Now Jane Hamsher IS THREATENING BERNIE SANDERS!

[WeDidIt]

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

I won't link to FDL any longer, but here's what the fuck she's doing:

Sign our letter to Senator Sanders, reminding him that Vermont voters will not forget this, and will hold him accountable for whatever his final action is at the ballot box.

She's playing her "liberaller than thou" bullshit with BERNIE SANDERS!

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[Adelante]

1. Blech nt

[girl gone mad]

53. Since WeDidIt refuses to link to the article in question, I will.

As you can see, this article is not attributed to "Jane Hamsher". It was written by a person named Brian Sonenstein, who has no prior history of submission with the site.

I'm always amazed by how little research people are willing to do before jumping straight to "outrage" mode. Ten seconds on Google told me this was bullshit.

Here's a hint: when a person won't even provide a link or any kind of verifiable evidence in support of their premise, a little more skepticism might be in order.

http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/23/vt-voters-to-bernie-sanders-stand-up-for-whats-right-or-risk-losing-your-seat/">VT Voters to Bernie Sanders: Stand up for what’s right, or risk losing your seat
By: Brian Sonenstein Wednesday December 23, 2009 2:30 pm

We thought Bernie Sanders would be a Senator with more bite than bark on health care reform.

The self-proclaimed socialist from Vermont nearly exploded on the Senate floor last week as Republican Senator Tom Coburn forced a reading of his 700-odd page Single Payer amendment, effectively killing its chances of inclusion in the bill. As he stood there, shouting a laundry list of harrowing statistics regarding the state of America’s health care system, we thought he recognized the imperative of bringing sustainable coverage to a growing number of vulnerable Americans.

[Karmadillo]

87. Thank you for telling the truth. Maybe you'll start a trend.

nt

[saltpoint]

2. Jane's subversion here serves Jane. The mature adults in Vermont

very likely aren't listening one damn to anything she says about Sanders or anything else, and properly so.

[Skidmore]

3. Why does the "left" have such spectatular self-immolations?

I swear I've seen this happen before...and on DU too.

Sorry, but this woman is doing much to hurt her cause now.

[saltpoint]

7. Exactly -- Jane Hamsher is setting fire to a system she clearly cannot

influence. She has failed to influence events -- not surprisingly, as she is a hot-head of the first order.

She's attacked Sanders here recently, also John Kerry, also Barbara Boxer, and right on down the list.

The woman be a wretched fool who pisses in her own bucket.

[RedCloud]

49. They follow in the tradition of Mighty Hercules.

The Good Shepherd, the Prince of Peace, the Son of Man/God and after his voluntary self immolation he ascended to Olympus in the form of a spirit creating a spiritual bridge connecting earthlings to the Gods and was referred to as the Soter, or Saviour.

Lots of folks and other religions want those titles of adoration.

http://souledout.org/hercules/herculespisces/herculespisces.html

[rhett o rick]

71. The "left" has Bernie. nt

[leftofcool]

4. So where is the threat?

You made this sound like she is in Bernie's front yard toting a gun. Oh, and voters will hold him accountable.

[cali]

8. yep. we VERMONTERS will hold hold Bernie accountable and return him

to the Senate with a huge margin- just as we did when he was our sole Congressman.

[WeDidIt]

10. Bernie is the heart and soul of the Senate now

Bernie is the conscience of the Senate.

Bernie stated that there was a lot he didn't like about the bill, but for the greater good he had no choice but to vote in favor of the bill.

[Ikonoklast]

22. He is filling the Liberal void left by the death of Ted Kennedy.

Bernie will indeed become the conscience and the voice of the Left in the Senate.

[shadowknows69]

25. I'm sick of this "for the greater good" bullshit with this bill..

You either stand up for your convictions or you sit down and shut up with the rest of the corporate whores. Integrity without action or backbone is useless.

[WeDidIt]

27. Oddly enough

that's how the teabaggers feel about Republicans who don't toe their line.

You, Jane, and anybody else in that group should be right at home with your new allies.

[shadowknows69]

30. Strawman fail sorry, but by all means y'all should keep using it.

[WeDidIt]

35. Sorry, no strawman at all

Jane Hamsher has joined forces with the teabaggers. She said so on Fox and Friends.

[juno jones]

90. Jane didn't write this article, see#53 above. n/t

[MH1]

40. Yeah, no one should want to improve the public good, right?

[WeDidIt]

9. The threat of an implicit voting him out of office

:eyes:

[girl gone mad]

31. Isn't that what a democracy is supposed to be about?

[WeDidIt]

36. Making the threat is one thing

accomplishing it is another.

It's the most ridiculous thing Jane Hamsher has said in a week of ridiculous bullshit.

[girl gone mad]

47. well, considering she didn't even say it..

I guess you may have a point.

:rofl:

[cali]

5. hahahahaha. janie needs to grab a clue, poor little thing.

If there's one thing Vermonters of all stripes hate hate hate, it's fucking flatlanders meddling and telling us who to vote for or against.

janie, sweetums, I guarantee you that you're only helping Bernie here- not that he needs any help.

[mmonk]

6. You won't see Bernie complaining. He is working a strategy

and needs the cover I think. Stay tuned.

[Cetacea]

11. +100.

[cali]

13. honestly, he doesn't need any cover. I don't think most people here

have a clue about VT politics.

[WeDidIt]

15. I know Bernie is loved in Vermont

and I love Vermont for sending Bernie to the Senate!

[mmonk]

19. But those that think they have the "liberals" in line don't understand

something.

[Canuckistanian]

12. Circular firing squad syndrome

It's incurable, I hear.

[Selatius]

14. Bernie Sanders is DEEPLY popular with his voters. He whupped ass in his last election.

Jane Hamsher's threats are nothing more than idle talk, and even if they were real threats, the odds are her attempt to depose him will be pathetic in comparison to Sanders' support.

[cali]

16. Jane is about to become very unpopular in the VT blogosphere

[WeDidIt]

17. I'd say Jane Hamsher has jumped the shark

but "jumped the shark" has jumped the shark.

[WeDidIt]

18. The Hamsherites unreccing this

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I couldn't care less, but you're funny as shit!

[Freddie Stubbs]

20. What's next? A pic of Bernie Sanders in blackface?

:shrug:

[KittyWampus]

60. LOL!

[Kahuna]

21. I am vindicated. My suspicions about her are proven to be true. nt

[Pirate Smile]

32. I've disliked her since way before it was fashionable. Something was just off. She has always

had an unusual animosity toward the President barely below the surface. I never felt like you could trust anything she said.

[Kahuna]

43. I disliked her on sight. Her attitude is entirely too superior for me.

Like, who the hell made this lady the spokesperson for ALL progressives??? Really!

[Red Knight]

23. I can't wait till this HC Bill kicks in

And all the whining starts from the "progressives" who feel betrayed by a disastrous bill that does little more than shovel money to the insurance industry.

Thank Bernie then---and don't cry. I like Bernie too but it's time for some honesty---he sold out to help his state. He saw that this disaster was all that these guys were going to offer and saw everyone else getting freebies for their state and figured he might as well do the same.

The bribes were to help senators who went along with this thing in any re-election battle. "Look--we brought THIS to the state." It sells well. It will probably work.

But we need political courage right now--not selling out.

Still, you guys blasting Jane go right ahead. Embrace what congress has given you and really believe that it was the best Santa could do. Don't hold anyone accountable and in a few years when you unwrap this gift don't cry at the lump of coal in there.

Really--I wish we could save this thread and repost it a few years down the line. I wonder which one of you will be crying the loudest at that time?

Too late.

[cali]

24. sigh. Bernie didn't particularly help VT, though Leahy did.

Bernie got 10 billion for HCSs for the ENTIRE nation. Out of the thousands that will be formed and funded, at the most, 2 will be in VT (we already have 6, more per capita than any other state)

Furthermore, whether he voted for or against this, Bernie is in absolutely no trouble politically in Vermont. Period.

As for your crystal ball, forgive me if I place exactly no faith whatsoever in it.

[Red Knight]

34. Well what do you love about the bill?

Don't worry about crystal balls.

Look at the bill.

What do you really love about it so much?

Just curious.

By the way----I have no doubt Bernie is a good guy. Really. I have nothing against him and frankly, I don't think it's personal.

This is more about making a stand.

You can't hold Nelson accountable but let someone else get a pass if you believe it's a bad bill with serious problems down the road.

Either you believe it and hold them all accountable--or you just applaud and are happy with what they gave you.

I can see you like the bill and are of the latter view.

Enjoy it. Really.

I have a different view.

[cali]

41. having fun with that strawman? No where have I said I love this legislation

I do think the CHCs are a very good thing and that providing primary care to millions is a very good thing.

I think this legislation opens a long tightly shut door. I believe you have to start where you are, and where we are is with this legislation. Not some better legislation or some platonic ideal but with a flawed bill with some potential to help people who desperately need it.

[Red Knight]

54. Going the wrong way

I have to agree with Cenk from TYT when he compared it to the scene in "Planes, Trains and Automobiles" and Martin and Candy are driving the wrong way.

A couple is trying to warn them that they're going the wrong way and Candy accuses them of being drunk and ignores them.

Health care stocks shot up for a good reason.

We did not even address the McCarren-Ferguson issue. What's going to actually control costs.

And what guarantee of subsidies are there in the future when the companies raise their prices for any worthwhile plan to the point that people can't afford them and still--by law have to buy an inferior plan which still won't provide them with the coverage they need?

What about older folks paying 3-1 what younger folks pay?

What about "No lifetime limits" but....Annual limits? How does a cancer patient cope with that?

There's a lot of fixing to do, and I don't share the optimism that it will happen. I see Republicans making it worse--and Dems(if not making it worse) having other things on their plate.

But I'm not holding my breath.

[polmaven]

83. So, in your opinion,

doing nothing at all is better? How do you think the people who desperately need those Community Health Centers feel about that?

[WeDidIt]

26. I love the Hamsterites

They're nearly as entertaining as the Taiterz.

[girl gone mad]

57. But when it comes to misinformation and disinformation..

the progressive bashers have everyone beat by a mile theses days.

[WeDidIt]

67. YEah, they claim Hamser didn't write it

but ignore her tweets:

VT Voters to Bernie Sanders: Stand up for what’s right, or risk losing your seat: We thought Bernie... http://bit.ly/7e5c9W #publicoption

[girl gone mad]

69. More misinformation. Her twitter feed posts every headline from the site.

It's not an endorsement or a personal statement, just a feature that allows people who follow Jane Hamsher to stay updated on what contributors to FDL are posting.

I hadn't been to firedoglake in years before today, but even I was able to figure this out in just a matter of seconds, which leads me to believe that you are intentionally distorting facts.

You can read through her twitter feed and see that every headline from the site appears in the feed. That's basically all her feed is, just a list of headlines from fdl.

http://twitter.com/janeHamsher

[WeDidIt]

74. Her twitter feed has HER name on it, ergo SHE is responsible for it.

If she wants to disavow personal responsibility for it, she should have a twitter feed to an FDL twitter site.

It's HER name. She is PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE.

[girl gone mad]

75. The headline is automatically posted to her feed.

She didn't personally write it.

If you want to make a case that as the owner of the site she should delete the article written by Brian Sonenstein, then we can at least have an honest debate.

[WeDidIt]

78. Does not make a difference

It has HER name on it, ergo it is HERS.

[KharmaTrain]

28. Single Issue Myopia

My history with FDL goes to its real early days when Jane and Redhead began blogging. It was my link to Marcy Wheeler and her excellent coverage of the Libby trial. That was then. Jane has always struck me as getting tunnel vision, her passions and emotions over a more pragmatic and realistic view.

I sympathise with her situation and understand her anger and objections, but her recent antics are a real definition of biting your nose to spite your face. When you lie down with dogs you wake up with fleas.

[Red Knight]

37. So what issue do you take a stand on?

Troop surge? No.

Health Care? No.

Bailouts? No.

I'm sure we'll get to one sooner or later.

The problem with the progressive movement is it's weak and doesn't take a stand. And the powers that be know it. There is almost as much "team" concern more than real issue concern on the left as there was on the right--and we killed them for that.

Hey--not everyone is progressive--I get that.

Perhaps most are centrist.

But Jane is progressive. She is tired of watching issue after issue go against us. You pick a battle and fight it--you don't drift around the battle field poking at guys with toothpicks from time to time and declaring victory or a stalemate and feeling good about yourself.

You take responsibility or you live with the consequences of inaction--and that has been the problem on the left for a long time.

[KharmaTrain]

50. Projection Rating: C-

Since you have no idea of who I am or what I stand for, nice try at the guilt thing. That works real well among those who want to blame and bitch but it does nothing to change the status quo.

What I stand for comes into play when I offer financial support, volunteer work and votes for candidates. It comes into play in many ways in my real life and not privy for a discussion board. It doesn't matter anyway. Right now it's 435 Congresscritters and 100 Senators who have the ultimate say. I hope my beliefs personally and respect others for theirs and never attempt to proejct my feelings on others.

Above all I have been on this planet long enough to know how political games are played...and seeing the term "progressive" used as a litmus test by some. Sorry, not gonna play that game.

Jane is Jane. Jane speaks for Jane or her friends, but she is what she is...focused on one issue and willing to seek common cause with some of the people hellbent on creating havoc with the current administration and the Democratic party. If you support that, more power to you. I find it both counterproductive and self-destructing.

[BlooInBloo]

29. Who cares what teabaggers do?

[JerseygirlCT]

33. She'd better not trip on that shark. nt

[Bluenorthwest]

38. I'm sorry but I can not agree that saying 'we will vote' is

a threat in this nation. I hope you understand that all public figures including Bernie get actual, real, got to live with it threats. It is not a joking matter in my book at all. If you yourself had ever lived in such shoes, you would not use those terms.
In addition to the reality of threats against good people, accusing another of 'making a threat' is a bit on the uncool side. Because, again, every day there are real and actual threats, that word means something. It needs to mean something.
At at the root of it, our vote is ours to use, and to promise to use that vote is not in any way a 'threat'.
I expected to read that she'd committed a crime, as that is what the title of this OP states. Threats against any official are terrorist acts under the Patriot Act, and the so the word has a very intense and legally applicable meaning.
As a former public figure, I do not find anything good in this sort of hyperbole. In fact what it does is 'cry wolf'. It is not good, and you would not do it if Bernie was a person in your actual life, and I mean that.

[WeDidIt]

39. Jane Hamsher doesn't live in Vermont.

So she's blowing steam out of her ass.

[girl gone mad]

55. Jane Hamsher didn't make the "threat".

Brian Sonenstein did. A quick Google search reveals he contributes to many liberal blogs.

Take it up with http://livingliberally.org/blogs/Brian-Sonenstein">him.

[Bluenorthwest]

72. I do not know nor care where she lives

I am not sure I've ever read her blog. She has been on Hartmann, I recalled, but she is not the point here.
My point is that these words of yours are dangerous hyperbole. My point is that those among us who walk in public shoes get actual threats. Campaigning against a politician is not a threat, no matter where one lives, it is a right, a duty and an obligation.
What you are blowing is far worse than steam. Frankly, if you gave a shit about Bernie, you'd never, ever post such a thing. You do not even understand the nature of the fire you play with. A person does not agree with you, so you accuse them of a crime. In public. By doing so, you diminish the very real and actual threats to our elected officials and others in the public eye. I reject YOUR methods. Hers I have not read, and can not address, I really don't care about her at all. What I have seen, I am not crazy about, which is why I don't know much about her, or this current crisis in your mind, of a blogger not agreeing with you.
Hyperbole is the realm of those without a real point to make.

[LeftyMom]

42. That's not a threat. That's representative democracy.

Calm the fuck down and read a grade school civics book. Jesus.

[WeDidIt]

44. Bernie Sanders is NOT Jane Hamsher's Senator

so your claim is false.

Jane Hamsher is making a threat because she cannot back it up with action.

[girl gone mad]

46. Jane Hamsher didn't write it.

[WeDidIt]

65. She DID Tweet It

unless you're claiming she has a ghost tweeter like Palin.

http://twitter.com/janehamsher

VT Voters to Bernie Sanders: Stand up for what’s right, or risk losing your seat: We thought Bernie... http://bit.ly/7e5c9W #publicoption

[LeftyMom]

48. She's urging his constituents to send him remind him he'll answer to them at the polls.

That's not at all unusual. Get a grip.

[WeDidIt]

51. And his consitutents are taking offense at it.

I suggest you go check out what Vermonters think of this bullshit threat.

[LeftyMom]

52. Saying that his votes will impact the next election is not a threat.

It's how democracy is supposed to work. If the voters like his representation they'll keep him, if they like the other guy better they'll bounce him. :shrug:

Really, you need to get a grip.

[cali]

58. Jane doesn't realize it because she doesn't have a clue about VT

but she's helping him. Vermonters really don't take kindly to flatlanders sticking their little noses in our business- whether they're Randall Terry or Jane Hamsher they'll be derided and pissed on by the vast majority of Vermonters.

[girl gone mad]

45. No, she is not.

Her site is like DU or Daily Kos. The site has hundreds of contributors. This piece was written by someone named Brian Sonenstein.

It's no more valid to attribute this quote to Hamsher than it would have been to pin any of the tripe OMC posted onto Skinner.

[cali]

59. I didn't realize that. Thanks. The op is disingenuous.

[WeDidIt]

63. She tweeted it

See post below this one.

[girl gone mad]

64. No, she didn't tweet it.

The twitter feed for FDL automatically posts headlines from the site.

[WeDidIt]

73. It has Jane Hamsher's name on it

She is responsible for it.

[WeDidIt]

62. So you deny this is her Tweet?

http://twitter.com/janehamsher

VT Voters to Bernie Sanders: Stand up for what’s right, or risk losing your seat: We thought Bernie... http://bit.ly/7e5c9W #publicoption

So are you saying Hamsher has a ghost tweeter like Palin now?

[girl gone mad]

66. Her twitter feed posts headlines from the site.

I'm sure it is automated.

edit: grammar

[WeDidIt]

68. So she DOES have a ghost tweeter

:eyes:

Her tweets, her responsibility.

[ipaint]

56. No but you'll recommend people go to freeperville to visit posters over there you know by name.

You are real familiar with that site. And you are going to boycott FDL. Lucky for FDL.

[SoCalDem]

61. Jane's teevee exposure made her a bit too big for her britches

I know she's passionate about this because she's had 3 recurrences of breast cancer, but she's not going to "change" anything by doing what she's been doing lately.

[GreenTea]

70. She's HOOKED on the limelight!..Lighten up Jane-I think her threats to Lincoln has gone to her head

[debbierlus]

76. Jane stands on her principle that passage of this bill is deeply wrong

I disagree with her on this because Sanders fought for billions of funding for community health centers that will provide non-discrimatory primary health care and DENTAL care. This provision was better then the phony public option that was in the bill. VA priced pharmeceuticals will be available through these centers.

He put the only decent piece of legislation into the bill.

I understand her premise and the argument that was made to filibuster the entire bill is a strong one.

I think Sanders should have filibusterd, but I don't think he needs to be thrown under the bus for not doing so.

[donco6]

77. Just went there. Can't find anything about Bernie. But so what?

Congresspeople live with this "threat" their entire career.

[Sebastian Doyle]

79. Funny thing about all these threads

Cheerleaders really hate Bernie Sanders because he's more of a Democrat than any of their DLC heroes will ever be. So now that they get to attack someone who took on the Angry Dwarf, and disguise it as "we love Bernie !11!!"

...well that's just bizzaro world.

[girl gone mad]

82. It's upside down town around here lately.

A bunch of blue dog/'dlc'ers in "I ♥ Bernie" t-shirts. :rofl:

[donco6]

88. True. Any other time and they lump him in "Crazyville" with Kucinich.

But now he's "under attack" by evil Nazi Jane (who coincidentally recently attacked their hero Rahm) and WOW! Bernie's the MAN!

[WeDidIt]

89. What's more bizzare

is lying about what people think.

Bernie is the best Senator in the Senate, IMO.

[avaistheone1]

80. I don't agree with Jane on this, but I still like and admire Jane.

And I adore Senator Sanders always.

I don't see the need for throwing either one of them under the bus.

[FLAprogressive]

81. Jane Hamsher did not write this, but don't allow that to get in the way of your dishonesty.

[dysfunctional press]

84. the first time i ever heard of jane hamsher was three days ago. i'm NOT impressed.

[backscatter712]

85. Hamsher's gone completely batshit.

Apparently, now she's hanging out with Grover "Drown the government in a bathtub" Norquist.

Somebody get her some thorazine!

[Jamastiene]

86. That would be an incedibly dumb idea. Sanders is actually a progressive.

He's not a Democrat, but he's a progressive for sure.