What Else Did Obama Not Run On?

[andyrowe]

Just curious as to what else I may have been misinformed about concerning his platform.

[rug]

1. He did not run on not bombing Yemen.

[lonestarnot]

33. He did not run on not bombing Pakistan.

[andyrowe]

36. Actually he did run on that one.

He made a major defense policy speech in effect saying, "If UBL was kicking it in Pakistan and they didn't do something about it, we will."

[FarLeftFist]

2. He did not run on making scientology our national religion

Promise kept

[FarLeftFist]

5. He did not run on de-escalating the Afghan war.

Edit: replied to myself. Didn't mean to.

[andyrowe]

12. i guess it really could be worse

n/t

[AngryAmish]

3. Did not run on leaving Gitmo open indefinately

[Laelth]

I too would like a good list. I am not fond of surprises. n/t

Kill the bill.

Forcing people to buy insurance is no more the answer to a failed health care system than forcing people to buy houses is the solution to homelessness.

:dem:

-Laelth

[laughingliberal]

10. Let's all write and ask him to let us know what other issues he did not run on nt

[andyrowe]

14. Agreed. Didn't enjoy being blindsided

with this public option 180.

[Thickasabrick]

18. LOL.....I wish I hadn't been drinking something when I read that.

:rofl:

[DJ13]

4. Bank reform, NAFTA

[Oregone]

6. The NAFTA (non) promise is a stinger

[DJ13]

7. Maybe those Canadians were right that he wasnt telling the truth

:shrug:

[boppers]

19. He did not run on cancelling NAFTA

Much to the chagrin of people who equate "negotiations" with "elimination".

[Oregone]

22. Text to where I said "Cancel"?

He promised to renegotiate it, in tougher language than Clinton did. Then the Canada leak came

[boppers]

24. Text to where I said you did?

And "tougher" means... what? I recall him talking about environmental and labor conditions changes, not any major restructuring.

http://articles.sfgate.com/2009-02-20/news/17190753_1_beggar-thy-neighbor-policies-austan-goolsbee-nafta

[Oregone]

26. "talking about environmental and labor conditions changes, not any major restructuring"

LOL, did you just type that? :)

What was actually said:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23354734/page/5/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23354734/page/6/

Note:

Sen. Clinton: No. I will say, we will opt out of NAFTA unless we renegotiate it. And we renegotiate it on terms that are favorable to all of America.

....

Sen. Obama: I will make sure that we renegotiate in the same way that Senator Clinton talked about, and I think actually Senator Clinton's answer on this one is right. I think we should use the hammer of a potential opt-out as leverage to ensure that we actually get labor and environmental standards that are enforced.





Read the ENTIRE thing and figure out the CONTEXT. They aren't talking about a few piddly changes. They are talking about a devastating trade agreement spreading hardship throughout the country that they will quit unless it is fixed. Read it.


Shortly thereafter, we learned BOTH Clinton and Obama contacted Canada and said...basically..."just kidding".

[boppers]

29. Thanks... but Obama's still saying minor labor & environment changes.

The "opt-out" is leverage for those changes.

They both weren't serious about actually opting out, such a thing would devastate the US economy... too much change, too fast. She was talking about making bigger changes, he was talking about smaller ones. She lost, he won.

That's how I read it, anyways.

[Oregone]

30. LOL. Right. Minor changes to a "bad bill" that is devastating American workers

Im lauging my ass off over here.



And at the end of the day, he didn't even mean that. Google "NAFTA OBAMA DEBATE CANADA LEAK"

[boppers]

31. Aren't you up north of me, in Canada?

Wow, just googled it, seems that Canada totally freaked out... are worker/environmental conditions bad up there?

Or is this more about unskilled labor being so much cheaper (and exploited) in Mexico?

[Oregone]

32. You don't get it. The leak: Obama told Canada he was lying in the debate

Canada did not freak out. They knew he was lying to get elected

[boppers]

34. You're equating a leverage threat with a lie?

Did I get it right this time?

[Oregone]

35. No, Im equating a lie with a lie

Obama never intended to reopen NAFTA. He never intended to use leverage. He told Canada this PRIOR to the debate.

[boppers]

37. We've moved from "renegotiate" to "reopen"?

Obama never intended to fundamentally change NAFTA, beyond a few points of contention.

That's what you seem to be missing.

[Oregone]

38. He never intended to change it at all, and thats what you are missing.

And yes, "re-open" is language he used when talking to Canada (assuring he would not do so). It is synonymous in this instance.

[MannyGoldstein]

8. Working For The Middle Class, the Rule of Law, Equality For Gays nt

[laughingliberal]

9. He did not run on change

He might have run on hope as in hope you all survive my presidency. And, hey, thanks for your vote.

[donheld]

27. If you'd have been listening close enough

you'd have heard him interject "chump" before he said change. :shrug:

[laughingliberal]

40. Lol!

Gallows humor always gets me

[unkachuck]

11. and he didn't run as a Republican....n/t

[CAG]

13. he did not run on smothering kittens....

although I wouldn't mind if he did something to cats

[andyrowe]

23. whoa!

:hide:

[Barack_America]

15. Habeas corpus.

Apparently.

[jgraz]

16. He never promised to not nuke Berkeley

I guess I'm fucked.

[glitch]

17. Good question. Perhaps someone in the corporate media will ask him just that. nt

:rofl:

[girl gone mad]

20. Banking reform..

cleaning up TARP, going after the Wall St. fat cats.

Pretty sure he didn't run on any of that.

[WT Fuheck]

21. He never said nothing aobut leaving Iraq.

He didn't make no damned promises about rolling back bush's tax cuts.

He didn't promise to create teh number one green economy in the world.

In fact, I don't remember one damn thing he *did* promise now that you mention it.

So get off his unpromisin' ass!

[notesdev]

25. He did not run on "change"

nor "hope"

made no mention of keeping lobbyists out of his administration

nor to negotiate the health care bill in public

nor to allow re-importation of drugs

didn't hear a thing about habeus corpus

[PurityOfEssence]

28. Secularism, Financial Regulation, Pacifism...

He's been studiously vague on many things. To many of his strongest supporters, this very slipperiness is part of his greatness.

[Wardoc]

39. Simple. He did not not choose to not say he wouldn't not do it. Hope that clarifies! :)