60 votes... now what happens? n/t

[ORDagnabbit]

[SharonAnn]

1. Next vote is Tuesday 7 am.

[lapfog_1]

2. They now have to vote on adopting the managers amendment

50 votes needed.

Then they have to vote on cloture for the entire bill - 60 votes needed.

Then they have to vote on adopting the bill - 50 votes

The bill goes to conference... the bill comes back from conference "merged" with the House bill.

Then 60 votes needed to break the filibuster.

Then 50 votes needed to adopt the bill.

Then it goes to the President for his signature.

Then we all get to write enormous checks to the Health Insurance companies, and hope and pray that we get to see a doctor sometime.

[still_one]

3. Thanks. What an excellent description. I hope all the Democrat and independents stay well /nt

[Skip Intro]

4. You just killed my Christmas buzz.

:(

[Frances]

6. Thanks for such a clear explanation

[BP2]

8. Yea - Big Pharma and Big Insurance

WIN!!!

[dorktv]

11. Have to start somewhere...even if it makes us turn green and need the doctor.

[lapfog_1]

16. Well, I happen to think the bill heads us in the wrong direction.

The two directions being

1) more corporate control of the Health Care Industry

or

2) less corporate control (which could either be government control, true competition, more regulation, cost containment, OR non-profits).

There is nothing in the Senate bill that provides for any of the things listed in #2, and a lot that goes to #1.

That, to me, is steps in the wrong direction.

But it says "Health Care Reform" in the title... so it must be Health Care Reform.

Sort of like W's "Clear Skies" Legislation that actually allowed MORE pollution.

[dorktv]

18. Well...if Clinton was President I would say things would be fixed later on

but who knows with the current guy-However it was passed and that is all people will remember ten months from now.

[Hannah Bell]

26. not when they get the bill. they'll remember the democrats did it.

[RoyGBiv]

12. Have the conference members been chosen yet?

Nelson is going to be the thorn in everyone's side when it comes to the conference report, I suspect.

[lapfog_1]

13. Not that I've heard, and I've been searching for rumors...

so far, nada.

[Ildem09]

15. its generally

the committee chairs and leadership. or people that have a huge part in the bill

[lapfog_1]

17. Yes, but this bill (on the Senate side) came from Harry Reid.

And I will just HATE it if he names Ben Nelson (a committee chair, and all-around asshole).

[RoyGBiv]

20. This is what I'm worried about ...

Because he is such a prickly thorn, I fear he'll be put on the committee so that the conference report is formed with his direct input.

My nightmare scenario has Baucus, Lieberman, and Nelson with Reid trying to herd them.

Of course much of this may hinge on how forceful Pelosi intends to be. The House will generally defer to the Senate version with close-calls like this one, especially if the House margin where they don't have to deal with a filibuster threat has any room at all for maneuver. But she's at least hinted she's not just going to raise a white flag.

I suspect Reid and Pelosi are already discussing this behind the scenes. So, I guess we'll see what we see.

[ThomWV]

31. You left out a rather large part of the process

Concurrently in the House there will be a timed debate and then a vote, majority required, for passage.

Both bills pass, the House and Senate, without so much as a comma of difference, then it goes to the President.

[kirby]

32. See this...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7288136&mesg_id=7288394

[thereismore]

33. You could also see this as an incentive to create more doctors ... a stimulus of sorts. nt

[LSK]

5. the actual vote which only needs 51

Then reconciliation with the House bill

Then that has to pass the House and Senate again - I heard Tom Harkin say it would need 60 votes again.

[still_one]

7. They really need to simplify this process /nt

[lapfog_1]

9. They have another Cloture vote Christmas eve

to close debate on the entire bill.

And then yet another to break the filibuster after the bill comes back from conference.

As for the "adopting" votes, they only need 50 Senators voting to adopt.

Biden can break ties.

[laughingliberal]

10. yes but it will be, in essence, a formality

the House seems prepared to rubber stamp this debacle. Have no idea how the WH managed it cause I don't think the House got a damned thing they wanted out of it.

[ChangeYouCanBelieve]

21. Why do liberals/progressives always cave?

I am serious. I do not understand it. If you always cave, then no one will take you seriously. Where was/is Sanders/Burris/Feingold? Have they all caved already? Has all the House progressives caved? They say the bill has to have X, then "Oh no that "Immovable Object" Lieberman/Nelson/etc" doesn't like it, we have to cave and do it fast before the (arbitrary) deadline. If you promised Obama that you would vote for X, but then they changed it to Y, then the contract is violated and the "agreement" is null and void. Okay most of the politicians are corrupt, etc. but isn't there a single one with integrity and guts, that won't cave after they make some stated vow? I guess I am just a hothead that just can't relate to politician mental processes.

[laughingliberal]

22. Sanders, Burris, Feingold have all caved. Sanders got a deal to help his state out of it

I believe Feingold got something he thought would be good for Wisconsin. He's pissed but he'll vote for it. Burris, who knows? He made a little noise but just for a minute.

The House is who I don't get. The progressive caucus has gotten nothing but beat to shit by Rahm Emanuel and they are, likely, to pass the bill the Senate just wrote which costs more money and gives us less help.

None of them wants to defeat the signature legislation of a President of their party but the problem is the legislation may defeat him. The worst parts of it will not kick in til after his campaign in 2012 but that doesn't mean people won't get wise to it before then.

[cali]

25. No, Sanders did not get a good deal to help out VT. He got a good

deal to help out Americans- namely 10 billion for CHCx. I love how DUers don't know what they're talking about half the frickin' time.

Oh, and Sanders doesn't have a President of his party.

[laughingliberal]

30. He does caucus with the Democrats so it is, perhaps, not technically of his party

but it is as close to a president of his party as he is likely to see. I am happy to see he got some deal out of it that actually will help people. It still doesn't make the bill an, overall, positive and I understand, very well, that they are all going to vote for it. Even the best of them must, at times, bend to the political reality and pressure.

[TorchTheWitch]

23. to save their careers

You understand arm twisting? When one faction within a party has control they threaten the other factions to go along by threatening to not back them with party money for reelection/run someone they like better in a primary against them, strip them of chairmanships or otherwise shut them out. It comes down to going along or having their career destroyed.

Same thing happened with Repubs... there are probably still a few that believe in smaller government and low deficits but the loonies in the Repub party threatened them so they went along with the loonies abandoning their party's platform of fiscal responsibility. Neither party is representative of what they're ideology is.

The government has become a free for all of greedy nutters bent on destroying democracy and pushing the country back to the times of 99% starving serfs and 1% grossly wealthy. By this time any politicians with any real ideology have been filtered out. It's only been more recently that they've not even bothered to hide the corruption anymore. With the media firmly on their side, they need not worry about any backlash from the people because the media either won't tell the people or they'll lie. Even grotesque scandelous behavior that IS reported no longer matters. They have long since lost the fear of the people that used to keep them from going too far too fast and being so blatant.

[ChangeYouCanBelieve]

24. If I was a Congressman/Senator, I think they would

have to strap me into the seat in a straight jacket and gag me as I would be quickly driven insane by this system. What ever happened to "serving your country" and a "take this job and shove it" ethic.

[Ildem09]

14. Conference will produce Senate Bill part II electric boogaloo

since the margin of error in the senate non existent. the house is going to have to capitulate on damn near everything. they may get something like anti-trust exemptions revoked but nothing that earth shattering some vague promises of coming back to it soon to improve

[BP2]

19. So the BIG question for tomorrow morning is

Do we buy Aetna or Pfizer stock?

Both seem to be making out like bandits under the bill the Senate voted for this wee morning.

We might as sell out like the rest of them.

[Hannah Bell]

27. you're too late. the smart money got in much earlier, to sell to the rubes.

they had advance notice.

[girl gone mad]

28. 30 million new captive customers..

Permanent government subsidies, no cost controls and guaranteed profits.

I think the rally will go on a bit longer.

[BP2]

29. Well, it's (sadly) refreshing to see that others here notice that

We've been played this whole time. Ha Ha, the joke's on us.

Any hope that the bill will be Magickally repaired in the Reconciliation or Amendment process is highly delusional.

That's why Obama needs to fixed this now, before the train leaves the station.

[TheWatcher]

34. The country goes into serfdom for the Insurance countries.

And many misguided rubes at DU will cheer for it and tell us it's good, and enjoy their Pyhrric victory.

Until they find out the joke is on them.

But they'll still feel good and cheerlead even after that, probably.

Huxley was a Prophet.