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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 02:58 PM
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The last thing I will post on Health Care is my view from the Ground
I observed the first Tea Bagger rally in my area at the behest of a local democratic big whig, I volunteered for the mission and observed them from a far in a park in Bethlehem Township, PA. About 50 people with Don't Tread on me Flags, a few anti-Obama signs and lots of American Flags. I said they don't look like much but to remember that the rebirth of the DNC in 2006 was fueled by the anti-war movement of 2002-2006. The odd thing about the Tea Baggers was for a bunch of people claiming poverty over taxation and hating government, they had rented a moon walk for their kids and were using a Public Park. Just seemed an odd contrast, gotta love America where you can scream about how you are being bankrupted with expensive rental play toys in parks funded by taxes and given any attention.

In May/June (can't remember if it was the end of May or the beginning of June) I went to the first OFA meeting for HCR for the area. The effort was petitions, phone calls, and fairs for the media. I called the OFA twice and asked them to do something more edgy, they assured me they got this.

I was not surprised to see screaming Tea Baggers on the TV in contrast with OFA people on street corners with Public Option buttons (they made themselves). I was not surprised at the debate starting to lose steam either.

Meanwhile, Moveon.org was doing the same type of thing as the White House run OFA groups and so was every other group except Organized Labor, which took an approach of doing a rally on the Mall bigger than what the Tea Baggers did later, which was not reported by any media outlet and going to Insurance company headquarters and getting arrested. They were actually making the bigger impact as far as they at least got covered on the web and seemed to show more the urgency of the issue than the OFA people with their petitions and taking blood pressure.

By September, the Tea Baggers had been so effective that local candidates from the suburbs were complaining that OFA people were in the democratic tent during the Allentown Fair and they didn't want to be associated with Obama. Arlen Specter and Bob Casey had committed to voting for the bill yet they were still getting phone calls, and the OFA groups were more focused on HCR lobbying than doing things for Democratic candidates in 2009 even ones that locally were OFA members, thus PA will be redistricted by GOP judges. Turn out was abysmally low, and I was amazed at the people who would show up at an OFA meeting but not for a canvass shift for the party. I knew these people, they did plenty of canvas shifts in 2008. I was more worried about the County Commissioner races and the City Council races because they would be the ones supervising the stimulus funds, I had led an effort for, and to be fair, I didn't really see the value of the petition drives and since there were plenty of petition gatherers out there, I figured my knowledge of canvassing, phonebanking, and the party VAN system was better used helping those folks. At the very least to get turnout up for those Judicial races.

Finally around late October, the liberal groups like Moveon.org appeared to give up on Message discipline inc and started to do their own thing. The Heather Graham ad and other things were examples of this, and their tone in their emails changed.

The 50 state program was scrapped for the OFA idea, and thus far it has failed to deliver anything for the party. So forgive me, if I have a distrust of leadership right now. I haven't seen it be effective.
We got a bill, without the biggest things people wanted and with a provision that was campaigned against in the primary.

Now flame away.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 03:01 PM
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1. By all accounts including Sanders and Krugman the bill will save lives and reduce costs

What exactly from your message am I supposed to tell the folks, and I know a bunch of them, whose lives will be shortened if this bill is defeated.

The bill is not progressive, hell I don't even think that the Public Option is that progressive, but it will save lives and reduce costs.

Is there some other bottom line I am unaware of that takes precedence over saving lives and reducing costs?
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 03:02 PM
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2. I guess you didn't read my commentary on tactics
Edited on Thu Dec-24-09 03:09 PM by AllentownJake
I'm not debating the bill anymore that debate is over, few DUers will say this is exactly what they want. I'm discussing the Party's effort to get the bill.

60 Senators and this is the best they could deliver, and the President took a hit, things could have been done a lot better.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 03:12 PM
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5. Your correct I thought that your tactical discussion was a premise to go against the bill.

For the last 40 years there have been attempts to increase the federal government's authority in the health care sector and except for children we haven't gotten to first base until now so the current tactics have to be viewed in that context.

It will be interesting to think together about what tactics can be used to take the significant "floors" established in this bill and expand them but obviously people aren't ready yet.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 03:22 PM
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8. They need to go back into the drawing board room
and re-think what they just did and how they used resources, because if they don't they are lambs for the slaughter.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 03:09 PM
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3. Everyone has a story.
"Arlen Specter and Bob Casey had committed to voting for the bill yet they were still getting phone calls..."

Sounds like a story designed to put a damper on the recent news that OFA made 1 million calls.

Have you heard: The bill passed.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 03:11 PM
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4. Yes Pro it passed
With none of the things you shilled for over the past 3 months.

Calling Bob Casey and Arlen Specter over and over and over again seems to be a little counter productive when Barack Obama plays basketball with one, and the other will don a Che' hat if he thinks it gives him liberal street cred before a primary.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 03:14 PM
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7. Oh look,
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 03:27 PM
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10. The last 2 weeks of this debate was spent punching allies in the face
Not a good way to build for future victories.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 03:13 PM
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6. Tactically speaking, I think you nailed it 100%
Huge mistakes were made by the leadership. Probably the biggest was to underestimate the furor of the opponents to health care reform.

Definitely, it could have been done so much better. The DNC needs a strategic thinker who is a good tactician driving their marketing. This fiasco was a huge fail and probably cost a lot of lives because we certainly could have done so much better.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 03:23 PM
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9. Thank you
I'm not trying to attack the bill for its shortcomings anymore. I want people to be aware that we can do better in these fights. We did a piss poor job this time.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 03:29 PM
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11. Don't get me wrong, I still consider this a huge victory
but Antietem was a huge victory for the Union, too. And that was the bloodiest day in American history!
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 03:34 PM
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12. I call it a win, not a huge win, not a small win, a win
I'm not really wanting to debate that, I'm saying in the next fight, fight smarter, so you aren't slapping some of your biggest supporters (Moveon.org, Howard Dean, Labor, etc) around to close the deal.

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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 03:39 PM
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13. Second worst mistake tactically
was not utilizing the militia properly (Moveon.org, Howard Dean, Labor, etc.)
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 03:51 PM
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14. They were more worried about controlling them
Than letting them do, what they have been doing for years, quite effectively.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-24-09 04:27 PM
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15. Kick
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