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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 01:23 PM
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Robert Scheer: Demonizing Dean Won’t Absolve This Health Care Sham
Edited on Wed Dec-23-09 01:48 PM by madfloridian
Thanks to Robert Scheer for pointing out the obvious.

Demonizing Dean Won’t Absolve This Health Care Sham

How dare a progressive suggest a vote against the Senate health bill? When Howard Dean did just that last week he was roundly condemned for casting aspersions on what even many of its more ardent supporters admit is an obviously flawed bill. Instead of focusing their wrath on the few obstructionists in the Senate who blackmailed the majority into dropping a much-needed public option in order to avoid a filibuster, they made Dean the villain for daring to suggest that passage of this deeply compromised legislation might make the nation’s health care system worse.

Dean deserves much better, and his concerns as a physician and a progressive politician are worthy of serious attention. As the former governor noted in a Washington Post Op-Ed article last week: “I have worked for health-care reform all my political life. In my home state of Vermont, we have accomplished universal health care for children younger than 18 and real insurance reform—which not only bans discrimination against preexisting conditions but also prevents insurers from charging outrageous sums for policies as a way of keeping out high-risk people. I know health reform when I see it, and there isn’t much left in the Senate bill. I reluctantly conclude that, as it stands, this bill would do more harm than good to the future of America.”


There is more, and it is nice to see a defense of Dean when even sites like Truth Out and Buzzflash are coming out against him for speaking out about health care.

The devil is in the details, and the devil’s scribe here is Joe Lieberman—and, by extension, the insurance companies he so faithfully represents. Lieberman was responsible for striking a public option and Medicare buy-in from the Senate legislation that now includes no effective restraints on the power of the big insurers that have created our health care monstrosity. The insurance companies know they have won big, as reflected in the dramatic increase in their stock valuations in recent weeks as the Senate bill came to exclude all forms of the public option.

The likelihood that even the anemic public option will not appear in the final bill was made clear Tuesday when President Barack Obama dismissed the option provision, which the House bill still includes, as nothing more than “a source of ideological contention between the left and right,” adding in an interview with The Washington Post, “I didn’t campaign on the public option.” True, but he did campaign against Hillary Clinton’s plan to mandate insurance coverage as the Senate bill does. As Obama put it in Wisconsin in February 2008: “I believe the reason people don’t have health care isn’t because no one’s forced them to buy it. It’s because no one’s made it affordable.”

The biggest problem is that the legislation passed by the Senate forces Americans, under penalty of law, to make a decision about an expenditure of their own funds that they may not feel is in their interest. The carrot of a publicly financed option has been eliminated, and thus tens of millions of Americans are left with the stick of an expensive insurance obligation that they may not be able to afford.


There is an ad that I tried to post in the video section. Yet it says You Tube says it is not available.

Here is a post about the ad from Salon.com.

Liberal group goes after Obama in new ad

With liberals getting progressively more upset with President Obama, it was only a matter of time before someone started running ads about it. One group, the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, is doing just that, hitting him for earlier statements he'd made about healthcare reform: Specifically, promising a public option and opposing a mandate that would force people to buy insurance.

The ad's going to be running in Washington, D.C., as well as in Wisconsin -- the latter is an attempt to change liberal Sen. Russ Feingold's vote, Sam Stein reports. Notably, it goes right at the heart of Obama's appeal during the presidential campaign, saying at the end, "A bill without a public option is not change we can believe in."


I can't post the ad from You Tube. It says not available. Yet here is the ad running right now at You Tube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acc6Wn_BWlk

I think it is wrong for the president not to tell the truth about his promises last year.

Yet they had the nerve to demonize someone who spoke out honestly against the bill.

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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 01:38 PM
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1. its a done deal. the goal is to get something better down the road from politicans who want better
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 01:41 PM
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2. The House won't even fight for the public option or Medicare buy in.
They have a chance now, but even though progressives outnumber Blue Dogs in the House, their beliefs still hold sway.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 01:49 PM
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3. We outnumber the Blue Dogs....but we DON'T outnumber the Blue Dogs and the New Dems combined...
The "New Dems" are on the take, too.

But they will let the Blue Dogs appear to be the only bad guys.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 12:22 AM
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20. But there are enough to keep questionable things from passing.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 03:35 AM
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22. WTF makes you think something will be better down the road?
do you realize the power and profits the insurance companies get from this sham will kill any potential improvements? Heck, they are only getting STARTED.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 08:33 AM
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26. Good luck with that. The will is gone. No-one will want to "re-visit" this bear of a topic, EVER.
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icee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 09:41 AM
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31. Not a chance in hell..........
dd
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 01:52 PM
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4. Just tried again to post the ad from You Tube.
Edited on Wed Dec-23-09 01:54 PM by madfloridian
Won't let me.

?

You Tube says not available.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 02:27 PM
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10. Wonder why the video won't post.
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 06:41 AM
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25. I just tried, it did the same thing to me.
Thanks for all your effort on this site.
Keep your chin up!
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 01:57 PM
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5. K&R
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 02:01 PM
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6. The distraction of the day is Jane Hamsher. Pathetic. n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 02:02 PM
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7. I love Jane Hamsher. She's a brave lady.
I guess one has to be tough to speak out anymore.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 02:04 PM
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8. Yes, that seems to be the deal.
lol

:yourock:
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 02:11 PM
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9. It's always been that way
Pink Floyd ~ Fearless

You say the hill's too steep to climb
Chiding
You say you'd like to see me try
Climbing
You pick the place and I'll choose the time
And I'll climb the hill in my own way
Just wait a while for the right day
And as I rise above the tree-lines and the clouds
I look down, hear the sound of the things you said today

Fearlessly The Idiot faced the crowd
Smiling
Merciless The Magistrate turns 'round
Frowning
And who's the fool who wears the crown?
Go down in your own way
And everyday is the right day
And as you rise above the fear-lines in his brow
You look down, hear the sound of the faces in the crowd
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 03:31 PM
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11. Thanks, had not heard that.
:hi:
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 10:22 PM
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17. Love that whole album
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 04:48 PM
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12. Damn straight Skippy!
:toast: K&R
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 04:52 PM
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13. Yep...
No matter how much they go after him, it does not make this bill better.

:hi: Julie
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 04:56 PM
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14. Dean will be proven right. Again.
Quoth the Doctor:

"We didn't elect Democrats to pass crap legislation."
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 06:37 PM
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15. "Corporatists" and "libbruls"
On a post about Howard on Raw Story, someone was speculating that Howard had changed his mind due to the threat from
his corporate masters that he might be out of a job if didn't get with the program.

Some people either don't get it, or don't want to.

Howard has no "masters," corporate or otherwise, and he has no job they can get him fired from. He speaks out on the issue
as he sees it, and if the possibilities seem to change with the wind, what with people in the Senate making deals left, right
and behind everyone's back, then so will Howard's (and everyone else's) take on the state of things at any one moment. The
fact that Howard is beholden to exactly nobody right now is what drives the White House and some Senators nuts right now.
They don't have anything against Howard saying what's on his mind--unless he happens to be saying it every two hours on some
TV talk show or newscast. Then they go ballistic. Maybe--just maybe--they should take a moment to ask themselves just WHY
all these media talking heads WANT to hear what Howard says, and just why it is that what Howard has to say gets taken more
seriously than what ANY of the others has to say, right or left?

It seems that some (not all, by any means) just toss out "corporatist" at anyone who says something they disagree with, just
like the nut cases on the far right (which seems to be most of them) call people who disagree with them "libbruls."
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 09:34 PM
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16. Raw Story is not a good source when it comes to Dean.
This time even Truth Out and Buzzflash came out against him.

The talking points are infiltrating even our left blogs.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7298852
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 05:51 AM
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23. I was responding to one of the comments, not the story itself
Edited on Thu Dec-24-09 05:51 AM by DFW
I have nothing against rational arguments, but that "rational" bit seems to be a sticking point. I get tired
of being labeled a "libbrul (whatever the hell that is supposed to mean)" by right wing nuts who think that is
the proper designation for anyone who has a differing point of view, or a "corporatist (whatever the hell that
is supposed to mean)" by a fellow progressive who has a differing point of view.

As for talking points, I'll take whatever Howard tells me over whatever words some blog wants to put in his mouth.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 01:29 PM
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34. I agree.
But the contempt shown by directing it to those who question is becoming way too much a part of this party.

I don't think that there is any understanding the minds of those using that term "irrational"....that there is a danger in using it to refer to "the left".

I have been a moderate, common sense person all my life. I hate being referred to in tones of contempt that has been the trademark of the centrist wing of the party.

It just makes me more stubborn and pigheaded. :)
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 11:15 PM
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18. k&r for the truth, however depressing. n/t

Kill the bill.


Forcing people to buy insurance is no more the answer to a failed health care system than forcing people to buy houses is the solution to homelessness.

:dem:

-Laelth
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 11:19 PM
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19. Right at this time, truth is vital.
I don't think I can take anymore spin, or twisting of facts to make things seem ok.

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AVID Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 12:24 AM
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21. Dean is working hard for HCR and has agreed (PASS THE BILL). Keep working!!! (
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 06:27 AM
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24. MF, without getting upset at me for asking, can I get your thoughts on this
I've been feeling frustrated with Howard Dean for seeming to change his position on Health Care reform every day.

Most recently, he was outspoken about the failures of this bill and suggesting it be killed. Then after taking criticism, basically the next day he changed his tune.

Can you share with me the detail that I am missing about his changes in position, what happened and why?

Because right now it just feels like he is playing politics with his support. :(

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 08:29 PM
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36. Ridiculed by the WH for speaking out...ridiculed by the left for moderating
his position.

I would call that not winning for losing.

I honestly think he moderated his position when some changes were made.

Do you really think you would like to go down in history as the man as who stopped this wonderful bill from going through?

He did his best, he moderated.

Call it what you will.

I respect that more than I respect this administration's name calling and mistreatment of "the left."
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 08:53 AM
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27. What you refer to as demonizing, any reasonable person would call taking an open eyed and critical
look at the man and what he has done and what he is trying to do.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 09:12 AM
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28. I like Dean, but governing is about reality. Get real, do what CAN be done, and build from there.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 09:16 AM
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29. Why does this whining and complaining always have to be on the home page?
Isn't there somewhere it can be buried? Every day, nothing but whining and complaining.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 09:31 AM
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30. Bill and Baucus out .... START OVER . . . Bill is corporate crap . . .
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 11:16 AM
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32. Dean is guilty of nothing more than telling the truth and trying to make it better.
That is enough to make him a demon, but only among the would-be censors and enemies of truth.

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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 11:38 AM
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33. Deanmonizing
This is getting old. Yawn. HCR passed and I'm happy about it. I'll see a huge benefit from the exchanges - as much as $25,000 year lower rates if my small company can get similar rates to what I had at my big company job. I couldn't be happier - that's a lot of fucking money.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 08:18 PM
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35. K&R
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