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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 09:24 AM
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MJ: Gun Owner Nabbed Near Obama Was Bush Employee
Edited on Wed Dec-23-09 09:36 AM by mod mom
Gun Owner Nabbed Near Obama Was Bush Employee

The man who was arrested with two guns and hundreds of rounds of ammunition near the Capitol during President Barack Obama's health care speech in September had been an employee of the George W. Bush White House. The arrest of the man, Joshua Bowman, was widely reported at the time, but the news stories made no mention of his previous employment: For several years he worked in the Executive Office of the President, dealing with tech issues, including White House emails, his lawyer, George Braun, tells Mother Jones.

On the night of September 9, Bowman was on his way to meet Braun, a Bush administration political appointee, at the National Republican Club on First Street, SE when he was stopped by Capitol Police around 7:45 p.m.—minutes before Obama was scheduled to deliver a major address to Congress pushing his health care initiative. Bowman had driven up to a security checkpoint and told officers he wanted to park, but his lack of a permit for the area aroused their suspicions, and they asked to search his car.



The previous weekend, Bowman and Braun had gone duck-hunting, according to Braun. But Bowman forgot that he still had the guns in his car when he consented to a search of his vehicle, a Honda Civic with a bumper sticker proclaiming, "I'll keep my guns, freedom, and money.... you keep the change." The officers found a Beretta 12 gauge automatic shotgun, a .22 caliber long rifle, and over 400 rounds of ammunition in Bowman's trunk. The guns were unloaded and in their cases, according to court records. Braun says they were disassembled. The Capitol Police took Bowman into custody and charged him with two counts of possession of an unregistered firearm and one count of unlawful possession of ammunition. He faced up to $3,000 in fines and as much as three years in jail. (The case is still pending.)

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Braun suggested that Bowman was only caught with the guns because he was used to having a White House security pass and expected to be able to park near the Capitol. He probably wouldn't have been stopped and searched by Capitol Police if he had still had the pass. He had left government employ just a few weeks earlier, having landed a high-paying job at Northrop Grumman. "He hung out for a long time. He worked for a Republican administration and he was pretty much the last person in the Democratic administration. It's not that he thought the new administration was right or wrong—it's called 'a year and a day,' and Josh was there for six," Braun said, referring to the Washington tradition of working a government job for long enough to put it on your resume and then leaving for a higher-paid private sector gig.

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http://motherjones.com/mojo/2009/12/joshua-bowman-gun-charges-bush-white-house-employee

WHAT I DON'T GET IS THE ARTICLE ENDING W "It seems pretty clear that Bowman wasn't planning anyone any harm when he drove to Capitol Hill in September. Braun claims the Secret Service was unconcerned about the incident (no federal charges were filed) because they knew Bowman from his years in the White House" HE ASSUMED HIS CAR WOULDN'T BE CHECKED AND HE HAD A CAR FULL OF WEAPONS. THROW THE BOOK AT HIM!
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 09:27 AM
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1. White House emails?
His ass is potentially in a sling, isn't it?

Sounds like he had a motive to do something I don't want to mention.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 09:32 AM
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3. Yes - but a shotgun nor .22 rifle are exactly "Choice Weapons"
to commit an assault on the president. - Personally I think it is a bit of a stretch

Had they been a 7mil rifle with 6x scope and a semiautomatic handgun, that would be an entirely different story
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 09:35 AM
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8. Adapting the immortal words of Rummy,
Edited on Wed Dec-23-09 09:36 AM by Sanity Claws
You go to _____ with the guns you have, not the ones you wish you had.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 09:39 AM
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10. If this guy can afford a Beretta 12 ga he can afford an AR45
Edited on Wed Dec-23-09 09:47 AM by FreakinDJ
Berettas are a very expensive weapon



Our Low Price: $1,024.00

Sorry - I think MJ's spin on the story of a possible assassination attempt is a bit out there


AR45 with Silencer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hbxv-FtkS_E


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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 09:53 AM
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16. How easy is it to get these things?
If they are not easy to get or if you are acting on an impulse, then you use what you have.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 10:06 AM
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18. You are assuming those are the ONLY weapons he has
My point is given the expense of a Berretta it most likely is not.

Berretta is more of a "Hunting Connoisseur's Weapon of Choice for Duck Hunting" It just doesn't fit the profile of an assassin much less crazed former Bush employee's weapon of choice. Both are merely opinions, but as you can see from the rest of the thread I am not alone is this belief
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 10:27 AM
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20. Not really
He could have other guns but perhaps he feels most comfortable with these.
Do you know how difficult it is to get the items you mentioned? I have never purchased a weapon but understand that it is difficult to get certain items, particularly in the DC area.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 10:41 AM
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21. Article making a "Fairly LARGE Leap of Faith" in thier assumptions
Sorry - you have to realize we are on the same side here. Its just that the article is making some HUGE assumptions here

1. For having worked previously for the Bush Administration I am quite sure he is uniquely familare with security procedures and knows very well there is just no way he could smuggle / conceal a 4 foot long Shotgun or rifle within several 1000 yards of the POTUS

2. The effective range of the Shotgun is way less then 100 yards, the .22 cal rifle is much longer maybe 300 yards but its "Stopping Power" / "Knock Down Force" is neglegable.

Its not so much that he could have been thinking of a suicide mission as much as him thinking of the odds of him actually getting a shot off, much less that shot being effective.

Sorry - with those weapons the odds are just way too stacked up against him
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 10:43 AM
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22. dude you do realize that right next to DC is Virginia, a gun buyers paradise thank you
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 09:30 AM
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2. Does one hunt ducks w a Beretta 12 gauge automatic shotgun? (A real ? for gun owners)
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 09:35 AM
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7. Yes, a 12 gauge is a common bird hunting weapon
You can load in light shot (bird shot... like firing a bunch of BBs), buckshot (larger balls used in deer hunting), or slugs. It would not be an effective weapon for trying to hit a heavily secured target.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 09:37 AM
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9. Yes - that is a great weapon for "Duck Hunting"
but a lousy choice for an assault on the president

Too Big and Bulky to conceal in any type of way. doesn't shoot fast enough. Does the article mention what type of ammo he had for the shotgun? Typically #4 copper pellets are great for ducks flying a bit high. #00 Buck or slugs are more of an assault round for that type of gun
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 09:42 AM
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13. Yes.
If you can afford it.

I think migratory bird regulations would require that the magazine be plugged so it can hold no more than 3 rounds.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 09:50 AM
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15. Yes .... both the shotgun and the .22 are good for hunting
The shotgun for birds & rabbits and the .22 is good for squirrel hunting.



Although he is an idiot to be riding around w/ the guns in his car.
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 10:47 AM
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24. Yes. The Beretta Xtreama is THE waterfowl gun. nt
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OmahaBlueDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 09:33 AM
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4. While certainly potentially lethal, neither a .22 or a 12 gauge would be considered "high powered"
Both weapons were found in the trunk; they are both weapons 100% consistent with duck hunting; and they were broken down, in the case.

If he'd been forund with a Galil snipers rifle, a .44 magnum auto mag, a Tec-9, or an Uzi, I'd be more concerned. This actually sounds like he's telling the truth.
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 09:33 AM
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6. +1000
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 09:33 AM
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5. "HIGH POWER WEAPONS" You hunt much?
12 gauge shotgun and 22 long rifle.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 09:40 AM
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11. Absolutely not-I corrected my post. Still leaving weapons in a car, in a city known for crime
warrants a punishment!
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 09:42 AM
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12. lol i guess if you leave your purse in your car in a city known for crime then you should be punish
punished, after all the criminal could use the casha dn credit cards from your purse to buy a weapon or some other bad thing...
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 11:28 AM
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28. a big difference between a purse & 400 rounds of ammo & 2 guns.
Edited on Wed Dec-23-09 11:29 AM by mod mom
:eyes:

BTW your signature line is very revealing.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 01:11 PM
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29. Yes, that signature line is very revealing.
Some Whovian.

While daleks can't really climb stairs, they certainly could levitate. Then again, I'm not sure when in the series they're shown to have that skill. Certainly by the Hand of Omega episodes with McCoy.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 09:46 AM
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14. At most, he's guilty of being extremely stupid.
Exactly the kind of person who should be armed. :sarcasm:
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 09:54 AM
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17. 400 rounds of ammunition to go on a duck hunting trip?
Shame on them ducks.

Don
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 10:10 AM
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19. .22 cal comes in boxes of 50 or 100 rounds
It doesn't say what caliber the ammunition was. Having 300 rounds of ammo for a .22 is not uncommon as they are mostly used for taget practice and "plinking cans"
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 11:04 AM
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27. You can buy bricks of 500 rounds of 22 nt
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 11:03 AM
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26. 400 rounds is no biggie
If he likes to shoot trap or skeet.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 10:44 AM
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23. Whoah ..."It seems pretty clear ...."
:wtf:
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Tim01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 10:49 AM
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25. It sounds like he is used to ignoring the rules, and got caught this time. nt
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