Is anyone watching Countdown?

[Stinky The Clown]

We can discuss it after it is over or you can catch the rerun.

[Thickasabrick]

1. Is it good?? What's the subject?? I don't have a TV nt

[Stinky The Clown]

8. O'Donnell just played a series of clips of Obama mayking very strong pro-public-option statements to

a variety of audiences.

It is very clear that Obama's statements today are at odds with the video that resides now in the public record.

No doubt the apologensia will tell us we never saw this.

[Thickasabrick]

10. oooooh....that sounds like a good one...I'll search for the rerun. nt

[tsuki]

12. Last I heard, he didn't campaign on the public option, he gave those

speeches after elected. All hairs to be split an infinite number of times.

:eyes:

[Stinky The Clown]

15. Please get your "comprehension" glasses on ........ okay? Got 'em?

I didn't say in the OP or elsewhere that he campaigned on it. Neither did O'Donnell, actually.

At best, Obama is making a "meaning of is" sort of argument.

The clips show he was for it before he was indifferent toward it.

Or whatever.

It must hurt the apologensia to have to twist as much as is now needed to keep up the pretext.

[tsuki]

30. I am talking about all the spin I am reading on the news and blog sites. Hairs are

being split, ad infinitum. It makes the definition of "is" look coherent.

And do not dare suggest that you would not take this kind of crap if the speaker was a RW'er unless you have your flame retardant jammies on. And with all the spin, you would probably go up in a "poof".

My fear is that Obama has said that he will be there to help reconcile the House and Senate bill.

[chimpymustgo]

13. Quite damning. You might want to put some of this info in your OP.

[valerief]

25. That was terrific. nt

[Myrina]

2. Wow, Stinky, thanks for the clue!

:wtf:

[Stinky The Clown]

9. O'Donnell showing clips of Obama saying he wanted the public option

Clip after clip after clip after clip .......

[tridim]

16. Nothing surprising about that. He has always prefered the PO.

Unfortunately Holy Joe held the bill hostage and got it removed temporarily.

[femrap]

17. Or did Joe play

the role he was supposed to??

[tridim]

24. Joe has a long history of being a DINO asshole.

No, it's not some big plot. It was one guy, being the asshole that he is.

[femrap]

31. Then why was he

just a few months ago all for a public option? Now, hates it.

This could mean a couple of things:

1. He is losing his mind like Raygun.
2. The Insurance/Pharma companies gave him some big bucks.
3. The Insurance/Pharma companies put the fear of God in him.
4. He's just a lying asshole like most of the others (Even Obama is saying he wasn't for the public option...last night's Olbermann made a clear case that he was for the public option while campaigning).
5. He is playing his role.
6. Somehow AIPAC doesn't want decent health care for all.

I believe it was Rachel or Keith's show that I saw the video of him endorsing the public option.

There are probably more reasons for his actions....but it's Xmas Eve Day and I'm ready to drink some nog.

have a happy

[rudy23]

26. And what did Obama do about that exactly? nt

[tridim]

27. Why do you even care? You hate Obama and you hate the bill.

Get lost.

[rudy23]

28. Jeez. A little emotional, Stewie.

Let's keep feelings out of it and talk about actions. What did Obama do when Lieberman held the bill hostage? You have to lash out, because you know what the answer is.

[tridim]

29. You know exactly what went down.

I'm lashing out because you're wasting everyone's time.

[Stinky The Clown]

32. Hey stewie ..... only watsing time of people who choose to read

They really don't need you to tell them what to read.

But that's okay, stewie, you keep lashing out. It helps a lot.

[wyldwolf]

3. OMG! Keith just...

... eh, we'll wait 'til its over.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

4. This is unreal... an exceedingly thorough demolition of the lie du jour

Endless video of Obama telling progressive groups about his public option plan and saying the bill couldn't work without it.

Getting into the mandate switch.

Just brutal.

[global1]

5. Now Even MSNBC Is Going After Obama......

Ed was really tough on Obama in the Ed Show and now O'Donnell filling in for Keith is really getting down on Obama. Has the message come down from corporate America that Obama is a threat and they need to show him his 'waterloo' to drop a Repug talking point?

[Hell Hath No Fury]

7. Ed and Lawrence are going after O --

because he just fucking lied to the American people and trying to convince us he didn't. Good on them for calling him out on this -- we need to keep O honest.

[IndianaGreen]

21. Corporate America loves Obama, as we have seen with the health industry stocks

Make no mistake about this, the corporations have been making out like bandits since Obama took office.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

6. Oh yeah.

The evidence O did make the PO a large part of his campaign is right there --anyone trying to deny it is just full of shit.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

11. you have to wonder - surely he would have to know these clips

were out there. Bet it's a "semantic" thing.

There's no one I'd rather see as prez - but hell, he sure is getting "unlikeable"

If he pulls a "depends on the meaning of "is" is"

Hope they have a secret plan to ram public option thru w/50 votes.

Man, here we are again, hoping against hope that there's a "secret plan"

[chimpymustgo]

14. Nope. He told Jim Lehrer tonight he got 95% of what he wanted in the Senate bill.

[glitch]

18. His echo chamber would no doubt downplay this. Keep in mind, they are all retreads from the 90s

before the internets could call out bullshit within seconds.

[IndianaGreen]

23. Remember when Mayhill Fowler recorded Obama's 'bitter' speech?

It's curious, then, that he (Obama) often has such a hard time making a connection with many working class Americans. With plenty of time for people to get to know him, like in southern Illinois before his first state legislature race and in Iowa before the caucuses, Obama has forged that connection. People get comfortable with the way his mind works. Obama is the man with the big picture; he jumps quickly from the particular to the general and back again, for he makes sense of the world in a synchronic rather than a linear way. For all his soaring rhetoric, there is a dispassion about him. And yet he blends rationcinative intelligence with empathetic understanding. This is a rare combination, and for many people, this aspect of Obama takes some getting used to. His Puritanical streak, moreover, while amusing to the press can be off-putting to everybody else.

Wednesday in Levittown, Obama told his audience, "We can find areas of common ground." But if we are going to move from divisiveness to comity, then Obama must show that he can lead us to see one another at our best and to measure one another at our highest worth. "I'm going to have a big table and will invite everybody," Obama often says. These were his exact words to Johnstown March 29. "I'll have the biggest chair, because I'll be President," he added.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html

[havocmom]

19. heh heh heh... Will Obama be shamed into vetoing the sham now?

One hopes....

Mandate with no VIGOROUS, ROBUST, OPEN TO ALL public option = fascism.

[spicypickle]

22. There will be no veto

In that sense (among others), Obama strongly resembles Bush. He just does what he's going to do and doesn't let facts get in his way.

[IndianaGreen]

20. Candidate Obama will be the one running against President Obama

Candidate Obama will be the one running against President Obama in 2012. Primary voters will be reminded of the stark contrast between the promises made by candidate Obama in 2007 and 2008, and what President Obama really did during his term of office.

The issue will not be what the President tried and failed to do, but that the President didn't even bother to fight for what he promised.