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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 01:06 PM
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The (Fading) Call of Obama: Have liberals embraced a "deeply conservative" President?
Street pretty much predicted from the beginning what we would get with an Obama adminstration. If you're interested in this sort of thing, he's written a fairly lengthy article describing how the left embraced the myth of Obama as the liberal Man of Change rather than the reality of Obama as the "deeply conservative" Defender of the Status Quo. Even if you don't agree with Street, it's probably worth a read just so you can intensify your contempt for the kind of left commentary you're likely to see more of as the Obama administration moves on from bailing out Wall Street and the insurance industry to "fixing" education and "fighting" climate change.

http://www.zcommunications.org/znet/viewArticle/23434

The (Fading) Call of Obama
December 23, 2009 By Paul Street

Now that Barack Obama is being exposed like never before as a tool and agent of concentrated wealth, business class rule, and militarism, 2009 is ending on a distinct note of liberal disenchantment. His "progressive base" is restive over his actions to an unprecedented (to use Obama's favorite word <1>) degree as the president of "Yes we can" has morphed (as widely predicted on "hard left") into the pallid symbol of "No We can't - as the clarion of "change" has emerged as another Democratic office-holder whose outwardly progressive campaign pledges translate into corrupt, corporate and imperial nothingness in the real world of power.

"THIS IS A CON JOB"

The signs of liberal and progressive anger at Obama ("The Empire's New Clothes," as I described immediately him after his election to the presidency) are hard to miss. The former sixties radical and "Progressives for Obama" (PFO) co-founder Tom Hayden announced that he was "scraping the Obama sticker off my car" after the president gave his West Point Afghan War Speech three weeks ago. <2> Formed by such leading left-liberal lights as Hayden, Bill Fletcher, Cornwell West, and Barbara Ehrenreich, PFO has dropped its president's name from the organization, re-christened "Progressive America Rising." <3>

The editor of the liberal-left magazine The Progressive has noted that Obama's West Point oration read as if had been penned by "Bush's speechwriters"<4>, connecting The One to the liberal-loathed image of Dubya - consistent with the left commentator Alexander Cockburn's observation that "war war, whether the battle standard is being waved by a white moron from Midland, Texas or an eloquent black man from Chicago."<5>

The congressional Black Caucus has undertaken some criticism of, and confrontation with, the first black president for placing "Wall Street's agenda" above the needs of black and other minority citizens. <6>

The ACLU recently issued a blistering indictment of Obama's handling of Bush administration war crimes the ACLU said the Obama White House refused to prosecute and went to extraordinary lengths to cover up. <7>

There has been considerable liberal and progressive criticism of the weak, corporate-captive climate "deal" (with no binding restrictions on carbon emissions from the industrialized states that have created the climate crisis) that Obama came back from Copenhagen with in mid December of 2009 - an outcome that was already indicated in the administration's previous efforts to undermine serious global climate reform.<8> The criticism is well founded, for, as the leading climate activist and intellectual George Monbiot notes, "The immediate reason for the failure of the talks can be summarized in two words: Barack Obama. The man elected to put aside childish things proved to be as susceptible to immediate self-interest as any other politician. Just as George Bush did in the approach to the Iraq war, Obama went behind the backs of the UN and most of its member states and assembled a coalition of the willing to strike a deal which outraged the rest of the world. This was then presented to poorer nations without negotiation; either they signed it or they lost the adaptation funds required to help them survive the first few decades of climate breakdown."<9>

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The erudite idiocy of the liberal intellectual's belief that "Barack" (Obama's supporters often tend to fantasize that they are on a first name basis with the president) was "left" was transparent. The journalist based his opinion on, among other things, Obama's "ethnicity" (as if being black precluded being essentially conservative like, say Colin Powell or Bill Cosby of Clarence Thomas), on the preposterous belief that the University of Chicago (notorious as the breeding ground and headquarters of arch-regressive neoliberal economics) is "strongly leftist-academic" (with an implicit image, also false, of the academy itself as leftist), and, in the end, an intuitive sense that is beyond "proof" and which "I just think." Never mind that Larissa MacFarquhar - a properly "mainstream" journalist with no evident leftist sentiments - made a serious and more-than-intuitive attempt to "crawl inside head" in the spring of 2007 and found, after extensive interviews, that the future president was "deeply conservative." By MacFarquhar's account, Obama was a profoundly cautious, power-respecting conciliator prone to prefer the persistence of traditional social and institutional hierarchy over positive social progress and to question government's capacity to quickly solve social problems like poverty:

"In his view of history, in his respect for tradition, in his skepticism that the world can be changed any way but very, very slowly, Obama is deeply conservative. There are moments when he sounds almost Burkean. He distrusts abstractions, generalizations, extrapolations, projections. It's not just that he thinks revolutions are unlikely: he values continuity and stability for their own sake, sometimes even more than he values change for the good...

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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 01:07 PM
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1. No!
Never did!

I voted for Obama with my nose held.
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 01:17 PM
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2. "Deeply Conservative"?
Edited on Thu Dec-24-09 01:21 PM by sharp_stick
Have people no idea what the conservative mindset and overarching goals are?

Honestly I'm not that surprised that some people would hold this view but anyone that didn't know what they were getting when Obama won the primary and then the general election, is either deluded, stupid or both.

I knew exactly what I was getting, I worked for the campaign and voted for the man and I'll do it again in a fucking heartbeat.

The stupidest part of this entire moronic screed of bat guano has to be linking together three black guys like Powell, Cosby and Thomas as though they have anything in common other than the color of their skin.

I wish I could unrec the underlying thesis of the commentary as a whole a couple of thousand times just for the basic stupidity and waste of time is was to read.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 01:19 PM
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4. +100
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RobinA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 02:07 PM
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5. "Deeply Conservative"
does seem like a bit of a stretch. I thought Obama was center right a year and a half ago and I still think he is center right. In the '70's he would have been a Republican, back before Repubs turned batsh*t crazy. Anybody who is surprised that he's not the lib many people thought he was just wasn't listening.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 02:50 PM
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13. Can't help it...LOL.
You should be ashamed.
Still LOL.
:patriot:
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 05:37 PM
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23. It's a shame the DUzys have been taken off the table
:rofl:
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 05:28 PM
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19. I live in Maine & am self-employed & uninsured & this bill sucks
I DO NOT want to pay for CEOs' luxury cars and yachts, I want health care. It's as simple as that. I WILL resist this fucking TAX that gets me some dubious "insurance policy" with no regulation of the amount of co-pay or deductibles and allows everything except "unreasonable" executive "bonuses"--with "unreasonable" determined by Timothy Geithner. I cannot afford $400/month for a "policy"--after I pay that, how much will I pay for fucking HEALTH CARE? Thanks Obama for fucking nothing. One more USELESS bill to pay, with the IRS acting as "enforcer." That's soooo "American," isn't it, the land of the serfs, home of the stupid, the god-awful BRAINDEAD fucking LOSERS who can't even tell when they're being SCREWED.
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 02:08 PM
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6. maybe another neoliberal/neocon DLCer....yes
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 02:10 PM
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8. I'm with you
"deeply" conservative - not so much.
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TheWebHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 02:14 PM
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9. some of the people bellyaching today don't realize
they're actually helping Obama's cause and emboldening him to get this bill passed. After being hammered for being an anti-business socialist wanting to redistribute wealth since being in office, the left wing of the Democratic party, the greens, and actual socialists are howling, allowing Obama to have a Sistah Souljah moment w/ the left wing and as the economy improves in 2010, gain traction with independents who had been peeling off. Once the fringe hears campaign promises for the Republican hopefuls in 2011, they may look like they're sucking lemons and dry heaving as they do it, but they'll vote again for Obama.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 02:17 PM
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10. Deeply Condservative?
In the sense that Eisenhower, Goldwater, and Nixon were "deeply conservative" then you are correct.
In fact, on some issues, Obama falls to The Right of them.

*Increase funding for Military Spending

*Expand wars for Corporate resources

*Channel Public Money into the Private Sector

*Defund Medicare

*Wall Street over Main Street

*Trickle Down "stimulus"

*"Entitlement Reforms" next on the list

*Tell LABOR that we must compete with 3rd World Slave Labor for our jobs

*Expand "Faith Based" initiatives

There is not much Obama as done that could even be called "Moderate"

FDR and LBJ certainly wouldn't recognize Obama as a "Democrat".


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone


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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 02:19 PM
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11. Eisenhower actually warned of the military industrial complex. this prez is in the pockets of it.
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 05:08 PM
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15. And as many like to point out, he hasn't even been in office for a year.
Who knows what he can accomplish over an entire term.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 05:32 PM
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21. Well, "Entitlement Reforms" ARE next on the list.
Say "goodbye" to Social Security and Medicare.

ONLY a "Centrist" Democrat could get away with this.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 02:43 PM
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12. I don't think he's deeply conservative,
Edited on Thu Dec-24-09 02:43 PM by Blue_In_AK
but I don't believe he's as liberal as a lot of people hoped he would be. He's a middle-of-the-road centrist who is trying to govern in a way that won't bring too much heat upon himself, which is why he let congress flounder around with this contentious health issue.
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 02:52 PM
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14. We've had conservative presidents for 30 years now.
Both sides. I agree with the op. Being deeply conservative is the only way you get close to the white house now.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 05:10 PM
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16. This is one aspect of why the "unprecedented" angle was so necessary
i.e. woman or black man = keep your eye of the ball
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 05:19 PM
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17. Obama is to the right of Bill Clinton
who was very much a conservative/centrist democrat.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 05:25 PM
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18. The record thus far seems to indicate that...
which does not portend well for 2010.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 05:30 PM
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20. Call it what you want... but I'm not getting what I wanted...
His comments two nights ago not withstanding.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 05:34 PM
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22. Welcome to the 5% Club n/t
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 07:56 PM
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26. True story. n/t
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 05:46 PM
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24. Obama is to the right of Eisenhower, Nixon, and Clinton
and starting with health care, I fear will succeed beyond Reagan's wildest ambitions.

Social security and medicare and public education are all targeted with policy movements that are GOP wet dreams.

Vilsack and Salazar are Reaganesque picks of Agriculture (includes National Forests) and Interior respectively.

So very, very sad.

Besides AfPak our military is showing a much larger foot print in Latin America and Africa than under GWB.

Obama did not campaign as but is a neo-liberal.

He was the first POTUS ever that I liked my vote.

We need to keep his feet to the fire.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 08:06 PM
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28. Agree
exactly on point.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 05:58 PM
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25. He's the most liberal president we've had since at least LBJ...
...and on social issues, he's obviously far more liberal than LBJ.

This is just reactionary crap. Too many people don't know how to do anything but criticize, rant and rave. The Bush years are over. It's time to wake up.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 07:58 PM
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27. It's not whether he's more liberal than LBJ...
It's how much more liberal he is than the average rethug today... currently... it's not looking promising.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 12:45 AM
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29. Any more BS to offer?
If that's what you're pushing, you're not going to get far with anyone who thinks, even once a day, say.
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 01:06 AM
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30. Goldman Sachs admin!
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 12:13 PM
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31. So what has he done?
Guantanamo won't be closing til spring 2011 at the earilest...

The war in Iraq continues whether they want to tell you or not.

The war in Afghanistan is escalating.

We have not passed health care reform and have in fact caved to every wish of the insurance industry.

We have not repealed DOMA or DADT.

We were treated with a Nobel lecture promising peace through war.

The national debt is still rising and the budget is still not balanced.

Help me out here...
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 01:21 PM
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32. Looking back.. I don't think Obama was meant to win...
Let me explain..

I think most people will agree that Goldman Sachs and the corporations run our country.

I think it was their plan that Hillary win the election.. but somehow Obama got in the way with his Hope and Change message and he managed to pull it off. After eight years of Bush fascism.. it's understandable the voters were "Stockholm Syndrome". Hope and Change is what we needed.

Goldman Sachs had it planned.. Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton-Bush (Jeb) etc, etc ... just like an old pair of comfortable slippers you drag out of the closet... the dynasty was set to continue forever.

If it hadn't been for the outright greed and corruption of Wall Street, by taking more than they needed or could possible use, putting nothing back into the system, their plan may have went on for another 50 or 60 years?

I'm thankful Obama is our President. I think he will hold off Marshall Law for little while longer and keep the Blackwater goons at bay, (Blackwater being the knee-cappers and enforcers for the Bankers).

But I think Obama is a one-term President.. he is done. Lloyd Blankfein and the boys at Goldman are already lining up Palin/Beck for 2012. And once again.. with the zombie voters and the help of Fox News.. it's a done deal.

Meet the real boss... President Blankfein







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