We voted for change. This is clearly not the change we voted for.

[polpilot]

An end to America's illegal occupation in the Middle East and healthcare FOR ALL was the change that many voted for and worked for in this past election. Is it time to express via mass protests (like the Iraq protests) that real changes be made. We could arrive in D.C carry suitcases with signs that read, Obama, Perform or Pack.

[Aramchek]

1. speak for yourself. you are not 'we'

[polpilot]

9. Well if you're opposed to 'change' you should be thrilled...

you got it!!

[Aramchek]

15. if you don't think this bill is an improvement from the status quo, you're not too bright

[polpilot]

19. Forward your reasoning to Dean...he'll be relieved.

[20score]

24. Ad hominem attacks. Is that the best you can do? Usually says more about the attacker than the

attackee. Why don't you try a real debate with some facts?
Good luck.

[Aramchek]

28. People who can't get insurance now will be able to get insurance once the Bill is passed

That will save lives.

To deny that is beyond ignorant. It is willfully dishonest.

[20score]

38. Mandating insurance, where people have to give money to for profit companies,

and where the government enforces payment is the definition of fascism. I'm still for improvement, if possible, but by not voicing our opinion, only corporate interests and the un-informed have a say. The left has been pushing and defending this bill, all the while giving up one thing after another. At some point we have to draw a line. This to me is worse than the status quo. My line is drawn.
This is borrowed from another blogger who said it perfectly. "It is not my job to make our elected leaders look good. It is my job as a U.S. citizen to make them act well."
And that's what I'm trying to do.
And I truly believe, if this is passed, Democrats won't have a chance with power again for a generation. The Republicans will point to this monstrosity and rightly say, "See what they did to you." And this will not be incrementally improved. If they can't get something good now with the polls where they are and all the pressure on, then nothing magical is going to happen in two years to make them see the light. The polls back me up on this. The public does not want this bill.
They do want what was being pushed six months ago.
To pass this bill is not only the wrong thing to do, it's not smart politics, either.

Since you continue to insult people who helped put Obama in power and obviously are blinded and can't see things objectively, I see no reason to address you politely next time.
Asshole:)

[PassingFair]

39. Until the cost runs the whole Magilla into the ground.

Which will probably happen BEFORE the 2014 start
date on any of this shit.

Just like the "oversight" on the credit card companies
that have raised interest rates beyond the point where
anyone would want to actually USE them.

Carte blanche to the medical and insurance industries.

[Aramchek]

43. that's what is already happening

you have your dates wrong and I doubt your predictive skills as well

[PassingFair]

45. Of COURSE it's already happening! That's why there's a CRISIS.

This bill does NOTHING TO CUT COSTS.

[Aramchek]

46. you must not have read the bill, or you would know that's a bullshit statement

[PassingFair]

47. Show me where it puts caps on what they can charge you.

The 15% above med costs doesn't mean a *ucking thing.

The Medical and Insurance Industries work in conjunction
to escalate costs.

Until we have a PUBLIC OPTION, that has enough weight and
power to NEGOTIATE RATES, like Medicare does, the costs will
continue to escalate.

It is a house of cards.

[villager]

34. +1

[goclark]

32. Speaking for myself and I got the change I thought I'd get

No one promised me a Rose Garden with my name on it.

I never imagined that it was going to be "My Way Or The Highway."

CHANGE is HARD but working together,I may see some of my dreams for America come true.

:patriot:

[villager]

2. The unreccers won't like that...!

Naughty, naughty!

[Aramchek]

3. but the haters sure will

[polpilot]

11. 'the haters'...now who are they?

[Aramchek]

18. those who oppose Obama at every turn

[polpilot]

23. I worked on the campaign, saw him accept the nomination at Invesco,

and watched him sell out to the insurance interests and escalate wars. Opposition is necessary at times; enabling and supporting his bad behavior is inexcusable.

[Aramchek]

29. your present actions are all that matters right now. and you are standing in the way of progress.

that is what is really inexcusable.

[polpilot]

42. We both know, now, that we have astoundingly different definitions of 'progress'.

[Aramchek]

44. yours appears to be that progress = Kill the Bill = Status Quo

don't delude yourself into thinking differently

[polpilot]

50. Progress = Leadership Bringing U.S. Healthcare Costs & Delivery

in line with the rest of the world. The U.S. ranks 37th; France ranks #1 in the world's health systems. Does this bill replicate the successful countries model? Is France planning on replacing aspects of their system with the designs in this new bill? I don't think so.

[tblue]

49. Please explain because I don't get that at all. nt

[villager]

35. they're also so hyper-defensive... it kinda makes you wonder...

n/t

[LostInAnomie]

4. Haha... protests.

That's rich.

[kctim]

5. True

MANY DID vote for those things. However, MOST did not and it would be nice if we could all work together instead of this all or nothing cowboy BS.

[Jersey Devil]

6. Yes, we could put on a show - in the garage

The kids would love it and they'd all buy tickets! Judy could sing!

[Odin2005]

7. Betrayed, I feel.

(sorry, couldn't resist a Star Wars crack like the OP's)

[FiveGoodMen]

8. This is not even the compromise that we should reasonably have expected

This is several dozen knives in the back almost at once.

[polpilot]

16. I feel like I have no more room for knives in my back...not even a small knife.

[FiveGoodMen]

17. You and me, both!

[newlib]

10. obama is just paying off his most impt. contributors - he knows

you have nowhere to go in 2010/12. he isn't worried about minor defections. they know what they're doing. he'll begin
wooing you starting in Jan. and it will work.

it is no longer realistically possible for a liberal to get elected and be allowed to bring meaningful change. if you want
liberal policies, then pressure congress for publicly-financed elections -- and good luck, because that isn't going to happen.

face it. our country's best days may well have ended when your parents were in their prime.

[tblue]

12. Some of us just expect too damned much.

So we're supposed to stfu. Our disappointment is our problem. Nobody cares how we feel. I'm sorry, sweetie.

What's freaking me out is how many people feel this way, and what this bodes for upcoming elections.

[polpilot]

27. Expecting competent principled leadership is now too much to expect.

I think the results are much darker than Axelrod believes.

[phasma ex machina]

54. +1

[treestar]

13. You were looking for a Messiah

You got a human being.

Perform what? Magic tricks? And don't give me the crap about "fighting" Lieberman, twisting his arm, and all the rest of it.

[tblue]

21. I'd settle for a liberal Democrat with conviction.

Or even one who said, "No I really can't, but it won't be my fault." I'd respect that.

[polpilot]

31. Well...it is Christmas. perform- to carry out, execute, do (As in 'what you promised')

He's already performed the 'bait and switch' trick. And he's taking it on the road!!

[HughMoran]

33. Utopia

& all I got was a topiary.

:P

[Edweird]

14. Well, to be fair, change for the worse is still technically 'change'.

[SOCALS]

20. It has only been 11 months, you know

[NNN0LHI]

22. What state are you in?

[polpilot]

36. CO

[cbdo2007]

25. This is exactly the realistic change I voted for.

Your fault if you voted for unrealistic expectations with an extremely simplistic view of reality.

[polpilot]

37. Then you should be pleased with yourself.

[20score]

48. I call bullshit! Prove it! Show us in writing that this is what you expected.

Come on Mr. Smarter than Thou, lets see a link.

Or an apology for the lie.

[tblue]

55. Oh so that's the problem! (slaps forehead)

We were unrealistic to think "Yes We Can" really meant "Yes We Can Meet Realistic Expectations, and if you expect anything more, it's your fault."

But I'm not so sure that's a winning slogan.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

26. I don't know about you...

...but I voted for fewer cats superglued to the highway, and I am disappointed.

[polpilot]

40. I'm glad somebody brought this up. There does seem to be an increase.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

52. Why hasn't Obama done anything about this? Is he too busy to care about kittens? n/t

[polpilot]

53. Kitten care IS in the healthcare bill. I'm sure of it!!

[HughMoran]

30. White picket fence

.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

41. When were those things promised?

I think you're confused.

[spanone]

51. meh