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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 07:49 PM
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Investors flock to health insurance stocks
now you know where you can put your money!



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"All in all, relative to the last version of health reform issued by the Senate, things have turned out pretty well for the health insurance industry," said Carl McDonald, an analyst at Oppenheimer. "In particular, all versions of a government-run health plan have largely been eliminated."


...since Oct. 27, 2009:

* Coventry Health Care, Inc. is up 31.6 percent;
* CIGNA Corp. is up 29.1 percent;
* Aetna Inc. is up 27.1 percent;
* WellPoint, Inc. is up 26.6 percent;
* UnitedHealth Group Inc. is up 20.5 percent;
* And Humana Inc. is up 13.6 percent.



The rise in stock prices has been particularly striking in the period since Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) said on October 27 that he would filibuster a Senate health care reform bill if it included a public option - a threat that caused Senate leaders to cave without much of a fight. Thanks to Lieberman's threat, health insurance companies dodged a major competitor that could have lowered margins, siphoned off customers and impacted profits.

By comparsion, the Dow Jones Industrial Average is only up 2.3 percent during that time; the NASDAQ Composite is up a (relatively) paltry 1.4 percent.

www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/21/seeing-public-subsidy-not_n_399733.html


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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 07:53 PM
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1. The institutionalization of private insurance
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 07:56 PM
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2. Nailed it
They didn't put all this effort into the "win" to see it easily undone by some pest called "single-payer". These laws make private insurance an permanent integrated component to the system.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 08:03 PM
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3. and some DUers are still cheerleading this piece of shit bill?
SHAME
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 08:10 PM
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6. some put glitter on a turd and call it a diamond
hoping you cannot smell the turd.
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 08:16 PM
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7. Maybe these DUers own stock
in the health insurance industry?
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 08:06 PM
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4. You should look at this chart at the same time
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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 08:19 PM
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8. Interesting piece and comments that follow. Thanks for posting!
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 08:24 PM
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10. The period from Summer 2009 to the present is what matters here
Edited on Tue Dec-22-09 08:54 PM by rollingrock
and that part of your graph shows a sharp increase in health insurance stocks.

The period of time BEFORE Summer 2009 is entirely irrelevant, because it was not effected in any way by the current healthcare bill. The big downturn in your graph before Summer 2009 was caused by the RECESSION, and the WHOLE STOCK market was in decline at that time, not just health insurance.

...so your graph is misleading and wholly irrelevant to the discussion, as it relates to the current healthcare bill.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 10:39 PM
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12. I don't think we know what affects the stock market
Edited on Tue Dec-22-09 10:41 PM by frazzled
It's just a big casino; gambling. I don't really believe there's much rationality to it at all. You could just as well link the cause of the rise in insurance stocks to the recent drop in temperatures, to the post-thranksgiving decrease in Turkey sales, or to Beyonce's latest record. Who the hell knows.

Or, here's an idea: maybe the rise is due to the insurance companies trying to get all they can in before regulations kick in. Very interesting. Because when the bill passes, if they try to jack prices or kick people out they will be subject to regulatory review and banned from participation in the exchanges ... before the exchanges are even up.

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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 11:01 PM
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13. Regardless of what you think may have caused
the downturn spike prior to Summer 2009...what in the world does that got to do with the current healthcare bill?? how in the world does the health insurance prices back in 2005 relate to the prices in December 2009? do you have a point to make at all?
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 11:12 PM
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14. Not my point ... the points were at the link
But then, I should know better than to put links in posts.
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phasma ex machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 08:09 PM
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5. Deleted
Edited on Tue Dec-22-09 08:15 PM by phasma ex machina
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 08:20 PM
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9. I'm waiting for one rumor to come out of the reconciliation to buy up some more CI and UNH

There will be something rumored to give a nice quick drop on these.
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 08:50 PM
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11. When the bill passes
their stock prices will go up even higher....explode, in fact.

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