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davidswanson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 04:29 PM Original message |
Healthcare Mandate vs. U.S. Constitution |
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pocoloco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
1. "Personally, I will not stand for either." |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 05:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Refuse to buy a premium from a private corporation |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
2. Is "regulating commerce" the same as forcing an individual to enter a marketplace and engage in it? |
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davidswanson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Prezactly |
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cbdo2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
46. It's just regulating the consumer rather than regulating the business. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
3. The mandate is SOOOO wrong on so many levels. |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
5. It is called the general welfare clause...Article 1 Section 8 |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 05:03 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. How does forcing someone to buy a private product provide for the general Welfare of US? |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. That is the problem right wing pundits have called out in that clause... |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 05:09 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security are merely exercises of |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. You would think Obama knows about this since he called himself a constitutional law professor... |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 08:25 PM Response to Reply #17 |
24. He forgot he cvampaigned on the Public Option... |
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salib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. Remember, it is a "fine" or "tax" |
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Xicano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #18 |
45. Jury Nullification |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Please explain, how would they be able to dismantle medicare, medicaid |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Conservatives point out that they do not come from enumerate powers... |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:16 AM Response to Reply #15 |
35. That is all the more reason they should drop the mandate. |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #5 |
25. .... and PROVIDE for the common Defense and general Welfare |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:55 AM Response to Reply #5 |
36. That is about a tax paid to the government for public services, like single payer |
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EndElectoral (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 08:41 AM Response to Reply #5 |
57. Problem with Gen. Welfare clause, is it provides profits in this case for private industry |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
8. Single payer would be constitutional. |
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TiberiusGracchus (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 07:02 PM Response to Reply #8 |
21. Seeing as how Medicare has been unchallenged for over four decades, yeah |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 01:40 PM Response to Reply #8 |
44. Yet another reason why single payer is the solution |
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20score (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
9. Fantastic! K&R |
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pleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 09:50 AM Response to Reply #9 |
37. So did I. n/t |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
12. I wonder what the Republicans will force us to buy once |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 08:17 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. Illegal Wars, Torture, and Global Pollution Leading to Climate Changes, I Expect |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
13. I'm not sure |
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Mari333 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
16. knr |
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edc (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
19. Car insurance? |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 08:19 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Wrong, you only need car insurance if you have a car., this mandate applies to everyone |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 08:44 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. The difference is between liability and full coverage. |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 09:52 AM Response to Reply #19 |
39. State governments require you to have car insurance, not federal |
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nxylas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #39 |
56. No, but try getting around without one |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 12:12 PM Response to Reply #19 |
60. No, they must insure the CAR |
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Bette Noir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
20. One word: |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
26. See Wickard v. Filburn |
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twitomy (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 09:50 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. So then the govt can mandate we all buy new cars? |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:09 PM Response to Reply #31 |
51. The government could concievably force citizens to buy not just cars, but GM and Chrysler built cars |
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ramapo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
28. Passing the mandate will mean the end of the Democrats |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 09:00 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. I agree. A mandate isn't very democratic |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 02:43 AM Response to Reply #28 |
34. I was thinking about this earlier: |
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WillYourVoteBCounted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
29. You mean rob from the poor (us) to give to the rich (insurance co/campaign donors)? |
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Flatulo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 10:03 PM Response to Original message |
32. There has been at least one legal challenge to Massachusetts' mandate... |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-23-09 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
33. k&r for exposure. This is important. n/t |
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pleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
38. K&R |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
40. K&R |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
41. ironic, this mandate coming from the constitutional expert-in-chief. nt |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
42. For all the breast-beating and posturing |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
43. The house bill, at least, refers to it as a 'tax', however, as it provides not benefit, it is not. |
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Beartracks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
47. Very well writ. Great points throughout. |
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booley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
48. I admit the constitutional argument isn't the first one I'd use |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
49. If our health isn't a right, then why don't hospital ER rooms let those who cannot pay DIE? |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
50. Does the Nelson/Nebraska giveaway violate the Equal Protection Clause? |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
52. Thank you. |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
53. The mandate is unconstitutional, but given the Supreme Court line up, the people may lose. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
54. The mandate will be political sucide for Democrats on all levels. |
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winyanstaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-24-09 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
55. K &R.....well done..thank you |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
58. Regardless of any coming SCOTUS decision.. |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-25-09 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
59. It's a tax with a pass-through to the "third party" insurance company (basic: INS Co Taxes public) |
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