DANNY GLOVER: I See NO Difference Between BUSH And OBAMA Policies

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Danny Glover, Jesse Jackson, and other activists talk to Lloyd Grove about disappointment in the African-American community with the president’s first year.


Danny Glover heaved a sigh when I asked him recently what he thought of President Obama’s performance so far.


It wasn’t a sigh of relief.


“I think the Obama administration has followed the same playbook, to a large extent, almost verbatim, as the Bush administration. I don’t see anything different,” the activist movie actor said of Obama’s policies in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Middle East. “On the domestic side, look here: What’s so clear is that this country from the outset is projecting the interests of wealth and property. Look at the bailout of Wall Street. Why not the bailout of Main Street?”


“He may be just a different face, and that face may happen to be black—and if it were Hillary Clinton, it would happen to be a woman,” says Danny Glover. “But what choices do they have within the structure?”


More in sorrow than in anger, Glover went on: “What choice does he have—in four years, eight years? Let’s just call a spade a spade. Really. There are no choices out there. He may be just a different face, and that face may happen to be black—and if it were Hillary Clinton, it would happen to be a woman—but what choices do they have within the structure?”


Glover is among a growing chorus of African-American opinion leaders who are publicly and privately expressing varying degrees of resignation, disappointment, and outright anger concerning a presidency on which so many hopes have ridden. Who can forget the iconic image of the tear-streaked Rev. Jesse Jackson—who in 1984 and 1988 waged formidable campaigns of his own for the Democratic presidential nomination—as he stood overcome with emotion amid the jubilant crowd at Chicago’s Grant Park as Obama gave his victory speech?


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[ixion]

1. Aside from some branding, I don't either

we're still getting screwed, and the Constitution is still in the toilet.

[timeforpeace]

131. Ouch, this is gonna sting a lot. Bout time.

[TheEuclideanOne]

166. So, do you think that Obama actually gets these messages?

Or do his "people" keep him shielded? I have always been curious if presidents are intentionally kept shielded from these types of messages and if "their people" just tell the president that everybody loves what he is doing. It feels like we are all in a "million man march" somewhere and it is never being broadcast on TV (speaking metaphorically here :) )

[INdemo]

173. Emanuel probably keeps him shielded..

And that is where i think most of the problem is,,Emanuel is way out of his league with his position..Oh yes he was a congressman form Chicago area and in charge of the DCCC but he is giving Obama the wrong advise..Now as for Obama did he put up such a front that he convinced the voters he was a progressive and all along he was a far right politician?..I think so..
When Bush was President we knew he would do everything and anything to favor corporate America. And Democrats were constantly working to keep his policies to a minimal damage. But with Obama its like we have a Republican Majority and no one to defend or stand up for our interests.
Obama has lost my trust and even in a year if things change and his governing style changes I still wont trust him..He has lost my support completely.

[defendandprotect]

180. Quite an accurate assessment . . . sad tho it is for all of us . . .

except that I think they all KNOW -- and they know what they are doing is wrong.

:)

[KoKo]

200. "...its like we have a Republican Majority and no one to defend or stand up for our interests."

Well said. That's the way many feel at this point.

[defendandprotect]

181. Of course they all know . . . just as they all know what they are doing is wrong . . .

[pjt7]

203. Obama has his masters

& we ain't it.

There is a reason he came out of political obscurity & rose so fast.

[Sherman A1]

153. +1

Agreed & Well Said. I am disappointed and saddened by what I have seen thusfar.

[damntexdem]

2. Totally stupid!

Obama's leadership has been lacking, and his policies have often stunk; but if this idiot can't see any difference between his policies and Dubya's, Glover is not even worth listening to. As I say: what an idiot!

[Hell Hath No Fury]

4. If you think Danny Glover is "stupid" --

you know nothing about this man's long history of activism. He is the real deal and knows of what he speaks.

[Itchinjim]

90. And Chuck Norris has long history of activism too...

that dosent mean he's not a fucking idiot.

[tblue]

99. Oh please. It's not like Glover is the only one who thinks this.

The Congressional Black Caucus and a whole lot of others think the same thing. Including me and a good percentage of people here on DU.

Regardless, this is not about Danny Glover or Chuck Stupid Norris, and it's not even about Obama. It's about US and what's best for the American people. And, whether you agree or not, many people feel Obama has let us down. Argue with that.

And attacking Danny Glover will change exactly squat. It sure won't make anyone say, "Oh in that case, Obama's doing a bang up job."

[laughingliberal]

114. Getting a little crowded under this bus, huh? But good company. nt

[tblue]

121. No kiddin'! I was never about a "person."

All I care about is policy.

[laughingliberal]

123. Me too. I hate that, "Oh, I just vote for the person." Policy is king. nt

[defendandprotect]

219. You know, it's kinda noticeable that we haven't heard from Michael Moore ....

who had a letter addressed to Obama fairly recently --

I'd like to hear what he has to say about having put his trust in Obama --

and what he thinks of passing this health care DEFORM garbage???

Just a PS on this -- love Michael Moore -- but, I think the trust and hope are over???

Liberals and progressives need to come together as a voting bloc and work on Plan B!

[Autonomy]

134. LMFAO

damn fine retort

[Parker CA]

5. +1

[bvar22]

37. -1

*

[kstewart33]

95. -1 -1 -1 -1.

[salguine]

17. Proud to be an idiot, then.

[goclark]

40. I'm proud too ~ Danny Glover is not my yardstick

[sendero]

75. Actually...

.. you are the one who is stupid. You listen to what Obama says instead of watching what he does.

He's Bush II. Deal with it.

[roguevalley]

102. I agree with Glover. Keeping torture, not prosecuting anything,

selling us out to the corporations, keeping two wars going, not ending tax cuts for the zillionaires ... yeah. same old shit.

[suzie]

141. Are you a prosecutor?

Because I read people saying all the time, not prosecuting anything, but it seems that most of them have a great deal of difficulty understanding how unlikely it would be to win cases against the "torturers".

So, I'm just wondering, are you a prosecutor--because you're complaining about not prosecuting.

[defendandprotect]

186. Very true -- Habeas Corpus, wiretapping, torture . . . corrupt lawyers having tortued our laws...

military law is anti-torture . . .

Not only that Obama is expanding the attacks on Pakistan !!

New surge in Afghanistan . . . and he has the peace prize!!!

Because "War is peace" . . . !!!

I have to admire the AA community for this truth -- they are intelligent and understand

the dangers of self-delusion.

Wish many more here would begin to understand it!!

:)

[Le Taz Hot]

168. Danny Glover is a LOOONG-TIME activist.

All of a sudden he's an idiot? You can't be serious! :wtf:

[INdemo]

175. Well, just where have you been that you cant see that Obama's

policies are basically the same as Bush's?
I think Glover has been around a little longer and observed the political workings of Washington much longer than you have. He is totally correct.
Why should the Republicans even worry about 2012 when they have their best candidate with Obama..

[defendandprotect]

182. This is the same set and narrow thinking that seeks to deflect . . .

the heart of truth in this --

Much like Nader having said the same thing of the Dems . . .

Are there differences between Bush and Obama/Repugs and Dems . . . of course --

It's not meant LITERALLY --

In general, as they say . . .

"The Repugs are the Express train to Auschwitz and the

Democrats are the Local train to Auschwitz" ---

One party is just a little less co-opted by corporatism/fascism than the other!!

At the moment . . . that is!!

[katkat]

197. damntexdem

Enlighten me, how is Obama different from Bush in terms of what he does, not what he says?

[stray cat]

3. And the last 8 years under Al Gore would have been identical to W

:rofl:

[Winterblues]

13. You mean Al Gore AND JOE LIEBERMAN?

We will never know will we?

[Hippo_Tron]

106. Yea Joe Lieberman's power to break ties in the senate would've killed the Gore Administration

:eyes:

[defendandprotect]

187. Quire a Trojan Horse in Lieberman . . . now let's see . . . if Gore had been assassinated ...???

[bridgit]

6. Danny's a really good guy, I've always liked him

[Solomon]

165. Seems to me the quotes are taken out of context.

The writer is using Glover in the worst way. Spin spin spin away. "He and Jackson are really disappointed."

R I G H T......

[jonnyblitz]

7. I COMPLETELY agree. nt

[The Backlash Cometh]

8. I just blurted it out when I was on the phone with my dad.

"Dad," I said, "Obama just did a Tiger Woods on us." When you don't have a prenuptial with a clause that penalizes the other party for breaking his promises, well, what did we expect?


I would say that my heart is broken, but I think I have steadily given up on the political process. Being a "no party" member at the age of 18 was just a lucky guess.

[defendandprotect]

184. Don't go away . . . this is an overwhelmingly liberal nation, tho that reality is

kept hidden from the public by our corporate press --

Wandering off alone isn't going to help the situation --

Perhaps the answer is liberals/progressives coming together as a voting bloc

and deciding on a Plan B --

But, obviously we have known for 40 years and more that corporations were buying

our government and our legislators -- and our response was to continue to vote for

the "lesser of evils."

We can making a meaninful difference, IMO, if we become a voting bloc --

[optimator]

9. everyone should watch "The Wire" tv show

its about how everyone in every institution is totally corrupt and reform is not possible within the current framework of society.
Also, the higher the position of power the more likely they are totally corrupt , compromised, and basically evil.
The system of capitalism and money in politics doesn't allow reform.

[rcrush]

57. Every cop I ever knew that watched that show said it was the most realistic cop show on tv.

[proud2BlibKansan]

98. One season the storyline was a public school

And it was the most realistic school/teacher TV show I have ever seen.

[defendandprotect]

188. Who's in this show? Do they do repeats?

How long has it been on?

[proud2BlibKansan]

215. It was on HBO

For about 5 seasons?

You can buy the DVDs. It's also on the On Demand channel every once in awhile.

[defendandprotect]

216. Thanks -- I'll check with my library . . they usually have the HBO shows . . .

[defendandprotect]

185. I'll look for it . . . is it cable?

Interesting ...

Capitalism is a ridiculous King-of-the-Hill System intended to move a nation's

wealth and resources from the many to the few --

and it does that quite successfully --

it's a systemic war on the people --

We are controlled by hierarchies of corrupt power --

Totally agree with the analysis --

And, unregulated capitalism is merely organized crime --

Obama and the Dems are sitting there with their pockets stuffed full of corporate money --

they well know that what they are doing is wrong. It's betrayal of our Constiution and

the American people.

[Kievan Rus]

10. I really hope a Democrat challenges Obama for the party's nomination in 2012

[suzie]

142. Because you're excited for the Republicans to return to office?

[DeSwiss]

147. No Democrats. The REAL ones. n/t

[suzie]

148. And who would those "real Democrats" be?

Do you have a list? Is everyone who voted for the health care bill to be cast out of the Democratic Party and out of office?

Because that would seem to be quite a large group.

[Christa]

172. Agree with DeSwiss. nt

[suzie]

194. And like DeSwiss, you have no list either?

So I assume it's just a talking point? A rallying cry--real Democrats--that has no meaning?

[pokercat999]

155. Compared to our current situation what would it matter?

Exactly what would change under most neo-cons compared to neo-libs like obama? What, we've have another old white man instead of a Latino woman on the SCOTUS?

[suzie]

164. Do you really think that the SCOTUS, or all the other Federal Court vacancies

matter so little in the lives of all kinds of Americans?

Whatever else Obama has done that displeases all the so-called progressives, he put a great judge on the SCOTUS. Just about the best he could have done, an appointment that will be important for a long time.

[quark219]

170. Who are you --

-- to label those who are disappointed with Obama "so-called progressives"?

Get off your high horse.

[suzie]

196. Someone who's real tired of those who care less about progress

and more about their own sloganeering.

[quark219]

212. Now I get it -- thanks!

"Someone who's real tired of those who care less about progress and more about their own sloganeering."

Gosh, with that one-liner, you just about *skewered* Obama and the whole "Change we can believe in" stuff.

Go get 'em, sport!

[defendandprotect]

190. Obama has also kept Bush's Justice Department AG's . . .

Yes, we are to be grateful that the Democratic Party is not quite as corrupted yet

with corporate/fascist money ---

but the object is to finally destroy the party and they are well on the way to doing that!

And the legislators you are counting on and trusting are sitting in Congress with their

pockets stuffed with corporate money!

And you truly expect them to be beholden to the public interest?

[suzie]

195. You sort of moved the goalposts there.

We were talking about SCOTUS and Federal judgeships.

Wonderful rhetoric, however. But do you have a comment on the importance of SCOTUS?

[defendandprotect]

199. Nothing is isolated . . . notice how so many feel "Obama has changed" . . . rather than

brought change . . . ??

Everything is connected --

And, yes, SC certainly effects our lives every moment of our lives --

but the shadow cast over government is CORPORATE/FASCISM . . . and that will

corrupt every elected official -- and eventually every APPOINTMENT ... whether

AGs or Supreme Court --

So -- nice that we have Sotomayer . . . but unless we begin to acknowledge and

attack CORPORATE/FASCISM, rather than voting for it, we will be more further along

that corridor . . . in EVERY way.

That's why the entire corruption/politicalization of our Department of Justice/AGs by

Bush is not either something to be taken lightly.

If I recall correctly, Obama just had them drop some of the wiretapping questions?

[suzie]

206. Sorry, I'm an old time Democrat.

My interest in discussing anything with those who can only spout slogans faded in the 1960s.

I've tried to deal with people who are actually interested in changing things, and who can grasp the complexities of politics since then.

[defendandprotect]

210. As they say, unfortunately, doing the same thing over and again and

expecting different results is insanity --

If we want change -- it has to begin with how we are tackling these problems --

It certainly isn't going to begin with even the Democrats who are beholden to corporations,

private interestss.

However, I do agree with Wm. Greider and Michael Moore and others who want to target

DLC and "Blue Dogs" etal -- fine with me, as well.

Happy Holidays --

[suzie]

211. Sorry, I have little time for folks who talk the radical change talk, but think that

sloganeering on websites and patting themselves on the back for talking about movies accomplishes anything.

I'm not very fond of my Blue Dog Congressperson, but I recognize that in a conservative district he's about the best one can hope for.

However, I'm less fond of those whose lives are dedicated to talking about how bad everything is.

[defendandprotect]

217. I thought "Change we can believe in" was sloganeering . . .

on the other hand, I don't think that corporate/fascism is something we

can ignore .... though I see that your concerns are more centered on avoiding

"talking about how bad everything is" --

Is that you, Barbara Bush?



:evilgrin:

Bye Suzie --

[suzie]

220. No, just your basic Democrat who works in campaigns, spent

years dealing with those who have a tough time making it in life, and have little patience with the 101st keyboard commando brigade.

My concern, unlike yours, is action, not talk. My heroes are people who get things done, not those who laud those who make movies.

But if you think that the key to enacting change is to constantly call lifelong Democrats like me, those of us who actually do the work in campaigns, call our legislators, instead of talking about it, well good luck to you.

On the other hand, my observation on DU is that most of the 101st keyboarders don't really want change, they want to whine and call others names. Oh, and then pat themselves on the back for having done something.

In my life, I've actually produced a package of progressive legislation and seen it introduced into a legislature. What have you done other than tell us about Michael Moore?

[defendandprotect]

221. Apolgies for being so inferior to you . . .

How many times have you run for office?

And you're mistakenly flattering yourself -- when I refer to Democrats I'm talking about the

Party, the leadership -- appointees -- and certainly not INDIVIDUAL campaign workers!!

The "101st keyboarders" as you refer to them obviously are posting comments which are upsetting

you resulting in your attempt to degrade them by personal attack.

Also quite obviously, Michael Moore also gets under your skin.

You're disdain and attempt to dismiss those who disagree with you doesn't impress me as

quite as "progressive" as you claim you are.

[suzie]

222. Michael Moore doesn't bother me at all.

Mr. Moore actually does something. People who act as if using references to Michael Moore to disparage other Democrats is something special--they bother me.

Calling out the 101st keyboard brigade--from what I've seen on DU, I think that's actually quite "progressive".

[defendandprotect]

228. Obviously, he does . . . and your fantasies about anyone here using

MM to "disparage other Democrats" is more of your spin --

From what I can see, your posts are disingenuous and meaningless.

And certainly NOT "progressive."

[quark219]

229. I feel your pain, Suzie.

Such a heavy cross you have to bear. Having to put up with millions of "so-called progressives" who are unable to grasp all the complexities, as you do.

My goodness, we're impressed.

[defendandprotect]

189. You don't seem to understand that we have Republicans in office ...!!!

[fascisthunter]

202. so unless Obama gets the ticket the GOP wins... is that your new meme

its laughable...

Your statemt assumes he has to be nominated in order for the dems to win the election... if he hopes on being re-elected he better start representing Americans and not corporations.

[defendandprotect]

218. There's also a question of a near BILLION which voters gave to Obama . . .

Sure . . . he can fill his pockets with more corporate money . . .

but, then again . . . ???

Also, presumably voters would be passing that financial support on to a

different candidate?

Just guessing .. . ???

Maybe we need to get our politicians to start signing PLEDGES -- legal, notarized . . . ???

Someone else suggested a kind of political "pre-nup" agreement!!!

[jonnyblitz]

150. you and me both. nt

[Le Taz Hot]

169. Das Party

will shut off money/access/media/support and throw everything they have against any potential Party challenger.

[108]

183. sorry, but I don't really think what

the congressional black caucus and AA activists is right...they are asking the President to treat them differently than other Americans...and are getting intensely emotional because he is a black president and expect something from him..

[Le Taz Hot]

227. You don't really think that?

Study what they did to Howard Dean or Dennis Kucinich and get back to me.

[4dsc]

11. Obama is getting BAD ADVISE folks

I'm afraid that while Obama is getting the bad rap here, its his advisers that are giving him bad advice. Heck I could give the president better advice than he's getting now.

[salguine]

18. Obama's not a fucking idiot. Couldn't he just ignore bad advice? He's just a sellout, period.

[xultar]

35. He's not a sellout. He is what he was it is just that people ignored it...even after tons of us

tried to tell y'all.

[tblue]

112. Why do people assume Obama is doing all this stuff against his will?

He's doing what he wants to do. I take him at face value until I hear him say, "I hate to have to do this, but..."

[Selatius]

140. People don't like to admit they got fucked over by a sweet talker.

Obama was a lot of things, but a reformer he was not. He came across as a centrist to me, and given the choices between a centrist and a far right person, the choices were rather limited. However, I didn't make myself any illusions to make voting for Obama feel any better. The only candidate I agreed with most, Kucinich, dropped out well before my state had its primary.

We have a problem, and being stuck in a state of denial isn't going to do any good at solving the problem.

[defendandprotect]

191. Looking at the $$$, think we all knew we were once again voting "the lesser of evils" ...!!

[DeSwiss]

208. Yep.

But they control the $$$ and they control the voting booths.

- The only thing that's left is the streets. Good thing the army is away fighting Obama's "good war," eh?

[pokercat999]

225. DK was pushed out by the corporate media. Probably because

he couldn't be counted on to "play ball". Obama on the other hand is a prefect teammate.

[Individualist]

19. He chose his advisers and knew exactly what they were.

[ProgressIn2008]

24. He's getting exactly the advice he wants to hear. That's why he hired the advisors he did. nt

[Segami]

25. If your first string Running Backs or Receivers are dropping or fumbling the ball, then at some

point the coach would be viewed as incompetent if he allowed such costly mistakes to continue at the expense of the rest of the team who are performing exemplary without producing such game losing turnovers. Maybe Obama should begin watching football instead and put his basketball away for a while. We need a smart & balanced running/pass game OFFENSIVE strategy to move progressive programs forward. His strategy (if you want to call it that ) runs counter to his campaign promises and quite frankly, has become very disappointing, flawed to the hill and just won't cut it anymore for progressives unless he comes through and delivers on those promises.

[snagglepuss]

28. There are no excuses. He chose his advisers. nt

[Carolina]

39. He chose those advisors!

And he was elected to make to tough decisions DESPITE POOR ADVISORS. The buck stops WHERE?

His policies and actions to date are indefensible and he's shown that he's essentially a smooth talking con artist

[LWolf]

52. He chose his advisers, and their records were clear

when he did so. Their advice matches their philosophy and agenda.

If he wanted better advice, he should have chosen better advisers. The buck stops with him.

Edited to add:

He's getting "advice." That's the noun. His advisers "advise" him. That's the verb.

[glitch]

70. I think Glover is correct, the system itself is corrupt.

Whether Obama is a willing participant in that corrupted system is probably irrelevent to anyone but him.
I don't think he's wallowing in it like pigs in shit as Bush and Cheney did, FWIW.

[FiveGoodMen]

77. If he doesn't recognize the bad advice when he gets it, then he's not ready for the office

We didn't elect the advisers.

[StreetKnowledge]

80. Bad Advice? Come on.

The guy is not this dumb. He knows what he's doing. He's selling us out, period.

[Raine]

92. I wish that was all it was

but those are the people he choose to surround himself with.

[roguevalley]

103. he's a grown man and he has to take responsibility. Bad advice

is one thing, taking it is another. it would be wrong to assume he doesn't know what he is doing. he's too smart to claim stupid or duped.

[emilyg]

110. So are you saying he can't think for himself?

[Zhade]

137. Yeah, but, uh, HE'S FOLLOWING IT WILLINGLY.

NT!

[saracat]

159. It isn't advice.He is getting what he wants. He courted and pursued Rahm to carry out his policies.R

The president is not a victim. He is in charge.

[piratefish08]

171. Well that explains it. The POTUS must follow orders from the advisors HE put in place

You're right. Obama is blameless and just a silly fall guy.

Right?

[defendandprotect]

192. Nonsense . . . Obama surrounded himself with pro-corporate agents . . .

That's the DLC and Emmanuel and Goldman Sachs -- Summers . . .

None of us could guess what that was about????

Good way to delude yourself --

Plus, if you follow the money Obama's pockets -- like most Dems -- are stuffed with

corporate money -- !!!

[Kansas Wyatt]

204. He knew the hardships the American People are facing...

But he CHOSE to side with Corporate America instead.

You don't fucking lose sight the problems people are facing, once you get the chance to make it right for the people.

[Vidar]

12. I agree with Glover.

[debbierlus]

14. Bravo Danny - so needs to be said!

[debbierlus]

15. Bravo Danny - so needs to be said!

[ProSense]

16. It doesn't matter who says it. Obama = Bush

is the most idiotic thing anyone can say.

[ipaint]

21. It's tough when the truth starts catapulting over the propaganda

You've got your work cut out for you.

[RetroLounge]

22. Except he didn't say that

:eyes:

RL

[EFerrari]

23. He didn't say that. He said the structure doesn't allow change

and he's right. Making it about Obama is missing his entire point.

[AspenRose]

55. Exactly.

[hfojvt]

59. well that's a huge relief

that means when Republicans take over congress in 2010, that nothing will change, and when Jeb Bush becomes President in 2013 that nothing will change, because the structure does not allow change.

It also means that the people who were pushing for the Matthew Shepard act, the Lilly Ledbetter act and SCHIP expansion were just wasting their time, since apparently those laws change nothing. There's also no difference, none discernable, between a $400 tax credit for low income workers and a $10,000,000 tax cut for Wal-mart heir types on their unearned dividend income.

What he seems to not understand is that a majority of the country is not ready for and doss not support the huge changes that he desires. They didn't nominate a Jackson, or a Kucinich, making for enormous changes, or even an Edwards, supposedly putting the poor first, instead they nominated and voted for incremental changes, and even that amount of change seems to have a good part of the country freaked out. Yet he seems to want to undermine even incremental steps in the right direction instead of keep pushing forward.

[EFerrari]

60. Most of the country was behind the public option.

And Danny Glover, with his years and years of service, isn't undermining anything worth supporting.

[hfojvt]

64. years and years of service?

He's a fairly wealthy man, isn't he? and so is Jesse Jackson, much as I love him.

I see that sig picture in your post and it seems to me that when the police come in and start swinging their truncheons that we on the left let go of each others hands and start swinging and throwing things at each other. So many of my supposed allies are looking forward to Democratic defeats, because, as you imply, the Democratic Party is not worth supporting. We are sure to get a public option once we elect more Republicans.

[EFerrari]

65. No, I didn't imply the party was not worth supporting, that's your construction.

Danny Glover is a long time activist. You might want to check out his long record of helping people much less fortunate than he is.

[laughingliberal]

119. Glover & Jackson both wealthy and could, very well, sit back, enjoy their comfortable lives and

never say a word. Glover, especially, has no vested interest in speaking out. Those who have theirs have no reason to speak for those who do not. What possible self serving interest would it serve?

[girl gone mad]

26. "the most idiotic thing anyone can say"

I guess it's a matter of perspective.

In my view:

"The 30,000 additional troops that I am announcing tonight will deploy in the first part of 2010 the fastest pace possible so that they can target the insurgency and secure key population centers,"

is a way more idiotic thing to say than any of Glover's statements.

:shrug:

[xiamiam]

88. and the rest of the speech as well..at the rate of 57k per minute

while millions continue to lose homes..unemployment...no accountability...and all the rest of the bs...these are the sentiments at the parties over the weekend in my neck of the woods..he lost us..its over...

i absolutely hate when someone says we'll have repubs forever if we dont support this bs..i'm ready to get in the streets

the middle class has lost more ground under obamas watch than at any time in my life..he could have plugged the dam...he did not..he will not

[laughingliberal]

120. +++1000 nt

[Lorien]

127. He's a "hands off" President

stands back, let's the power elite Do What They Will, and enjoys a few photo ops.

I doubt that he'll even bother running for a second term since he's already in lame duck mode.

[Individualist]

29. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7274861&mesg_id=7274861

[Jamastiene]

61. You apparenlty were not paying attention.

That is not what he said

[TexasObserver]

20. Recommend

[FLAprogressive]

27. Shit--maybe he'll finally wake the hell up when he realizes he's losing African Americans

When the first black president starts to lose African Americans then you know everything is FUBAR.

[AspenRose]

47. Unless Danny Glover has become the spokesperson for all black people

I wouldn't jump to that conclusion just yet

[girl gone mad]

67. Did you actually read the article?

[Number23]

78. It's apparent that she did read it. Particularly the part that said Obama is more popular than

black members of Congress in their own districts and enjoys a 90+% approval rating amongst blacks nationwide.

[HipChick]

91. since when did glover start speaking for all black people? It's like saying Sarah Palin speaks for

all white people..

:sarcasm:

[Kablooie]

30. They are very different. The GOP loved Bush policies. They hate Obama's. That's different.

[StreetKnowledge]

82. They don't hate Obama's Policies.

Many of his policies are what Bush was proposing. They hate Obama. Period. To many of them, he's a black Democrat in their house, and they want him out, regardless of how hypocritical they look.

[Sebastian Doyle]

31. Danny Glover is a RACIST !11!!11!

:crazy:

[xultar]

34. ROFL!!!!!!

Takes me back to the primaries.

[Sebastian Doyle]

36. It ain't just the primaries

There was a thread over in GD: Message Discipline just the other day where a very "mad" person was throwing out the race card at anyone opposed to the fucking joke of a health care bill.

[QC]

48. That person's handle has always make me giggle,

because "mad" doesn't mean what she thinks it does.

[Sebastian Doyle]

56. Sure it does

..if she's British :evilgrin:

[QC]

58. Mad indeed! n/t

[QC]

46. HE HAS ALWASY HATED OBAMA!11!111!!!!!!11

[Name removed]

49. Deleted message

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[QC]

53. PUMA!1!!!11!! n/t

[Bethany Rockafella]

93. LOL!

[hfojvt]

32. I might heave a sigh too - about Glover's tired refrain

which has been sung on DU thousands of times over the last two months. The same old tired chestnuts trotted out too - bring out the old talking points

1. Wall street bailed out but main street wasn't - this is a stupid point on many levels. First, if the banking industry had collapsed it would have devastated main street, secondly perhaps both the stimulus bill and the Republican opposition to it and their offered alternatives (tax cuts, tilted upwards) have been forgotten.

2. Iraq, Afghanistan and the middle east - not sure why these are all thrown together. What is Obama doing in the middle east that is the same as Bush? What would Glover (or DU) like to see different in the 'Middle East (sans Iraq)' Well Iraq seems to be drawing down. There were 4 US casualties in December, 11 in November, 9 in October and 10 in September. Let's just ignore that good news and say its the same as George W. Bush 'stay the course' with 68 casualties in December 2005 and 86 in November 2005.

As for Afghanistan, Democrats, not just Obama, have long stressed that it is more important than Iraq and should not be abandoned
see Kerry's comments here
http://www.johnkerry.com/blog/entry/afghanistan_al_qaeda_and_the_war_on_terror/

particularly his speech on 14 Sep 2006.

I have long noticed and complained that Obama is no Jesse Jackson, but frustrating as that may be, that doesn't make him a George W Bush either. I am getting too old to keep hearing that shit.

[girl gone mad]

101. Personally, I think refrain is far more tired:

"if the banking industry had collapsed it would have devastated main street"

Why? Because the banks would have stopped lending to Main Street?

That was, of course, the primary argument for why we had to rush through a poorly thought-out, trillion dollar bailout with limited oversight. Yet, lending has declined every single month since this bailout (and the dozens of other multi-trillion dollar govt. bailouts) were enacted. Turns out we probably could have put these banks into receivership, broken them up and sold off the assets to smaller, better managed banks and Main Street would have been much better off.

So, no, saying that we had to do this or Main Street would have been devastated is not good enough. We did this and Main St. was devastated, and now Main St. is on the hook for the billions of taxpayer dollars Execs looted from their companies in bonuses and bloated compensation.

[laughingliberal]

122. "it would have devastated main street."

Yes, perhaps someone needs to let us know how we are to tell the difference. (cause it feels pretty devastating, as it is).

"We did this and Main Street was devastated" Exactly!

[Zhade]

138. Oh, you and your FUCKING FACTS

: )

[hfojvt]

151. you thought those were facts?

only if the word 'fact' means 'hyperbole that I agree with'.

[hfojvt]

154. perhaps it is speculation

but if the banking sector had collapsed, it would not have stopped lending to main street, it would have stopped existing. That doesn't mean just the typical tight credit of a recession, it would mean the end of commerce. It means that nobody is getting paid because there's no money to pay them with. It means then that nothing gets transported, because people aren't gonna drive trucks full of food to the store unless they get paid for it. Without a financial system, we do not have an economy and the hugely complex flow of energy and goods could not be easily re-started once it had been disrupted any more than you can rebuild the twin towers while they are collapsing. Hence the need to scramble and do what is necessary to avoid a collapse.

Yeah, it might have been nice if those big banks had been broken up, but in a practical matter, the public would not be happy with that type of Government intervention. Not to mention that the bailout began under the Bush Administration which kinda makes it much harder to do something progressive. Not satisfied with just taking the O's off of the White House computer keyboards, the Bush administration had to trash the economy before they left.

But let's make sure we blame Obama for any troubles so we'll have the best possible chance of getting another Republican Congress and another Republican President because 1992-2000 was just the same as 2001-2008.

[Nikki Stone1]

33. "More in sorrow than in anger"....That sums it up for me.

Danny, we've been had.

[CoffinEd]

38. Okay, so now Glover, Jackson and the "others"

Speak for the entire African American community. And especially Jackson senior; the same Jesse Jackson who wanted to rip off Obama's balls. Please!

So maybe someone can tell me when Jackson became the king of black folks, or Danny Glover for the matter. I was at a holiday party over the weekend that was 90-95% African American, and none of them expressed any hostility of disappointment toward the president. But I know, they are all clueless sheeple.

Talk about playing the race card by suggesting that all Black people think or suppose to think alike. Shees! B-)

[G_j]

43. sorry, but nowhere does anyone pretend to speak for the entire African American community

nice try, but no cigar..

[CoffinEd]

51. I don't smoke...

But thanks for the offer. I stand by what I said earlier. And, again, when did Danny Glover, Jesse Jackson senior, John Conyers, and the "others" (including Tavis Smiley) become the voices of black America. The article implies that they speak for all of black America and I'm calling BS on that one.

Among the people I know, who run the gamut of black America, support for Obama is still pretty high. So why should I gave a flying sh*t what people like Glover, Jackson, and Smiley have to say. B-)

[Number23]

83. Preach, brother! But as you can tell by some of the replies in this thread

Danny's criticism has somehow elevated his voice in the black community. If he'd come out and said "Brother Obama is all right with me!" he'd be just some other black guy praising the President because they're both black.

[Name removed]

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[AspenRose]

54. But it looks like there are quite a few people here who are claiming just that

Mr. Glover does not speak for the whole community, nor did he ever say that he did.

I think, however, that quite a few people HERE seem to think that because one politically active black man said it, it somehow carries a ton of weight within the larger black community.

It doesn't.

The black community has not had a 'leader' per se since MLK. (No, not even Sharpton, or Jackson have risen to that status.)

And it doesn't shock me at all that quite a few blacks are upset with Obama. HRC had more of the black vote locked up during the primaries (until South Carolina), because a lot of blacks were suspicious of him.

Those who were suspicious then are being more vocal about it now. Glover's choice during the primaries was Edwards.

[CoffinEd]

63. My sentiments exactly

"I think, however, that quite a few people HERE seem to think that because one politically active black man said it, it somehow carries a ton of weight within the larger black community."

And to be clear, my beef is not with anyone in particular on DU, but the author of the article, Lloyd Grove. He speaks to several "African-American opinion leaders" and all of a sudden what they think possibly becomes the view of the majority of African Americans. Come on dude!

As for those black folks who feel "betrayed" that Obama isn't showing them some kind of preferential treatment because he is a "Black man," I say grow the hell up. Obama was elected president of the United States, not president of Black America.

Just let me also say that like many who post on DU, I'm not totally happy with some of Obama's decisions, including the decision to send more troops to Afghanistan. But I certainly am not going to retreat to a dark corner of my house and refuse to participate in the 2010 mid-elections or the 2012 presidential election just out of spite. How silly and immature is that?

Snark alert: perhaps Mr. Grove should speak to his ex-girlfriend conservative water-carrier Amy Holmes about "black abandonment," as the word on the street is that she got the hell away from him as fast as she could. Okay, Holmes is biracial (black father, white mother) like Obama, but we'll just apply the one drop rule in this case. B-)

[CBR]

74. My husband and his family (all African-Americans)

still strongly support Obama and I have heard many of them say (based on my husband's reporting on the discourse on the left blogosphere -- Dean 2012, for example) that it seems that the blogosphere may not recognize the strongest base of supporters the party has had the last few decades -- African-Americans. Yeah, they pretty much think he is getting bashed, partially, due to his race. A primary challenge to him -- that will be a sure sign.


WARNING: I understand this is just one family and anecdotal reporting.

[noiretextatique]

213. he speaks for this black person

and i agree with his main point: there is little one person can do, even obama, when the system is so corrupt.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

41. I see no difference between any of the "Lethal Weapon" movies...

So stop hanging out with Mel Gibson and STFU.

Seriously, if you're so fucking stupid that you can't tell the difference between Bush and Obama, you really should stop talking and stick to makeing lame-ass action movies.

[Bluebear]

42. A scintillating retort!

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

44. Brief and to the point...

If you can't tell the difference between the Bush and Obama Administrations, you're beyond merely clueless.

[AspenRose]

45. Glover was originally a supporter of John Edwards.

Lest anyone think he has been with Obama from the beginning...he hasn't been...and it is not surprising to hear him say this.

Cornel West and Tavis Smiley have been on Obama's case almost since day one.

I take away two things from what Mr. Glover has said:

*He reinforces the truth that, politically speaking, blacks are not a philosophical monolith, and
*He recognizes there are serious problems within our political structure

[Bluebear]

107. Are you saying then he has no place to criticize him, since wasn't with him 'from the Beginning'?

[saracat]

207. Some would say that. I am frequently told that.

[paulsby]

50. people think glover is "smart?". lol. he's a cuba/castro supporter

that's inconsistent with intelligence, or at least with having a grasp on the facts
.

maybe i'm being too harsh. there are smart people who support castro.

there's a difference between intelligence and wisdom

[Karenina]

87. It's enough now. One thug down...

:nuke: 2 to go.

[Goldstein1984]

62. There are only a handful of celebrity activists that I take seriously

Danny Glover is one of them.

I don't believe that Obama/Biden is as bad as Bush/Cheney, but the continuation of Bush/Cheney policies has been a disappointment.

I'm also hoping for a viable alternative in 2012.

[Citizen Kang]

66. I see very little change

Perpetual wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Check

Legislation friendly to large corporations (Health Care "Reform"? Check

Bailouts to Wall Street? Check


Obama swept the Bush crimes under the carpet.

He has been a very big disappointment, and I say that as someone who supported him since Iowa in 2008, donated to his campaign and volunteered for him. I will not be doing that in 2012.

[immoderate]

68. Danny has a point.

On major issues, I don't see much difference.

--imm

[immoderate]

69. Danny has a point.

On major issues, I don't see much difference.

--imm

[NNN0LHI]

71. If I were as wealthy as him I wouldn't see any difference either

Because if I were wealthy who the president was would have Ø impact on my everyday life.

Don

[phasma ex machina]

72. Glover needs to make up his mind what he wants to be when he grows up.

Celebrity or politician?

:kick:

[Bluenorthwest]

85. Tell that to Senator Franken, why don't you?

Danny Glover is not a 'celebrity' he's an artist and a major film star of excellent reputation. And of course, any and all American citizens have the duty to speak out and speak up, it is not reserved for some special class nor is it disallowed to some professions. Certainly not to a profession that serves as a garden for many large political careers. Actors have become Presidents, Governors, Senators and Representatives at a rate that is really exceed only by lawyers.
Which other occupations do you think should not be allowed to voice political opinion?

[Divine Discontent]

156. I'm glad someone beat me to the punch - same BS told to Franken. You know, that's a weak comment by

you.

Obama's main policies have been quite similar to B*sh's. Patriot Act - Check. Defending B*sh protections/keeping torture from being seen or discussed through Clinton's efforts in the UK - Check. Mandating Insurance without Single Payer, when we could railroad it through and CHANGE America for the much greater good - Check. Afghanistan 3-5 additional years - Check. Wall St Bailout and policy adhering to what the lobbyist dictate through Goldman Sachs advisors - Check.

[SidDithers]

73. Then Danny Glover is a fucking idiot...nt

Sid

[Number23]

76. Oh, Lawd.

Edit: Oh, you just gotta LOVE this part!!!!

"A breakout of black voters in Washington Post surveys over the past eight months shows that those who “strongly” approve of Obama fell from 85 to 69 percent, while his disapproval rating quintupled—from 2 to 11 percent. Admittedly, that’s still very low number, but it’s evidently moving in the wrong direction." 11%???

"...Bositis predicted that black turnout for Obama will remain strong in 2012—and that the president enjoys significantly higher approval ratings among black voters than African-American members of Congress in their own districts."

But please! Don't let this stop us from writing an article on "black discontent" because Danny Glover is unhappy! People really need to understand that not all black people think with one brain. When that miraculous day happens, we won't have to suffer through articles like this anymore -- hopefully.

There is alot of frustration within the black community with the economy and unemployment -- we are not stupid and we are usually the FIRST and HARDEST HIT members of this society when things go down. But between the MASSIVE 11% disapproval in ONE WHOLE SURVEY (:eyes:) amongst blacks and the fact that Obama is more popular than several black members of Congress render, this entire article is a bit of a stretch and this "analysis" is downright pitiful.

[Catherine Vincent]

79. uh oh

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

81. That's because the dimes worth has shrunk to about two cents. K&R

[Blasphemer]

86. The disappointment is RIFE in the community

There were bigger Obama supporters than my family members. They are disgusted and disappointed.

[HuckleB]

89. Drama! Woo hoo!

Danny plays fictional characters, and this is a fictional load of crap.

[kstewart33]

94. Oh please. What a completely idiotic thing to say.

So stupid, Glover's tirade does not merit a reply.

[Zynx]

96. I'm disappointed by some things, but this is just stupid.

The biggest item to date, the stimulus bill, is hardly something Bush would have come up with. 65% of it went to social programs including housing for the poor, medical aid, education (huge Title I grants among other things), infrastructure, science and technology, and energy efficiency. You know what Bush's stimulus would have been? A top marginal tax rate cut from 35% to 25%. This is a nearly $1 trillion item. If liberals can't appreciate it, then just get bent.

[Fire1sKid]

97. +1,000

It is quite obvious that there are a lot of people on here still shoving that damn blue pill down their throats.

[treestar]

100. Who cares?

Who cares what any actor thinks?

:rofl:

This is supposed to persuade? :rofl:

[girl gone mad]

104. Another classless 'attack the messenger' post from "treestar"

First, what's wrong with actors? Actors have traditionally been one of the biggest allies of Democrats, and they certainly contribute to the party, both through volunteerism and financial donations. Why the fuck would you use some low-class Laura Ingraham style insult to dismiss a person our of hand simply because you don't respect his profession? This sounds exactly like what all of the Freepers said about the Dixie Chicks.

Secondly, Danny Glover is more than just some actor. He's been a long time civil rights activist.

Thirdly, the article quotes a number of African American activists and leaders who are disappointed with Obama.

I'm certain that most people will find his eloquent, well-reasoned thoughts much more persuasive than your little rofl's. Maybe you can win some people over with this tripe on fourchan.

[UrbScotty]

105. The Norwegian Nobel Committee saw LOTS of difference. (nt)

[Zhade]

139. Citing the same group that gave Kissinger a peace prize doesn't bolster your argument.

It undermines it.

[Hippo_Tron]

108. He's right the structure makes change extremely difficult

But lets not kid ourselves. Obama is fit to run the country whereas Bush was not fit to be dog catcher. People may say that I have low expectations but being from New Orleans, simply having a President who doesn't appoint his buddy the horse salesman as FEMA Director is meaningful change that I can believe in.

[ProSense]

109. Found a big difference:

CREW AND OBAMA ADMINISTRATION SETTLE LAWSUIT OVER MISSING BUSH WHITE HOUSE EMAILS:

14 Dec 2009 // Washington, D.C. - Today, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) and the National Security Archive (NSA) reached a final settlement of their long-running lawsuits challenging the failure of the Bush White House and the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) to take any action after confronted with evidence that millions of emails had gone missing from Bush White House servers over a two and one-half year period. The lawsuits followed CREW’s revelation in April 2008 that the White House had discovered the problem in the fall of 2005. Nevertheless, the Bush White House failed to recover or restore the missing emails and knowingly continued to use a broken system for preserving electronic records.

Under the terms of the settlement, the Executive Office of the President (EOP) will restore a total of 94 days of missing emails, which will then be sent to NARA for preservation and eventual access under either the Presidential Records Act or the Federal Records Act. The dates for restoration were chosen based on email volume and external events because there simply was not enough money to restore all the missing emails. In addition, the EOP will continue to provide CREW and the NSA with records documenting the missing email problem, the response of the Bush White House to that problem, and the options the Bush White House considered for preserving electronic records, but inexplicably rejected.

To date, the Obama White House has produced thousands of pages of documents relating to these issues, all of which CREW has posted on www.governmentdocs.org . Finally, the EOP will be providing a publicly releasable description of the system it now uses to manage and preserve electronic records, including its email archiving and backup systems. CREW and the NSA will then dismiss their lawsuits.

Documents produced so far show the Bush White House was lying when officials claimed no emails were ever missing. The record now proves incontrovertibly that Bush administration officials deliberately ignored the problem and, in fact, knowingly allowed it to worsen. Some questions remain unanswered. Why, after the Office of Administration told then-White House Counsel Harriet Miers about the problem and presented her with a plan to restore the emails, did she do nothing? Why did the White House abandon -- at the last minute -- a system it had developed to manage and preserve electronic records, despite having spent millions to create it? Did the Bush White House properly respond to requests for records from the Department of Justice and Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald during the investigation into the leak of Valerie Plame Wilson’s covert CIA identity?

Melanie Sloan, CREW’s Executive Director, said, “We may never know exactly what happened to all the missing emails, and which Bush administration officials were involved in the coverup, but we do know the American public never got the full story.” After the Obama administration produces all the promised records, CREW will release a report, providing as much detail as possible. Sloan continued, “The Obama administration, which inherited the lawsuits and the dysfunctional White House email system, has done a terrific job straightening out the mess. Thanks to the Obama White House, a critical part of our nation’s missing history will be restored. This is yet another example of the administration living up to its promise of accountability and transparency.”

[emilyg]

111. kick - I like Glover.

[Barbara2423]

113. Initially he spent to much time trying to work with the GOP but now

he seems to have moved on. He is doing a good job, I give him a "B". He will be better next year.

[lonestarnot]

115. Kickedee and recommendee.

[cliffordu]

116. Like I'm supposed to trust the judgement of some guy

who willingly starred in Predator 2.....

[roamer65]

117. There was very little difference between Pappy Dimwit and Clinton.

The difference between Dimwit Jr and Obama is even less.

I think Obama just may be our best Republican president yet.

[dbmk]

152. A republican president

..that pushes for reform on healthcare.

However lame the final result will be, that undermines the comparison.

[roamer65]

118. Duplicate post.

[kwassa]

124. Lloyd Grove is the former GOSSIP columnist for the WaPo.

found in the Style section with little tidbits about celebrities.

[NYC_SKP]

125. I didn't know until now that Danny Glover is a Fucking Idiot.

I had suspected, but didn't have any clear evidence until now.

:P

[Liberation Angel]

126. For the record: Jesse Jackson ws complicit in MLK's murder

He was Cointelpro operative

you can google it

As for Glover his statement "What choices do they have within the structure"? says it all

He is not saying Obama is the probpem but that the structure is the problem.

And we all knew that already.

Jacksons tears were probably because it wasn;t him up there in Grant Park: Jackson has been a fascist operative sellout agent for more than 40 years.

Google anything related to his role in the death of MLK and prepare to be shocked.

I have no doubt he helped set the murder up with agents of the COINTELPRO or off the shelf CIA fascists (same boys who did Bobby and JFK and Malcolm)

[liquid diamond]

128. Damn. What the hell happened to this place?

I see more love for Obama at free republic.

[FrenchieCat]

129. Just because we voted for a Black President,

doesn't mean that we were going to allow him to govern.

He was supposed to be our puppet.

[NOLALady]

144. Black President?

Does this mean he's no longer half white?

[Bluebear]

145. Quiet, or she will tell you you're treating Obama like a janitor. Or OJ Simpson.

But no, she's not racist.

[Divine Discontent]

157. HY-STER-I-CAL! love ya BB...

[NMMNG]

161. Oh, you and your WP

:P

[saracat]

163. Touche!

[jmm]

198. As Obama himself once said

"If I'm outside your building trying to catch a cab they're not saying, 'Oh, there's a mixed race guy.'"

[Number23]

209. Exactly. But as you can tell by the replies to NOLA, a few folks didn't get the joke

or the point she was making to Frenchie.

Didn't seem to stop them from commenting anyway though. Doesn't EVER seem to.

[saracat]

160. We didn't vote for a Black president. We voted for an American Democrat.

who happened to be biracial. At least I did, or so I thought.

[earth mom]

167. That's because most rethugs recognize that Obama has made a huge right turn. nt

[liquid diamond]

224. Well then their support will replace yours in 2012.

Balances out I guess.

[dave29]

130. I'm getting too old for this shit.

n/t

[ProSense]

132. What make this thread stand out for absurdity is what's right below it

on DU's front page:

Obama signs Franken’s anti-rape amendment into law.

[CBR]

177. +1

I work directly with a homeless prevention program (funded through HUD) that is distinctly different from anything Bush did. Only serving renters who are 50% AMI or below. The City of Baltimore, for example, received $9million for the program in addition to the State of Maryland receiving $5.5million and other urban jurisdictions (Prince George's, Montgomery) receiving additional direct funds. This is a tangible difference in the lives of many.

[Imagevision]

133. Glover may be right, Time will tell, we'll all see in a few more years, then what?!!

[Zhade]

135. A work friend -- black, 50s, old-time FDR liberal -- feels the same.

Called the 18 BILLION DOLLAR PROFIT in the form of a tax break for Citigroup "Obamanomics".

[shotten99]

136. Woo hoo!!! PALIN 2012!

What an idiot...

[Egnever]

143. More dumb shit whining

Amnerica has become the land of the petulant fuckwits. Always spouting with no clue what they are talking about.

Bill crystols reign of terror is proof of this and glover carries on the tradition here in this piece of crap quite well.

[Horse with no Name]

146. WOW!

He campaigned for Obama.
I hope Obama is paying attention to the chickens coming home to roost.

[Triana]

149. I frankly see very little difference myself

Obama = bu$h with a tan? Not quite but darn close.

Pfft.

[ShortnFiery]

158. Danny Glover is spot on: It's a continuation of American Crusade 2001+

[truthrocks]

162. Please Read A Different Perspective if you Dare

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7595

Thank you!

[EFerrari]

214. The Left is not Frank's area and he doesn't write about it very well.

[deacon]

174. It's idiotic. Bush was the warmonger nut tearing up nuclear treaties for instance.

Bush never said no to spending. Bush never said no to a corporation. Bush had no use for any type of health care reform. Bush altered reports on climate change that he ordered. The list goes on and on.

The problem is the corporate media berates anything a democrat does. The corporate media + the GOP who wants Obama to fail gives us what we have.

The GOP created the multi headed crisis and wants to trash all actions taken that may correct the disaster they created simply to win back power. They don't give a damn about people. Obama did not create this global mess.

People buy into this stuff? What happens if the dems lose the majority in congress. I tellya what happens. They continue to vote no on everything, continue to offer no ideas to solve problems - they will smile and run us down a hole. If we lose this majority prepare to eat a lot of freaking beans.

They will eventually return us to the path off the cliff. And, it will be worse next time around. People better wake up.

[defendandprotect]

178. What's Obama doing in Pakistan and Afghanistan . . . is this peace???

Didn't Obama just say at the peace prize awards essentially that

"war is peace" . . . ???

It was repulsive -- and is that all we are to expect from Obama and Democrats ???

[defendandprotect]

176. The problem we need to overturn is CORPORATISM/FASCISM...

Capitalism is a ridiculous King-of-the-Hill system intended to move the wealth

and resources of a nation from the many to the few.

Unregulated capitalism is merely organized crime.

How could we expect anything different from our elected officials with their pockets

stuffed with corproate cash than what we are seeing?

Do you really expected our legislators who are PRE-BRIBED AND PRE-OWNED BY CORPORATIONS

to act in the public interest?

How naive are we --???

Yes, it means no longer doing what we've been doing for the past 40 years in light of

this knowledge --

No more self-delusion --

No more voting for the "lesser of evils" --

It means liberals/progressives coming together as a voting bloc -- !!!

[Political Heretic]

179. What choices do they have within the structure - exactly.

[quaker bill]

193. The current juxtaposition

of this thread and the adjacent "Obama signs Franken's anti-rape ammendment" is altogether fascinating. Bush would have vetoed this.

[Buzz Clik]

201. Glover is correct. I'm glad someone at DU finally posted this sentiment.

:sarcasm: :sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm::sarcasm:

[Bonn1997]

205. They're not identical but the differences are very small and the overlap is very big.

[eridani]

223. This is not true. Obama has done plenty of good things

But he refuses to be BOLD at fighting for people and against corporate interests. This is NOT the same as McSame.

[KrR]

226. Obama has 90% approval among African-Americans

and 87% approval among self describe Liberals, and yes this is a recent poll by PPP. Don't beleive all the poutrage.