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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 09:26 PM
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I want to just talk
My father was born not long after the first world war, which made him a teenager when the Great Depression hit. He was one of a half dozen surviving children of a man who worked on gas wells until (1930) he was injured in an explosion and then his wife left him. They had nothing. Then came the Second World War. His war, in the Pacific, was indeed hell.

After the war he became part of the great growing America - and he lived the american dream. He was a staunch Republican, he supported the war I fought in even after I came home and told him that it was wrong.

The old man used to read magazines, lots and lots of magazines. He read Life Magazine, and True Magazine, and Popular Mechanics, and of course the Reader's Digest; he even got their condensed books on a monthly basis. These were the good times and he had damned well earned them.

The old man, who worked at a power plant, always belonged to a union. I too have been a life-long Union member and just wanted to mention it - with pride. The union treated him well. He earned wages unheard of in his younger days. He got paid days off if he was sick, he even got paid vacation.

The vacation was the thing. You see that was the one promise that was constantly made to my father and the rest of the working men and women of his generation. They were promised leisure. That may not sound like much to you and me but to a generation that had to scramble every minute of their life just to eat it was no small thing at all.

And now I look back, with the old man no long in the grave, and I wonder what happened to all that leisure time he worked so hard for so very many years to earn? Where is it now? My wife and I, both now retired, had to both work to keep up a household that roughly equaled what my father was able to support alone. We worked more hours than he did and our jobs were in greater peril from outside competition and unfavorable national policy. Oh, my bosses made a lot more than my father's bosses and at the top of the companies we each worked for there was simply no comparison in compensation. The leisure his generation and then mine earned (and I should have shared in and passed on to my son) was stolen from him and turned into cash by the very top levels of management in the very companies we built.

Ask any Republican and they will tell you we are now in an ownership society. You can not complain about corporate America because indeed you are a part of it. Some absurd percentage of us is supposed to own stock in one way or another. Look at your retirement package, look at your life insurance, maybe you're so lucky as to have private investments too. The myth is we are all owners, we all are part of this great corporate America. Well, if we are all the owners, all in control, then tell me when the last time you voted for any of the top officers in any company you supposedly own stock in. Tell me just what control we, the ownership society, what control we have over this beast of a society we supposedly own.

Rant over. Thank you for your time.
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 09:43 PM
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1. Excellent points...
...I think that the meme that "we are all owners now" was created to allow the Democrats and the unions, and their messages, to be entirely co-opted. To make people scared to rock the boat, because "then you could be the losers, too -- not just the big bad CEOs and the elites".

Of course they fail to mention the seriously paltry amounts that most of us have invested in stocks, etc. through our IRAs and the like. Especially when you compare these amounts to those held by the financial elites.

They fail to mention the many, many people who really don't own anything at all, much less stocks. All the low-wage workers, the Wal-Mart greeters and the McDonald's burger slingers -- think these folks have any real "investment" in corporate America? But then the bosses will tell you, "Well where else they gonna get work?" As if it is set in stone, that the only source of employment for most of us is the big corporations.

And then to top it all off, they pay lip service to small businesses, even note from time to time that it is really small businesses that employ most people, while they continue to craft rapacious policies that screw the small business owners in favor of the corporate pirates.

The question really is, what can we do to change it.
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WestSide BB Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 09:44 PM
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2. Corporate persons
Human greed has been with us since Bible times. But I think capitalism has accelerated it by rewarding it systematically. For maybe one generation, we thought working folks had more leisure time, but that like so many things has gone backward, thanx to the greedy people who control both our major political parties. I think it is a spiritual change that is needed. How can these people, once they have so much, keep grabbing more and more? Somethingis wrong with them. They must have no conscience. The devil is busy!

But also, there may be one structural, legal change that could help: get rid of corporate personhood. From what I understand it was a small footnote in a court decision which allowed corporations the legal status of persons. This should somehow be repealed. Then the people responsible for all this greed would be held accountable as individuals and could not hide liability behind a corporate structureal.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 01:31 AM
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14. I like your style, even though I'm not at all religious.
Edited on Thu Dec-24-09 02:18 AM by Quantess
Although I am somewhat spiritual, in an agnostic sense.
Welcome to DU!:hi:

Human greed has been with us since caveman days of yore, going back eons, not to mention millenia of documented human history. That's where we might possibly disagree. If I say 200,000 years ago or so, something happened, you could reply no, 6,000.

Edit because I'm not completely sober.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 09:48 PM
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3. We own the false image of a life we'll never live, that's pretty much it.
And some people will go to the mat for that image. I could never understand that.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 09:54 PM
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7. I think it's why people
Edited on Wed Dec-23-09 10:02 PM by Mz Pip
vote Republican. They envision themselves in that image at some point in their lives - rich, in control, with more money than God.

They don't want to upset that apple cart just in case they ever get there. That and the goverment is so damn easy to hate. The meter maid that gave you a parking ticket 1 minute after the money ran out, the IRS quibbling over $100, blood alcohol limits, gun registration, helmut laws.Shit, you even have to get a license for your damn dog. Damn goverment.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 09:57 PM
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8. You must be right. There is no other benefit that I can think of.
The Republicans oppose most of the social nets that make life a little bit more manageable. Image is what they have to sell.
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 09:49 PM
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4. We listen, we read, many of us agree with your observations.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 09:53 PM
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5. It's all part of history now.
Those days are gone, and they weren't all that great for every American.
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endless october Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 09:54 PM
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6. kicked, rec, and well said. nt
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 09:58 PM
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9. The American People are not valued, except for what they contribute to their Corporate Owners.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 10:21 PM
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10. We let it happen. We did nothing. We deserve this.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 10:46 PM
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11. K & R
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 10:59 PM
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12. But when they say ownership society
They mean they own you.

-Hoot
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 11:34 PM
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13. Enjoyed reading.
Thanks ThomWV!
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Goldstein1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 03:59 PM
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15. We aren't owners, we are owned
Our general welfare has been so weaved into a system that exploits workers that we can't fight captivity without hurting ourselves.

Good rant. Thank you.
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