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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 10:07 AM
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While claiming to support a Pub Opt, why did Obama HIRE "adviser" who wants to PRIVATIZE MEDICARE?
Edited on Tue Dec-22-09 10:16 AM by Faryn Balyncd



"Zeke Emanuel . . . health care advisor to Obama . . . http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/3684">wants to phase put Medicare . . ."
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/3684



And perhaps more importantly, what "SURPRISES" does Obama have in store for us?










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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 10:09 AM
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1. Sounds like a good freeper talking point to me...
Keep 'em coming...Feh!
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 10:17 AM
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5. Actually, it sounds like the exact opposite of a freeper talking point. Freepers favor privatization
Zeke Emanuel (and his bro) sound like the freepers here.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 10:20 AM
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6. Nope. The freepers are trying to spread FUD.
This OP is FUD.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 10:30 AM
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8. In order to truly address FUD, isn't it desirable to open our eyes, recognize REALITY...
Edited on Tue Dec-22-09 10:30 AM by Faryn Balyncd



...and act so as to effect that reality meaningfully, rather than endlessly repeating empty reassurances and waiving pom poms?





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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 11:59 AM
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13. Well, since all you did was link to other DU discussions
and to one other thing, I don't see that you actually provided any information, yourself. So, I'd ask you, what truth did you present?

How about the truth that this bill will help a lot of people? That's a truth, too. Truth is rarely single-sided.

I still call FUD.
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 10:36 AM
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10. Yup, the new "left is freeper"
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid,
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi,
all members of the Senate and House,
and President Barack Obama (and key Administration officials)

We write in strong opposition to proposals to create an entitlements or deficit-reduction commission that would override the normal legislative process and replace it with expedited procedures prohibiting amendments and limiting debate.

Those supporting this circumvention of the normal process have stated openly the desire to avoid political accountability. Americans -- seniors, women, working families, people with disabilities, young adults, children, people of color, veterans, communities of faith and others -- expect their elected representatives to be responsible and accountable for shaping such significant, far-reaching legislation.

Any deficit reduction measures should be carried out in a responsible manner, providing a fairer tax system and strengthening -- rather than slashing -- Social Security, Medicare and other programs that are vital to the middle class." And as unemployment continues to grow, we need a real debate about how to balance the need for economic recovery and productive public investment with the goal of long-term budget responsibility. The American people are likely to view any kind of expedited procedure, where most members are sidelined to a single take-it-or-leave-it vote, as a hidden process aimed at eviscerating vital programs and productive investment.

As you know, the current effort to reform the health care sector seeks to achieve reductions in Medicare spending - without cutting benefits. But the proposed budget commission - which will be viewed as a way to actually cut Medicare benefits, while insulating lawmakers from political fallout - could confuse people and undermine the reform effort. And an American public that only recently rejected privatization of Social Security will undoubtedly be suspicious of a process that shuts them out of all decisions regarding the future of a retirement system that's served them well in the current financial crisis.

We urge you to act decisively to prevent the creation of such an extraordinary and undemocratic budget commission.

Sincerely,

AFL-CIO - American Federation of Labor - Congress of Industrial Organizations

AFSCME - American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees

Alliance for Retired Americans

American Association of University Women

Campaign for America's Future

Demos

Mothers Initiative

National Association of Mother Centers

National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare

National Council of Women's Organizations

National Organization for Women

National Senior Citizens Law Center

National Women's Law Center

OWL - The Voice of Midlife and Older Women

Pension Rights Center

SEIU - Service Employees International Union

Wider Opportunity for Women

Women's Institute for a Secure Retirement

The Women's Research and Education Institute

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/liberal-groups-organize-in-opposition-to-deficit-reductionentitlement-reform-panel.php



Falsely labeling groups solidly on the left as freepers and teabaggers doesn't make you a progressive.
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 10:38 AM
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11. That's what they're trying to do long term. Paint the left as freepers.
It's really an evil plan, and it's woefully backfiring.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 12:10 PM
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14. Nope. What I'm trying to do is to say that just writing screeds about
what's going on is going to solve nothing at all. All it does is demoralize people. Most of those screeds are based only on half-truths in the first place.

There is only one solution to this, and that is to work very hard over the next six years to reconstitute the Senate and hold a substantial lead in the House. I hear lots of complaining and promulgation of FUD, and very little about practical solutions to the current obstruction by half a dozen so-called Democrats. Were it not for them, this bill would look very different.

We got what could pass today. That's all we got. We can get more, but we're going to have to work for it and work hard.

FUD is a freeper tactic. FUD is working in the wrong direction.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 10:10 AM
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2. The Long Con.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 10:11 AM
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3. The fix is in.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 10:12 AM
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4. I usually like your posts but
Edited on Tue Dec-22-09 10:33 AM by Phoebe Loosinhouse
you linked to the same thread twice and the thing of most value in that thread was a another link in your post that went to madfloridians journal - would have been better just to link to that.

why not excerpt and link directly to the 2 information sources?

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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 10:21 AM
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7. Thanks -


The first link should have been directly to madfloridians journal post regarding Zeke's position on phasing out Medicare, but had the second link incorrectly inserted.

Edited to correct link.

Thanks.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 10:34 AM
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9. Good, more will read and it's important. Zeke in the White House
makes me very very queasy.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 10:53 AM
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12. Shit, man. The WHOLE White House Cabinet ....
...favors the Privatization (destruction) of Social Security and Medicare.
Its called "Entitlement Reform".

The seed for the destruction of Medicare have been planted in the Health Care Bill (-$500 Billion).

It is NO secret that THAT is one of the main goals of the DLC.


The DLC New Team
Working Class Democrats Need NOT Apply

(Screen Capped from the DLC Website)
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 12:22 PM
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16. Don't forget privatization of public schools
What in the HELL is the matter with these people? Neoliberalism has been completely discredited, yet they keep going on promoting this shit.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 12:12 PM
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15. because he's a lying duplicitous fuckwad?
:shrug:
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