How much can HCR be further watered down before you say,

[BP2]

"I cannot support this HCR bill" ?

[The Wielding Truth]

1. I'm expecting a major left turn in the House. Then I can support it. nt

[FreakinDJ]

2. Without a MAJOR left turn in the House the Dems will be CRUSHED

[ThePhilosopher04]

3. You are correct...

if this bill doesn't emerge with a strong public option, or at the very least, no mandate, Dems will get slaughtered in 2010 and 2012...this bill is so easy to attack on many fronts - from both the left and the right

[MrCoffee]

4. What is your expectation based on?

I ask honestly, because several people have mentioned the reconciliation process as the means to a positive end, but I'm not at all convinced that the House version of HCR would win out in committee.

Is there anything you can point to to give me some hope?

[BP2]

6. Last night, Stupak was very clear that

Ben Nelson's amendment was "unacceptable" and it would have to go back to the Senate.

That's why some of us really want Barack to start over. The reward is great, but between the Bleak Dogs and the four moderate Democrats in the Senate, the risk to Barack is also very great if things unravel in the ping pongs between the House and the Senate.

[The Wielding Truth]

10. It is political suicide not to make the changes that will improve this bill.

[customerserviceguy]

8. You might support it

but the Senate will never go for the current House bill, or anything more progressive than it. They've already said to the House, "This is the best you're gonna get, you may as well vote for it."

This whole thing is like a game where you toss a water balloon back and forth as the two sides step further away from each other. You bend over backwards and contort yourself wildly just to be able to catch the thing, because you think if you can toss it over just ONE more time, the other guy will be responsible for breaking it.

[Warpy]

5. I'm hoping the House can get a Medicare buy in passed

for people who reached their corporate expiration date at 55 and have no other access to insurance. Without at least that much, this bill is pure shit.

However, it's better than nothing. I say this as someone who has lived with nothing since 1987, priced out at first and then simply eliminated as an insurable person for the last 10 years.

Whether or not I can afford it now is debatable.

To say I'm disgusted by conservative Democrats in the Senate is a massive understatement.

[Echo In Light]

7. Other: indifferent re Obama, do not support this grotesquely Orwellian "reform."

[GreenPartyVoter]

9. I am waiting to see what the final product looks like. Then I will know how

much to gnash my teeth and rend my garments. (Okay, I probably won't do that. But I might come here and complain if the end product is a true disaster.)