.

Some scientists worry that melting Arctic sea ice will dump enough freshwater into the North Atlantic to interfere with sea currents. Some freshwater would come from the ice-melt itself, but the main contributor would be increased rain and snow in the region. Retreating ice cover exposes more of the ocean surface, allowing more moisture to evaporate into the atmosphere and leading to more precipitation.

Because saltwater is denser and heavier than freshwater, this "freshening" of the North Atlantic would make the surface layers more buoyant. That's a problem because the surface water needs to sink to drive a primary ocean circulation pattern known as the "Great Ocean Conveyor." Sunken water flows south along the ocean floor toward the equator, while warm surface waters from tropical latitudes flow north to replace the water that sank, thus keeping the Conveyor slowly chugging along. An increase in freshwater could prevent this sinking of North Atlantic surface waters, slowing or stopping this circulation.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/05mar_arctic.htm

[FarCenter]

6. How does warming in one area cause cooling in another?

Explain why this is not a violation of the second law of thermodynamics.

[dbonds]

9. Use a car engine for example.

When things are stable there isn't much oscillation in RPM in steady state. Now get the engine out of tune and the RMPs will be Oscillating way up and way down. The weather is now out of tune and it is looking for a new steady state - all the while we are making it more out of tune. It will take a very very long time to find the new steady state. During that time the earth will have very hot weather and very cold weather. But the engine can break by melting so much glacier fresh water that it stops the ocean currents that bring warm weather up to Europe (The Atlantic Conveyor Belt) and that will cause Europe to go into an ice age.

[FarCenter]

11. There probably isn't enough fresh water to stop the North Atlantic deep water formation

The Younger Dryas example is thought to have been the result of the breaking of a glacial ice dam and the release of very large amounts of already liquid fresh water all at once. There is not a similar source of liquid fresh water in the Arctic. Greenland would have enough, but that melts only fairly slowly.

That said, we don't understand exactly what triggers the change from the present warm interstadial state to the more normal stadial state characterized by the formation of continental glaciers in North America and Eurasia.

The safest course would be to inject enough carbon into the atmosphere to achieva about a 5 degrees Kelvin rise in global temperature, which would put global temperatures back to the levels of the Pliocene, prior to the glacial period.

[BrklynLiberal]

17. It seems that there are scientists who disagree with you..

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2004/05mar_arctic.htm

[FLAprogressive]

2. one of our local meteorologists is like that -- if it's cold somewhere, no global warming

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Ah those folks should know better

I fear readying the paper tomorrow morning though. It is so cold people will DIE tonight.

[treestar]

5. They always do that

The local weather is cold one month and there is no climate change.

An unusually warm winter for the area - crickets or claims that there are always swings in climate.

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. I know at this point we all have one choice

POINTING and laughter.

[FarCenter]

7. Arctic-like cold snap wreaks havoc across parts of Europe

http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,5041076,00.html


Temperatures in parts of Germany fell to below minus 33 degrees Celsius (-27 degrees Farenheit) overnight, as parts of Western and Northern Europe from Portugal in the south to Poland in the east were hit by heavy snowfall.

In Eastern Europe, snow as deep as 2.5 meters has been reported, while temperatures in Mediterranean regions such as Spain dropped to around minus 20 degrees (-4 degrees F) overnight.

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2.5 meters of snow is about 8 feet!

[lib2DaBone]

12. Carbon Tax Credits... better than gold...Goldman Sacs will be there..

..and we thought Enron was disgusting? ....ha ha ha ha ah

[lynne]

13. If this storm were unusual, it would be one thing, but it's not -

- I've lived through quite a few 2 foot snowstorms in VA in my lifetime. Can't speak for what's going on in Europe but this storm isn't "extreme" for my area. We get a 2-footer about every 10 years and were overdue.

[timeforpeace]

14. We all know that hot weather is global warming and cold weather is global warming.

[uppityperson]

15. Euro forecast map (link)....

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/forecast/international/europe-temps-index.htm

[Odin2005]

16. I ran into that dumbfuckery yesterday.

Some idiot told me "if there is global warming why is it so fucking cold?" and I go "This is FARGO you dimwit, GW isn't going to cancel winter".