And today it appears much like a slowing, sadly waving ..........

[Stinky The Clown]

..... white flag from the senate progressives.

Bernie Sanders comes first to mind.

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[BeFree]

9. I want free

Health care is a right, right?

I know a bunch of people who have gotten free health care.

If you were offered free HC would you turn it down?

[anarch]

13. I want a publicly funded, not for profit system

into which I would be happy to pay my fair share, so that we can all go to the damn doctor without breaking the bank or having to choose between food and medicine. But I guess I'd have to move to some kind of communist country for that.

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[Stinky The Clown]

25. Of course no one would turn it down.

But who is seriously asking for free health care?

You're avoiding the question. Making my initial assertion true. On this point, you're full of shit.

[BeFree]

26. Of course

So what is your problem then? Bernie has put money up for lots of free clinics and by gawd, that's a good thing. I've even had free health care provided, and that's a good thing.

So, what is your problem again? White flag for what?

[Stinky The Clown]

27. The progressives are all worn out and out of options

They are reluctantly waving the white flag and will all vote for this bill.

The intent of the OP was to empathize and sympathize with the liberals. Like Bernie.

You cite the existence of some free health care. And that's all fine.

But who is ASKING for it? That was my question to you.

[BeFree]

29. Gawd

Look at all the deletes on your thread. Someone got sensitive, eh?
Proud of yourself, stinky?

[Stinky The Clown]

31. Well, since all of that involved you and none of it involved me, I'd ask you the same question

Proud of yourself?

[BeFree]

33. Shit

All I did was ask a friggin question.
Didn't tell anyone I'd kill them or stick anything up their ass or any other way attack or malign an individual. But you did, eh?

And it took the mods 40 minutes to get rid of the death attack and then poof yours and mine all gone 10 minutes later.

No. Not proud or happy.

[Horse with no Name]

8. I don't mind paying

In fact--I don't mind paying the identical rates I am paying right now.
What I DO mind, is that the excessive premiums are lining the pockets of CEO's instead of taking care of other American's who do NOT have healthcare.
I haven't talked to ANYONE who expects ANY of this to be free...except for those that are using scare tactics about the eevils of "socialized medicine".:shoe-fits-wear-it-icon:

[Blue_In_AK]

18. +1

[FiveGoodMen]

2. If I were Bernie, I'd just vote no.

We may lose, but it doesn't help to surrender.

[BeFree]

23. Thank Gawd

You're not Bernie. Not even close. Never would be.

Say, run for Senator, then you can vote no.

[BeFree]

30. It would take five of you, fer sure.

[tridim]

4. Did you ever stop to consider that maybe he's right?

And you're wrong?

Can you at least admit it's within the realm of possibility that this bill may be better than you assume?

[Stinky The Clown]

6. Sure

It is also possible for pigs to fly.

[tridim]

10. Nice 4th grade response.

So I guess your answer is no.

I know it may come as a shock stinky, but you're not smarter than everyone in Congress.

[Stinky The Clown]

14. Nice fourth grade stick in the eye from you to start this.

Your response proved what, exactly? That you disagree with me? You know full well where I stand. Why the need to even reply? Do I fascinate you that much?

As if no one knew that before.

[tridim]

15. I asked you a serious question.

And you came back with nothing of any substance.

What happened to you? You didn't used to act like this.

[Stinky The Clown]

19. You didn't ask a serious question.

If you did, I'd probably answer. But you didn't. You saw this as an attack on Obama and/or unreasonably asking for a pony. I have my rep. I deal with it. You have yours.

:shrug:

[cali]

7. simple minded little pile of dog shit. shocking coming from you.

:rofl:

[Stinky The Clown]

11. And there you are. Right on cue, sniffing it.

[cali]

17. simply calling it like it is, stinky darling.

who to believe? A stinky clown poster or Bernie Sanders? Gee, that's a tough one, stinky.

[Stinky The Clown]

22. "darling"

You care! I KNEW it.


SMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCH

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

12. Bernie took heathcare pork for Vermont.

[cali]

16. bzzzzt. wrong. bernie got $10 billion for CHCs for all the states

and CHCs provide greatly needed care. Vt will, at the most get 2 new CHCs. Hundreds of others will be created. CHCs provide primary care, mental health care and dental. If you have insurance, great. If you don't, pay is on a sliding scale. No one is turned away.

Anyone who calls this pork, is simply ignorant.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

34. I'm not talking about the CHCs which are wonderful. I'm referring to

Medicaid funds being given to Vermont.

My Senators, Schumer and Gillebrand, being on board for HCR had no leverage and NY will get royally screwed if the bill passes.

Paterson was also bitter that states like Massachusetts and Vermont, which were also generous, got last-minute deals that erase their extra costs.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/12/22/2009-12-22_ny_pols_senates_plan_would_close_clinics_threaten_hosps_cost_1b_disgrace_of_a_he.html#ixzz0aXvUEiUx

I read that the figure for Vermont and Massachusetts is $1.2 Billion

[EFerrari]

20. When this is the best deal a good man can make, that's a shame. n/t

[Stinky The Clown]

24. That's exactly what I felt watching him on Matthews' show.

[lunatica]

28. In defense of Bernie Sanders

His 'backroom deal', once he realized it was the best that was going to be passed got the American people 10 Billion dollars for community health centers nationwide. For all 50 States. Not just Vermont. That's no white flag. It may be even a brilliant move. And he will continue to fight for it to be better for a long time.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/12/22/health.care.favors/

edited to add link

[Stinky The Clown]

32. This thread was all baout defense of Bernie .... and all the others who have been worn down ......

...... by a well monied lobby and some closed door deals made long ago.