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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 12:41 PM
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Per TPM: House progressives prepare to accept Senate bill.
House Braces For Final, Painful Compromises But Leadership Confident They'll Win Over More Blue Dogs

House Democrats believe they will secure additional health care reform votes from Blue Dog Democrats thanks to the Senate's more conservative version of the legislation. And despite deep misgivings, the House Democratic leadership expects to lose few if any progressive Democratic votes over the demise of the public option, paving the way to get a final bill to President Obama's desk by Feb. 1.

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Senate Democrats have repeatedly warned that any substantive changes to the bill they will pass tomorrow night will lose the fragile 60-vote coalition they've built, and it looks like they will get their way.

"I don't see how we don't largely accede to the Senate," a House leadership aide said.

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"It's time to pass a good bill and move on" so members can start campaigning on its benefits for the 2010 midterm elections, an aide said.

The confidence that Democrats would add to the 219 members who supported their bill last month is thanks to the Senate bill being substantially less progressive than the bill the House passed in October, several aides said...


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http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/house-braces-for-final-painful-compromises-but-leadership-confident-theyll-win-over-more-blue-dogs.php?ref=fpb
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 12:42 PM
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1. The Senate rules the House? SHAME ON THEM

Back to the phones...
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 12:46 PM
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3. There was one quote from the article...
That seemed to suggest that some in the House may feel that Obama is teaming up with the Senate against them.

"Another Democratic aide told TPMDC that rank-and-file members are irritated Obama has shown more deference to his former colleagues in the Senate throughout the entire process. Still, the aide conceded that members are going to have to accept the Senate version because they are ready to be done with the fight."

I apologize for having "snipped" the article so much. It was difficult to convey the overall gist in the four paragraph minimum.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 12:53 PM
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8. and worse: the corporatists rule the senate. Shame on them is correct!
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 12:45 PM
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2. a good bill? AS IF they HAD one ROFL!!!
And I think they will regret campaigning on it's *benefits* - especially when the unions start getting the back door tax dry hump they've been targeted with.
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 12:49 PM
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4. The Congressional Progressive Caucus gets played like a board game
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 12:58 PM
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11. No backbone. They fold every time
They could take lessons from Ben Nelson.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 09:49 PM
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21. Time and time again.
Edited on Tue Dec-22-09 09:49 PM by girl gone mad
How is it that blue dogs always manage to get exactly what they want, while progressives get compromised into oblivion?
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madville Donating Member (743 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 12:50 PM
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5. If they don't agree with it they should vote against it
They need to weigh how this will benefit their constituents and not worry about the wrath of the party leadership if they oppose a bad bill. Shows you how spineless most are in Congress. It's all about the financing the next election, nothing to do with taking care of the electorate.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 12:55 PM
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9. Reelection is always priority #1.
Even for progressives, sadly.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 12:59 PM
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12. I wish there was a spiffy retort to what you wrote, but I don't think there is.
It's a sad state of affairs.
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Blasphemer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 12:50 PM
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6. Quelle suprise!
The deals were already cut. All the talk about conference has been nothing but nonsense.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 12:51 PM
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7. But, but, but we just need to get it to conference and then Obama and the WH will step in
and fix it for the American people. Honest. That's what's going to happen. Really. I read about it on DU. So it's true. It certainly is. The whole point was to just get it out of the Senate. Right? Right. It's going to be fixed. Book it. Honest. Really. Fixed. And good. Gobama!
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 01:29 PM
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15. Hey CHESSMASTERS: SHUT THE FUCK UP. You got punk'd.
All through the process, as this bill got worse and worse, we were shushed and hushed. Chill. The Big O's GOT this.

Okay, everybody - you want mustard or mayo on thais shit sandwich.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 06:39 PM
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18. Sure, it's shit now, but little by little, we'll make it better and before you know it, it will be
ice cream! Bon appetit!
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 08:50 PM
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19. Okay, that made me laugh.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 01:43 PM
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16. No kidding!
How many hundreds (seems like millions) of times have we heard that shit at this site?

"Trust us. We're the same folks who've been bending you over for the last year but we'll make it all hunky dory if you just stay out of our way..."

How could so many people be so dumb?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 12:56 PM
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 01:00 PM
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13. so much for "making it better..." n/t
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 01:20 PM
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14. Why is this being negatively recommended? This is just news. nt
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 02:06 PM
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17. Grijalva considers trading PO for earlier implementation date.
In a sign that House liberals may be bracing to swallow much of the Senate bill with minimal changes, a key House progressive suggested in an interview with me that he might be able to support a bill without a public component, if the coverage in the bill were to kick in earlier than it currently does in the Senate proposal.

Rep Raul Grijalva, who as co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus is well respected by liberals, acknowledged the potential for supporting the bill under these conditions, making public what House aides have only said privately until now.

Grijalva cautioned, however, that House liberals would continue fighting for some kind of public component and would have trouble supporting the bill unless they were handed some kind of victory.

In the inteview, Grijalva confirmed that House Dems were beginning to discuss the idea of revising the Senate bill in conference to move up the implementation date for insurance coverage and make it more in line with the earlier date in the House bill....

http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/top-house-liberal-suggests-he-could-accept-deal-on-health-care-bill/
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 09:42 PM
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20. K&R big #5 !1 n/t
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