Christian leader supports death penalty for gays

[FreeState]

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/12/21/christian-leader-supports-death-penalty-for-gays/

A far right Christian group has urged fellow Christians to support Uganda's proposed law that would make homosexuality punishable by death.

Stephen Green, leader of the Christian extremist group 'Christian Voice', remarked:

"The Bible calls for the ultimate penalty for sodomy (Lev 20:13) and for rape (Deut 22:25), and our Lord upheld the death penalty when He called for the accusers of the woman caught in adultery to cast the first stone (John 8:7) – if, that is, they were not implicated in adultery themselves.

"The contrast between our politicians and those of Uganda could not be more stark. A Parliamentarian in Uganda is trying to protect his nation's children. The House of Commons of the United Kingdom is trying to corrupt ours. Which country is the more civilised, I wonder, in the eyes of Almighty God?"

The law would impose the death penalty on those convicted of having gay sex with a minor or disabled person or someone infected with HIV.

Friends and family members of gay Ugandans who do not report them to authorities could also face up to three years in prison.

People who "promote" or assist homosexuality could be jailed for seven years. The bill would also punish Ugandan citizens who have gay sex abroad.

The bill's sponsor, David Bahati MP, has argued that it will curb HIV infections and protect the "traditional family".

It has been subject to worldwide condemnation and since the first reports emerged in mid-October and has received widespread media attention.

Stephen Green added: "What is at stake here is no less than Uganda 's status as a sovereign nation. Will they allow themselves to be bullied by Western secularists, or will they stand by their Christian values and the traditional African way of life?

"I hope and pray it will be the latter, and that the Western homosexuals and abortionists who are trying to corrupt their youth will be sent a firm message to stop their wickedness."

Christian Voice opposes abortion, homosexuality, no-fault divorce and safer sex education. Additionally it supports the death penalty and does not recognise the concept of marital rape.

On September 2nd 2006, Green was arrested while handing out what were considered by the police to be homophobic leaflets at the Cardiff Mardi Gras.

He was arrested for an alleged "homophobic incident", detained for four hours, and charged with public order offences. The Crown Prosecution Service decided to withdraw its prosecution of Green on the grounds of insufficient evidence, though the police stated that this did not "challenge the legality" of his arrest.

[AspenRose]

1. There are no words. I am speechless.

*shaking head*

[FiveGoodMen]

2. And they can back that up with quotes from their holy book

This is why xtianity must always be opposed.

It is one of the sickest mental illnesses in all human experience.

[MrCoffee]

4. Only by wildly misinterpreting said quotes

In no way at all was Christ "upholding the death penalty" against the adulterous woman. That is a willful misinterpretation.

[FiveGoodMen]

5. In case you haven't noticed, there are other parts of the bible that say different things

contradictory things

[MrCoffee]

6. Wild misinterpretation cuts both ways.

[FiveGoodMen]

7. And sometimes it cuts off people's heads

[MrCoffee]

8. Sounds like a good argument for understanding

[LynneSin]

11. Depends on what part of the bible you're reading

To me there are 3 main sections of the bible - Old testament is the history, New Testament Gospel is about Jesus and the remaining new testament is when some random was selected to be the narate of how Christianit was spread throughout the region.

You'll find that most fundie xtians base their believes on Old Testament Laws and what Paul did. For those of use more middle of the road to more progressive we actually remember this was all about Jesus. Jesus was a liberal hippy Jew that many people have found to be an amazing role model, even Ghandi. But to me the fundies ignore his message because it won't give them enough control, power and money to justify their lifestyle.

[MrCoffee]

13. Shhhh....the first rule of progressive Christianity is that we DO NOT TALK about hippie Jesus!

Your brainwashing didn't take.

[Demoiselle]

17. Exactly, Mr. Coffee. The quote to which he refers is actually:

"Let him among you who is without SIN cast the first stone."
"Sin" covers a boatload of wrongdoing, from minor to major.
I don't espouse using the bible as a excuse for anything, but, for goodness sake, if you're going to use it, Mr. Green, stop making things up!

[MrCoffee]

19. I can only classify that as a willful misinterpretation by Mr. Green.

Thank you, Demoiselle.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

24. Or at very least, and insanely stupid misinterpretation

I would say "laughably" stupid, but there's nothing laughable about this.

Regardless of how it might effect gays in Uganda, he's basically telling his followers that Jesus wants them to kills gays here in America.

[KamaAina]

48. Actually, no

he's basically telling his followers that Jesus wants them to kill gays in Great Britain. :sarcasm:

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

57. Oh. Well.. That's OK, Then.

Oy.

[Name removed]

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[Chan790]

52. So mature responsible intelligent...

Bertrand Russell-quoting Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens-reading intellectual sophisticated atheists are a-okay by you? Hint, the truth of the message is not changed by the quality of the speaker.

"If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time."

- Bertrand Russell

[LynneSin]

3. I say we support this provided that we also enact the death penalty on those who eat at Red Lobster!

Leviticus 11: 9-12 (King James Version)

9These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.

10And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:

11They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.

12Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.


________________________

I mean do you know how much fricking chlosterol is in crab and lobster? It's bad! And yet people eat this food adding to their congested arteries and impacting our health care. If we are going rule based on the laws of Leviticus then let's go balls out on it! We'll set up an electric chair right outside our local Red Lobsters and Joe's Crab Shack - kill them as they leave after their big tasty meals.

And btw for those who haven't guessed it - :sarcasm: Just pointing out the stupidity of those who use Leviticus as some form of way to create laws of the land.

[Initech]

9. Truly, truly sick, twisted, demented motherfuckers.

[Gregorian]

10. Feel the love.

Gee I wonder what Jesus would have done. Hmmm.

This person doesn't know why a lot of people celebrate Christmas. The Old Testament is OLD.

[polly7]

12. OMG

Apart from all the other horrible things he's advocating, the stupid * should go visit a few women's shelters and tell some of them there's no such thing as marital rape. Do these people live in a bubble?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

14. Proving once and for all that the only difference between Christianity and Islam is...

Christianity had the bad luck to run into the Enlightenment and be therefore seriously declawed.

Give them a chance, and they'll grow the talons back.

[LynneSin]

21. The problem is that some Xtians forgot that Jesus pretty much negated 99.9% of the old testament

I think the Ten Commandments were the only thing he kept from those books.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

22. Starting with Saul of Tarsus.

In chronological order:

OT: TEH GAY IS EVIL!!111!!!
Jesus: Gay? What's gay? I don't care about that. It's divorce that's evil.
"P"aul: TEH GAY IS EVIL!!111!!!

Xians: yep, teh gay is evil! And Ronald Reagan is a saint.

[LynneSin]

27. I read some intresting things about Saul/Paul

Like how was this guy picked over thousands of others who spread Christianity throughout the lands? One of the things about the Old Testament (aka 'the history') does is prophesize not only that Jesus would come but even John the Baptist was in there. But nowhere in the old testament was their the prophesy about a man would would go blind, change his name and spread his version of Christianity throughout the lands. Saul/Paul never even met Jesus.

So of the thousands of people who told stories or wrote books about how they spread their version of Christianity throughough the land it was Pauls that the early romans picked to include in the bible. (Romans that existed some 300 years after all of this). Perhaps Paul provided a twist on the story of Jesus that allowed the Romans to still have control over their population without taking the faith way from those same people.

Interesting.

[Caliman73]

41. Also noted...

Peter and some of the other apostles purportedly did not like Paul very much and thought he was to much of a zealot, kind of like a born again.

Paul and Augustine of Hippo are two of my least favorite of the early Christians. One was a persecuter of Christians until he had a radical change of heart. The other was a hedonistic Roman until his mom made him promise to convert on her death bed. Then he went all out against sexuality and pegged women as being at fault for men being perverted.

[MrCoffee]

43. Augustine needed a magazine rack for all his issues.

[Caliman73]

47. Yep

He was a very naughty boy who grew up into a the kind of old man who yells, "hey you kids...GET OFF MY LAWN!!".

[piratefish08]

69. Except when he didn't - Matthew 5:18-19

5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

[AndrewP]

25. Exactly

[Bluenorthwest]

15. Sick and criminal man.

But only a hair away from the rest of the hate crowd, the no equality crowd, the my God told me you are not as good as me people. We all know who they are. Green is only different by degrees. Same religion. Same discrimination.

[blueamy66]

18. Asshole. nt

[malaise]

20. Bet they don't support the death penalty

for priests and pastors who molest little girls and boys.

Fuck those fucking fuckers.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

23. you forgot the word 'extremist' in your headline

nice job of trying to make him look mainstream with your title...

sP

[FreeState]

30. Thats the title of the article - I didnt write it

which if you had clicked on the link you would have noticed,

[ProdigalJunkMail]

31. then you are simply propagating the same crap the author is

six of one...half dozen of the other...

i don't need to click links that are clearly biased from the word 'go.'

sP

[FreeState]

32. Its the largest GLBT news org in Europe but feel free to ignore my posts in the future

seriously.

Im fairly certain anyone reading that sentence knows its an extremist - people who are not extremist dont call for killing gays.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

34. why? because you picked one shitty-titled article?

i don't think anyone should be put to death...for anything...but i do think that it is a little disingenuous to title an article that way and then to pick it up propagate it. it simply shows bias against christianity in general...do you really disagree?

sP

[FreeState]

35. I dont have a bias against Christianity - Its the only article I have seen on it

so I did not pick out an article to propagate any attitude.

Im not here to fight with people so if you feel the need to control what I post or what I say here please leave me be.

Life is way to short to argue over something so trivial as this with someone I dont know. Feel free to take your anger elsewhere your now on ignore.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

37. wow -- talk about anger? perhaps you can look in the mirror on that one

there was not one angry word here...you got called on posting anti-christian BS...oh well. i guess you can ignore points you don't like. makes life easier to go through it with blinders on...good for you.

sP

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

64. "there was not one angry word here"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

That was funny.

Can you tell a "walks into a bar" one now? Or a lightbulb one?

[ThomCat]

62. Perhaps you didn't realize that you are SUPPOSED to

quote the title of the article exactly as it appears. You are not supposed to change it when you are quoting the article. So if that is the title as it appeared in the original, that is how it had to be presented here.

[FLAprogressive]

26. and all's Obama writes is a strongly worded letter to Uganda.

[seeinfweggos]

28. imagine the outrage if the headline were

gay leader calls for death penalty for christians

[MrCoffee]

36. One would hope the outrage would be exactly the same.

[seeinfweggos]

40. you mean none? other than here.

[Name removed]

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[krabigirl]

33. Wow, the UK has nutbags like this too?

[Posteritatis]

50. Their Taliban considerably predated Afghanistan's. (nt)

[Hannah Bell]

38. "if, they were not implicated in adultery themselves." -- no, if they were without SIN.

i.e., no one.

[Caliman73]

44. Bingo!!

The moral of that story was that humans do not have the right to judge and punish people as they are not perfect and are all subject to judgment from God. Now obviously we have to have some kinds of law and social contract to make civilization possible, but the point of being a good follower of Christ, according to the man himself was to live a good life in the service of others and not in judgment of others.

For those who are slow: Don't worry about how other people act, worry about your own actions.

[closeupready]

39. You can't be Christian and support a death penalty for gay people.

Mutually exclusive.

[MrCoffee]

42. True

Nor can you profess to be a Christian and support a death penalty.

[FiveGoodMen]

49. Sadly ... so VERY sadly not true.

1) Capital Punishment Crimes:



Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)



Kill Witches

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)



Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)



Kill Fortunetellers

A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)



Death for Hitting Dad

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)



Death for Cursing Parents

1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)



Death for Adultery

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)



Death for Fornication

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)



Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)



Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)



Kill False Prophets

If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)



Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)



Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)



Kill Followers of Other Religions.

1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)



2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)



Death for Blasphemy

One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)



Kill False Prophets

1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)



2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)



Infidels and Gays Should Die

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)



Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle

For the LORD had said to Moses, 'Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.' (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)



Kill People for Working on the Sabbath

The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)


http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

If Christians had rejected the Old Testament, then you could make the argument you made.

But they didn't.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

53. so sadly you chose from the Old Testament

in all but one case...a case that says they deserve death but not to actually kill them (and the death it is speaking of their is spiritual death). You miss that whole part where Jesus say a bunch of really cool stuff that a lot of Christians actually practice. You miss the stuff where Jesus is all about love...yep...you miss all that.

Good job...

sP

[FiveGoodMen]

55. Wrong again.

You may have cherry-picked the good statements in the bible, but the book and its followers insist that you have to accept the whole thing (word of god and all that), so...

“Thou Shall Not Ignore the Old Testament!”

New Testament Verses Which Demand Following the Old Testament and Law Contradictions:

I hear so many Christians now a days claim that the Old Testament is defunct for Jesus was the “lamb” to clear away its rules and regulations. This is just another bullshit scapegoat that Christians use to ignore the atrocities and bizarre laws commanded by their god. Their preachers spoon feed them that the Old Testament is no longer binding so that they can excuse the majority of evil that the bible promotes. I am so tired of Christians manipulating the scriptures so that they can assign a kinder nature to their God, that I have assembled a BRIEF list of verses which clearly show that the Old Testament is not to be ignored. Its laws should indeed be adhered to, for the New Testament demands it! After this section I shall list where the Bible contradicts itself concerning other laws.

1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.

2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

3b) "All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

3c) "Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

4) Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)

5) Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)

6) Jesus has a punishment even worse than his father concerning adultery: God said the act of adultery was punishable by death. Jesus says looking with lust is the same thing and you should gouge your eye out, better a part, than the whole. The punishment under Jesus is an eternity in Hell. (Matthew 5:27)

7) Peter says that all slaves should “be subject to masters with all fear,” to the bad and cruel as well as the “good and gentle.” This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18

8) “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,..." (John 1:17).

9) “...the scripture cannot be broken.” --Jesus Christ, John 10:35

[ProdigalJunkMail]

58. ahhh, you miss again...

take a theology class or actually try to understand some of this before quoting it...just a hint: Jesus is the accomplishment and fulfillment of the law. I bet you cannot understand that...and you cannot even see that Jesus is using the law to make his points in your 4 and 5 above...that the law condemns, but that people were following the parts of the law that THEY wanted to and ignoring the parts they didn't like (it was about hypocrisy). Oh, well, you don't want to learn; that much is clear. And you know what? That is ok...

sP

[rd_kent]

67. See post #65.

[rd_kent]

65. You can't be a christian without being a hypocrite.

Or a member of ANY religion, for that matter.

[David Zephyr]

45. Saudi Arabia has the death penalty already and they this nation's pals.

.

[SoxFan]

46. "Cardiff Mardi Gras"?

Who knew?

[spanone]

51. christian my ass

[walldude]

54. So let me see if I have this correct. The lesson this Nazi fuck took from John 8

Was not a lesson in hypocrisy it was a lesson in the death penalty for adulterers and gays? So this "pro-life" Christian is pro-death penalty, does not recognize the concept of marital rape, and thinks gays lesbians and adulterers should be MURDERED.. That about right?

Normally this is where I would post about a million rolf's but really, this isn't even funny.

[BreweryYardRat]

56. Mr. Green deserves the death penalty.

Hate-mongering fanatics are a threat to the vast majority of people who just want a peaceful life.

[cali]

59. no he doesn't.

the dp is wrong. period.

[LeftishBrit]

60. Ugggghhhhh. I wish we could ban this hate-preacher from Britain...

but unfortunately he was born here so we're stuck with him.

[Withywindle]

61. You know what? I have a lot of friends who are compassionate Christians and I respect that. BUT.

There comes a time when you have to realize that a certain text or symbol has been used to represent hate for so long, it just needs to GO.


In Chicago, there are lots of turn-of-the-century apartment buildings on the far north side with tile floors that have swastikas all over them. At the time, the swastika was, to the European-American apartment builders, nothing more than a vaguely Eastern (in vogue at the time) geometric motif. This was decades before the Nazis. It's cool that they're still there. Even the elderly European Jews living in those buildings now understand the history. Meanwhile, Hindus and some sects of Buddhists still use it as a sacred symbol--as they should. Hitler had no right to steal it from them, after all.

Can you build NEW buildings with swastikas all over the floor in the US and have it be OK? Hell no.


The Cross is pretty much at that 'swastika' point, IMO. After centuries of being used for justification to slaughter and oppress European Pagans, Asians, Muslims, Native Americans, Africans, women, religious minorities, and GLBT people, it's just at a point where, for all its historical and literary value, right now, in the West, in parts of the world that have suffered under Christian hegemony since Constantine, it is currently embued with evil energy. Not because of "god." Because of what people have done in its name. It needs a rest. And it needs to once again be left to those people whom it truly represents--minorities and political dissidents and the oppressed.

[NMMNG]

63. I'm surprised it took Stephen "Birdshit" Green this long to chime in

:puke:

[tjwash]

66. It's time to ship these motherfuckers off to Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia where this is a reality.

nt

[and-justice-for-all]

68. I liked to see him with enough balls to say that shit to my face...

this is one "Gay" who would beat his and his invisible friends ass too.

fucking prick.

[piratefish08]

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no true scotsman??