Parents: Religion Led To Children Being Taken Away

[Kadie]

Dec 20, 2009 11:28 pm US/Pacific
Parents: Religion Led To Children Being Taken Away

SACRAMENTO (CBS13) ― Two local parents are accusing the state of taking away their children because of their religion, and the Pakistani-American community is saying their beliefs are being ignored.

Chaudhry Sharif and Fakhere Afzal's two-month-old and 15-month-old daughters were taken from them in July of last year after they brought the infant to the emergency room with a broken arm and head injury.

The family denied any wrongdoing and said three independent doctors ruled the child's injuries were caused by a previous medical condition, not abuse, but Child Protective Services removed both children from their home.

"Every day and every night we spend just crying and crying and crying," Sharif said.

Members of the Pakistani-American community call the case a clear-cut example of discrimination, because the girls are being raised in a non-Muslim foster home despite requests they be placed with relatives or someone who shares their culture.

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http://cbs13.com/local/cps.custody.religion.2.1382781.html

[DebbieCDC]

1. I'd like to know what "previous medical condition"

caused a brokern arm and a head injury :shrug:

[blondeatlast]

3. No kidding. nt

[Hannah Bell]

4. seizures, for example. epilepsy. lots of possibilities.

[tammywammy]

7. Vitamin deficiency

http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-news-muslimcpscase,0,814474.story

[Hannah Bell]

22. vitamin deficiency not prima facie evidence of abuse.

[Deep13]

8. Yeah, I'd have to see the report myself...

...and even then I would want to cross examine the doctor on it.

I know a lot of the time, the medical report simply records what--in the case of small children--the parents tell them. Says here the kid is just a klutz. Why did you conclude that, doc? "I didn't conclude it. The nurse wrote it down because the parents said it was an accident."

[maxsolomon]

2. so important to indoctrinate them up early

or they might have independent thoughts later on.

[Deep13]

5. bingo nt

[Hannah Bell]

6. all enculturation = indoctrination. there are no independent thoughts.

all thought is dependent on enculturation.

including yours.

[Deep13]

10. No, some upbringing encourages dogmatic thinking...

...others encourage critical thinking. Do you really think what a kid learns in science class does the same thing as what she learns in Sunday school? Lack of dogma is not a dogma. Not all beliefs are equally valid. Not all of them lead to the same results.

[Hannah Bell]

13. all enculturation = indoctrination. the cult of science included.

[Odin2005]

17. "The Cult of Science" WTF are you smoking?

:grr:

[Hannah Bell]

21. not smoking anything. are you?

[frebrd]

12. I was raised in a family of......

nut-case Christian Scientists who tried their best to indoctrinate me. I never believed any of it, never even actually thought I was supposed to believe it (It was just too obviously unbelievable). I've been an Atheist all my life. Never believed in Santa Claus, either. :)

[Hannah Bell]

14. reaction formation is not freedom.

[dionysus]

16. religion and science are indeed the enemy comrade bell. marx will set us free!!!

:rofl:

[Hannah Bell]

20. don't know how, you have no clue what i'm talking about.

you just have your little rolly guy, trotted out whenever you have no clues, or argument.

cause the best way to "win" is to make fun of people, as all bullies & fascists know.

[Flaneur]

15. Your post has nothing to do with the OP or the issues raised by it.

Just a little religion-bashing or Islam-bashing, I'm not sure which.

The story is about CPS taking away the family's kids.

[Hannah Bell]

23. it's ok to cheer when muslim kids are taken from their parents w/o hearing.

as well as to label them "indoctrinators" on the basis of their religion.

it's "democratic".

[maxsolomon]

27. i'd cheer when anything occurs that hinders indoctrination in any of the 3 monotheisms

but i do think they deserve a hearing. it sounds like mom & dad are mostly afraid that evil, non-muslim secular beliefs will adhere to the kids while they fight CPS.

i already know i was indoctrinated, thanks.

[Hannah Bell]

28. yes, they don't love their kids, they just want bodies to indoctrinate.

[maxsolomon]

29. put words in my mouth why dontcha

and in those of the rest of the posters.

[The2ndWheel]

19. Every successful organized effort knows it

The church, the state, ad firms, etc. Everyone wants those young minds to mold in the image that they wish to mold them. Pews(or whatever), classrooms, tv, it all works the same way.

[WolverineDG]

26. If you think CPS wants foster kids to think independently

why do you think they fight tooth & nail to keep the kids from what their rights as foster kids are? And yes, those rights include being placed in a home of someone who shares their cultural and religious beliefs.


dg

[SteelPenguin]

9. This is ridiculous

I hope they have luck.

The child was documented to have incurred injuries at birth from the vacuum c-section, compounded by a vitamin deficiency. Corroborated by multiple doctors.

But 'The Authorities' decide that it's abuse, and take the kids away from the family, and terminate their parental rights. No prior abuse, no criminal records, no previous contact with CPS.

Something is fishy here, and I wouldn't put it past discrimination.

[tammywammy]

11. And the parents fulfilled all the parenting classes demanded of them by CPS

It reeks of discrimination, but I'm not willing to bet the farm on it. I hope more information on this comes.

[WolverineDG]

24. CPS gets away with this shit every single day

You know what I mean, tammy. It's what happens when people let CPS slide & violate every Constitutional provision & law they can think of because it's "for the children."

It's not for the children, people, it's for the money.

dg

[tammywammy]

30. And you would know first hand

People on DU will cheer because there's religion involved, even when the state's violating their own laws. Sad state this is.

[WolverineDG]

31. I was at an ad litem training recently

& the state's *star* attorney got all bent out of shape because we all asked "Why not?" when he said he was sure we, as ad litems, would never approve of our ward attending a Satanic church. He got really pissed off when one ad litem said "Well, if it's a recognized church & they're not sacrificing virgins, :wtf: is your problem with it?" Then another lady piped up that she learned a lot about Wicca because CPS yanked a child from a Wiccan home & was trying to get her baptized (no shit, they thought they could get away with it), but the ad litem found a coven that would let her worship with them. That kid got sent home pronto-like.

dg

[Odin2005]

18. Something fishy here.

[WolverineDG]

25. No, typical CPS behavior

they get away with violating the law & the Constitution because it's "for the children." Not something people believe, unless they've seen CPS close up or been in their sights.

dg