I'm sorry but after six decades

[malaise]

I'm going to celebrate the passing of the health care bill.
This is a remarkable moment despite the flaws of the bill. Universal health care can be reached from here - this is a start.

[saltpoint]

1. Rec'd.

[malaise]

4. Happy Holidays

:hi: :toast: To a crack in the door bill!!

[saltpoint]

8. Hey there, malaise. Same to you, with some free time to enjoy

yourself, I hope.

:toast:

[malaise]

9. Yes indeed

I have some stuff to write but I'm relatively free for four weeks.
Enjoy the holidays! :D

[lamp_shade]

2. Onward and Upward.

[malaise]

5. Indeed

:toast: now to continue to struggle.

[FrenchieCat]

3. If we don't take steps, we can't go forward......

Here's to that! :toast:

[malaise]

6. 100% correct

:toast:

[katkat]

54. Backing up is not going forward n/t

[arcadian]

73. Not really true

What if you are on a treadmill, running in place, which is what this bill represents.

[Skidmore]

7. K&R

And then let's get to work again to make certain it is improved.

[Are_grits_groceries]

10. One more vote and

only for Teddy and those who fought before. There are few in this fight now who have distinguished themselves. I may find out later that I owe more to some people that isn't apparent now. I apologize to them.

[malaise]

12. The chinless one continues his rant

Fugg him too.

[Are_grits_groceries]

14. If DeMint speaks, I may break my monitor.

I honestly think this is a historical, and pivotal moment, but it's hard to see over the bodies of people and policies left behind. When the smoke clears, I hope we are in a decent place to defend AND launch attacks from. This is still a long, long war.

[malaise]

17. Nice post

I agree. Happy Holidays sis. :toast:

Awwwwww pictures of Teddy - let's get it done.

[nofurylike]

11. thank you for your wise words, malaise. nt

[malaise]

13. I know many other DUers feel the same

despite our disappointment about the Public Option.

[nofurylike]

19. thank you. that is good to hear. i agree it is disappointing. but we

will, as you said, work on toward that.


peace and solidarity

[mrcheerful]

27. Life is full of disappointments and after awhile you learn that unless you were born

into the Hilton empire your best bet is to hope for the best expect the worse then accept life as it is. After living through 3 assassinations of 3 of the greatest human beings then seeing a crook replaced by a third rate actor who thought he was reliving the 1920's only to see the dim wit replace him, all because the brain dead thought it would be wonderful to elect a guy who they thought they could enjoy having a beer with, only to find out the dim wit wasn't a beer drinker.

Congress is congress, we are limited to only being able to elect those where we live and put up with the dim wits from other area's that vote nit wits to make law's the dim wits want to force on others, thinking they are getting over on someone else while ignoring they just cut off their noses to spite their faces. So yeah this watered down, weak, lame HCR bill is the best we can get with the people we have around us. But life has a good habit of things changing after a door is opened.

[malaise]

29. Nice post Mr. Cheerful

Bill passes 60-39.

[nofurylike]

15. oh, and k&r

[cali]

16. I think I may have to join you despite my disgust with the process

and reservations about the results.

[malaise]

18. We're in the same place

:toast:

[Are_grits_groceries]

20. I think that Flight 331 is a perfect metaphor.

It took off with people aboard who ultimately had no control over the flight. Those flying the plane tried their best to make it through the rain and wind. It didn't go exactly as planned. The landing was rough to say the least, and the plane broke into 3 pieces. It stopped 10 feet from sinking into the sea.

Everybody survived. There are miracles!

[malaise]

22. I'm not one for miracles

but they sure were lucky. The topography of that beach, rain damping sparks, and of course the aircraft skating over the road and heading for the beach - if that plane had tilted and hit the road or indeed headed for the sea, the result would have been very different.

Mr. Frankin - Aye!!!

[Are_grits_groceries]

34. As they say,

I'd rather be lucky than good.

[malaise]

44. Well I've never been good

so I need luck :rofl:

[malaise]

26. Harry fuggs up and says no before correcting

himself.

[barbtries]

21. my celebration

will be much muted compared to, say, a year ago november. after all is said and done the way i feel is that the people are being led around by the PTB, that congress is corrupt, and that even if this bill passes it will not improve the quality of life for americans. it's like after starving for a long time, watching the other side feasting, we're promised a meal, and it turns out to be just a thimble full of broth. i'm still starving. the broth may keep me breathing but it won't change my life. congress had a chance to change our lives and they chose instead to kowtow to the lobbyists and obey their own greed.

[malaise]

24. Valid points

but only the people will change the culture of corruption and the influence of lobbyists.

Feingold votes aye.

[barbtries]

60. that's so true

struggling to stay engaged these days.

[cali]

25. really? so primary care for millions and millions won't improve the

quality of life for Americans? Interesting.

[malaise]

28. Which Rethugs are missing?

Here comes Bernie Sanders - votes Aye!

[Are_grits_groceries]

30. Inhofe, I think. nt

[cali]

31. Just Bunning.

[saltpoint]

37. Yep. And we're talkin' MISSING.

:hi:

[malaise]

40. Well the way the chinless one treated

Bunning, he was right to stay away. Fugg all Rethugs.

[saltpoint]

42. True. The two of them kind of deserve each other.

Chinless and Mindless.

[malaise]

45. Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

:rofl:

[Hannah Bell]

23. no, medicare was a start, & it passed in 1965, 49 years ago. This is an end.

[malaise]

47. I have a lot of respect for you

and read all your posts but I'm still celebrating today's historic vote. :hi:

[Hannah Bell]

49. nothing personal, but it's a wake, not a birthday party.

[DailyGrind51]

32. Once the House and Senate bills are merged, we might get even closer to "our" bill.

[malaise]

46. Let's hope

:toast:

[HipChick]

33. Hey Malaise..think I might have to join in with you..K&R

Civil rights wasn't reached overnight either..this is a start.

[malaise]

35. Correct

:toast:

[lamp_shade]

36. No K&R from HappypantsJake this morning?

[WeDidIt]

38. Make that nearly a century

because Theodore Roosevelt first broached the subject of Health Care Reform in 1912.

[malaise]

41. You're right

:toast:

[madokie]

39. six decades plus 1

soon to be 2. I'm with you on this all the way. If the pukes don't like it then I'll more than likely be able to stomach it

Have a great holiday weekend

[malaise]

43. Same to you and yours

:toast: :D

[nofurylike]

48. kick. great thread, thank you again, malaise! nt

[bdamomma]

50. malaise I am going to celebrate with this (later of course)

Souse, ginger beer and dark rum!!!!

[malaise]

51. Damn you must be a West Indian

:rofl:

[bdamomma]

53. well at least you know what I'm talking about !! I'm American married to

a man who likes West Indians!!(he's Bermudian)! Merry Christmas!!

[malaise]

55. LOL

Have a great one sis! We don't eat pork or red meat so we pass on the souse unless it's chicken souse.

[NNN0LHI]

52. I feel like a young whippersnapper at 54

I agree. This is a remarkable moment.

Don

[Vinca]

56. I'll celebrate when and if I find out my "affordable" rate in the interim

high risk pool. I'm not optimistic. It's a good day to buy stocks in big insurance.

[old mark]

57. You are right. Rec. Teddy Roosevelt tried to start a universal health care

system, only to be defeated, so it's actually about 100 years overdue.

Ouir lack of system provides a lot of money for those bottom feeders who live off other's misery, and they are very reluctant to let it go....might have to get a real job!

mark

[progressoid]

58. SIX decades???? huh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(United_States)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid

[malaise]

63. Thanks for the links

Happy Holidays. :hi:

[NYC_SKP]

59. Recommended. Happy Season! nt

[malaise]

64. Back at you

The last time the Knicks won I was in NYC. :hi:

[azmouse]

61. kick

[malaise]

66. Happy Holidays azmouse

:hi:

[ThePhilosopher04]

62. That would be like...

after 90 years of no World Series, the Cubs celebrating a regular season, interleague series win over the Yankees.

[malaise]

65. LOL

Pretty much.
Happy Holidays :hi:

[Scurrilous]

67. K & R

:thumbsup:

[johnaries]

68. Agreed. It is progress, at least - after 65 years of nothing. nt

[Wounded Bear]

69. I agree, but the celebration will be small and short lived....

Much, much more work to do on this subject.

Progress, yes. I'll take what I can get. But much more needs to be done.

[Political Heretic]

70. This is not a start, and universal health care can't be reached until this bill is undone

That's why people in the reality-based community are upset. Because we're not so desperate to feel good and celebrate that we ignore the reality that this bill as currently written is likely to make things worse, not better, in the long run.

[malaise]

72. If Bernie Sanders voted for the bill

I can celebrate. Something must be right with it. The struggle continues.

[Political Heretic]

74. Wow really? That's the kind of logic you use to make decisions?

That's terrifying and sad.

Bernie Sanders traded personal concessions for his vote, and he did so because he knew all chances at a better bill from the Senate had died, and the opted to try to get what he could out of it in exchange for his vote to support it.

I, however, don't have to worry about election politics - I can simply read the bill, analyze the policy (which is what I'm trained to do) read the CBO reports, watch, read and listen to analysis and commentary, and conclude that the bill is a mess of loopholes and giveaways that will ultimately end up costing poor people more.

[malaise]

78. There's a lot about the bill we don't like

but it's the first one to make it this far and I'm celebrating that fact.

[Political Heretic]

81. There's nothing to celebrate if it makes things worse.

Which is what I fear it does for many Americans.

[Political Heretic]

71. And after six decades, it is a historic win for corporations and the financial elite

A remarkable victory for them in taking something that should have been about ordinary Americans and turning it into something that perfectly crafted to allow them to avoid any serious interruption in their profiteering and exploitation of a now-captive market.

[bvar22]

75. I won't be joining this parade.

I won't be attending the celebration at the "historic" signing.

I won't be able to watch the Democrats slapping each other on the back, and congratulating each other on their "courage" at "Standing Up to the Big Corporations". (Reid already started this yesterday. I almost puked).

I won't be hanging up a Mission Accomplished Banner.

This bill is NOTHING more than a HUGE transfer of Public Wealth to the For Profit Corporations masquerading as "reform".

People "celebrated" after NAFTA too.

[malaise]

79. I didn't celebrate after NAFTA n/t

[Kansas Wyatt]

76. NAFTA Health Care! Hope for Change!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[blondeatlast]

77. Flaws in the bill and all, I will join you. I think we will get the public option if we keep our

eyes on the prize.

[EFerrari]

80. I'd like to see a health care bill. That would be something.

[DailyGrind51]

82. We needed to begin somewhere and this is "a journey of 10,000 miles".

[dflprincess]

83. How is protecting the status quo a beginning?

It looks more like this journey is in reverse.

[eridani]

84. This is the opposite direction from universal health care

Subsidizing a parasitic sector of our economy could put us into permanent recession.