I am an Obama supporter and was there from the get go in Iowa..

[Peacetrain]

Obama did NOT campaign on the public option.. He campaigned on having everyone having the same access to insurance that the congress had.

He would love a public option, we would all love a public option..He wanted to sign a public option


BUT HE DID NOT CAMPAIGN ON IT.. at every stop when he talked about access to health care it was that all Americans should be able to access insurance the way the congress does..

[theophilus]

1. I believe this to be the truth. Well done. Thank you. n/t

[FLAprogressive]

3. Truthiness. nt

[FLAprogressive]

2. That's Bullshit with a capital "B"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x416707

[Electric Monk]

6. Win

[Peacetrain]

8. Yes you are full of it with a capital B...

[FLAprogressive]

10. Was that Obama's body double in that video???

[Electric Monk]

11. Did you click the link? Video of Obama in his own words. nt

[Peacetrain]

17. I listened to it yesterday...Again he campaigned on getting health care like the congress has

Did he say he wanted a public option.. yes


But I was there, I know what his stump speeches were and what he campaigned on day after day..

[FLAprogressive]

21. So when he mentioned "a public plan" in a 2007 campaign speech to Planned Parenthood, he wasn't

campaigning on it?

Or when he mentioned the words "public plan" on his website?

[Bluebear]

66. video:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7318893

[NJmaverick]

13. You must think DUers are pretty stupid

you run a video from 2009 and think we are dumb enough to believe that was his CAMPAIGN?!?!? Some of us pay attention and demand FACTS. We don't just jump on any fake propaganda just to push an agenda.

[FLAprogressive]

19. So the 2007 speech at Planned Parenthood (which is in the video) doesn't count?

[NJmaverick]

29. Oh you are saying there is a kernal of truth in the pile of lies given out

by the "he's a liar" group?

[rwheeler31]

48. ok it is bed time

[sandnsea]

27. Actually, that says a public plan, not a public option

I hate to pick nits here, but the exchange is a public plan because it's managed by public agencies.

[tonysam]

34. He mentioned public option, too.

It's a distinction without a difference, and I think the Obama supporters know that.

[sandnsea]

72. There's no doubt Howard Dean campaigned on subsidized insurance

It was the foundation of his proposal and he campaigned on it every day, at every campaign stop. But now you would swear he never said a word about private insurance and was the pied piper of single payer.

Campaigning on a particular platform has a meaning. Mentioning that you'd like everyone to have a college education doesn't mean that you're promising to pay for everyone to go for as long as they'd like, success or failure. Obama campaigned on a set of health care principles, but he did not promise a public option.

[theophilus]

37. All I know is that many on this board kept demanding that Mr. O state that he

"must have" a PO. It never happened.

[Dappleganger]

77. Some people hear only what they want to hear, too.

[UTUSN]

4. I wasn't with him in Iowa, but I *am* NOW. n/t

[pokercat999]

5. I watched a speech where Obama said he was FOR single

payer! It was at some union rally. I saw the clip on tv at the time of the speech. So I can only guess you are going to say "well that's not the same as "campaigning" for it". If so, it just means you spin as much as obama lies.

[FLAprogressive]

9. that was before Obama became bought and paid for nt

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

54. I believe he was bought and paid for before that. He told people what they wanted to hear

and he is a masterful liar.

[sandnsea]

30. He is still for single payer

He just knows it can't be passed, so NO, he definitely did not campaign on it. That has been the single stupidest argument against him the left has made and that kind of bullshit is exactly why I can't align myself with the left.

[dflprincess]

74. That was when he was a lowly state senator

By the time he was a presidential candidate he had dropped any talk of single payer, but still opposed mandates. Once he was president he'd barely even listen to single payer advocates and had changed his mind about mandates.

The further up the ladder he goes, the more corporate friendly he becomes.

I'm sure he'll do very well after he leaves "public" service.

[rwheeler31]

7. You are correct.

Things are getting weird on the left.

[live love laugh]

12. Thr revisionists want to make him look bad. nt

[NJmaverick]

14. Yes they keep running 2009 videos and quotes claiming it was his campaign.

[Electric Monk]

16. Isn't that worse? That's not an out.

[NJmaverick]

25. Nope, that's what he wanted, not what he campaigned on or promised

[Electric Monk]

36. Nice parsing, right up there with "'Mission Accomplished' only meant this single mission"

Blind partisans only get coal from me this Christmas.

[NJmaverick]

39. What about people blinded by their ideology? What do they get?

Although I am not too keen on your idea that you call a man a liar then will not admit to having any facts to back up the accusation.

[Electric Monk]

61. You can look in a mirror. Tell us what you see. nt

[Peacetrain]

41. This makes as much sense, as the when the looney tunes went nuts over guns and religion etc

They went on and on that Obama was talking down low information voters, and it was 180 degrees the opposite.. he was trying to explain to elitists why some low information voters cling to their guns and religion.fear..

same thing saffron

[Bluebear]

20. What you describe is worse, then, because the more RECENT video shows he wanted this 'robust' option

[NJmaverick]

28. Nope, only to the "he's a liar" group. It just shows he wanted a PO

but it doesn't show that is what he campaigned or promised.

[donco6]

45. Yeah, darn those videos and quotes.

Don'tcha just HATE that?

[NJmaverick]

46. Only thing I don't like is people trying to dishonestly pass off 2009 video as campaign promises

[donco6]

47. I used to not like lying politicians.

Now I'm just really, really used to it.

[Electric Monk]

49. So now you do concede that he did in fact say that. We're making progress. nt

[NJmaverick]

51. Progress will be when you apologize for false accusations

anything else is so much hot air

[Electric Monk]

58. link please

or are you projecting?

[NJmaverick]

69. here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7318733&mesg_id=7318914

[Electric Monk]

80. Funny. Try this one instead

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7313189

[Electric Monk]

83. Or this one. Here you go, NJmaverick, go take on William Rivers Pitt if you dare. Have at it.

You're so mavericky

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7308088&mesg_id=7308088

[Bluebear]

LOL

[tonysam]

33. It's not revisionism if the words are coming out of his own mouth.

People need to give it up--now. Obama is not God.

[lunatica]

15. Well then he's absolved because everyone knows politicians always keep their campaign promises

Its funny how 'reality' hits the new Presidents at our expense after they're elected. I've never known a Presidential candidate to fulfill their campaign promises. Everything always changes after the elections and not because the American people want something. The status quo and those who make sure it stays that way always get their way.

[tblue]

56. What was his campaign slogan again? "Yes we...Yes we...?"

Was it "Yes we can have some more reality"? I'd at least have to respect that. How foolish were we to believe "Yes we can" meant "Yes we can." Silly us.

[Bluebear]

18. 'He would love a public option, we would all love a public option.He wanted to sign a public option'

So why "DID HE NOT CAMPAIGN ON IT!!!" if he loves it so?

[Peacetrain]

23. You have to ask him that yourself...

[Bluebear]

24. Well you seem to be in his head!

[sandnsea]

32. Because IT CAN'T PASS

What is it about democracy and votes that you just can't get through your thick skull?

[tblue]

50. What does it matter what the President "would love"?

Not one of can read his mind, far as I know. What someone says and what's deep in their heart are often two different things. Why does it matter anyway? Do you get extra credit for "wanting" or "loving to have" even if you're not "accomplishing" or "fighting like hell for" it?

[Bluebear]

52. I would love to be 6'3" and 175 pounds.

I still won't fit into 32" waist pants.

[Donnachaidh]

22. someone's been nipping at the spiked koolaid a wee bit too much

Rove would be proud -- if you SAY something often enough, it becomes the truth. Even IF there is videotape, etc.

:eyes:

[Peacetrain]

26. You can pull it out of anything out of thin air and try and apply it to Iowa.. I was there..were you

[Donnachaidh]

73. is this the political version of *I know you are, but what am I*?

Let me think -- do I believe the word of an anonymous poster who hasn't provided ANY physical proof that they were anywhere near these campaigns -- or videotape of the actual speech?

Que the jeopardy music, for 20 seconds....

Nope -- you FAIL.

[tonysam]

40. It's there, and it's not just from 2009, either.

It's from the campaign as well, as Laurence O'Donnell so damningly showed last night on Countdown.

[Peacetrain]

44. I am in Iowa.. and I was there, and I KNOW what he campaigned on .. period..

[FLAprogressive]

42. But his own words are not a reliable source.

[tonysam]

31. More weasel words. Yes, he did.

What he didn't campaign on was single-payer. Big difference.

He got caught in a lie of monumental proportions, and it was completely unnecessary for him to lie his ass off to the WP.

[Peacetrain]

35. BULL HOCKEY..

[Condem]

60. Hey, Peace.

Merry Christmas. I see the backboneless are out in full force, tonight. Tough talk, fuckers. Ya got anything else?

[Peacetrain]

63. Hey Condem! Merry Christmas to you too!.. how you liking this weather?

Luckily Junior came home from Iowa City Sunday... out here on the western border we are looking at 20 plus inches before tomorrow night.. can you say WHITE CHRISTMAS! :)

[Condem]

65. Best wishes, Peace.

A couple of inches, maybe. Good post& good fight. Thank you.

[donco6]

62. You say that a lot.

Does it mean anything?

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

38. Iowa and Hope running thru the streets

I'll never forget.

[tblue]

53. There it goes!

Must be east of Poughkeepsie about now.

[goclark]

43. I am a Senior and I've heard so many Presidents campaign

in my life time.

What they say and what they are able to do are two different things ~
It fascinates me that so many people think that every word that comes out of the mouth of a politician during the heat of a campaign should be signed, sealed and delivered to everyone within the sound of his/her voice.

It is campaign talk and unless WE.CAN. push the Congress to make it happen, HE can't make it happen by himself.

His name is Obama not Superman!

Now Bush was different because HE was not the President, he was truly Howdy Dowdy and he did what his Daddy, Cheney and Rove told him to do -- their buddies in the M$M went right along with their ownership of our country and Democrats sat and complained and all we did was TALK and COMPLAINING ~ we had no power to do anything else and frankly we still don't have the power - BUSH still does. The sooner we wake up and realize that little fact, the sooner we can try to work together as Democrats to stick together ~ stop being craps in a barrel, they never get out.

BUSHCO owned America and they still DO!

[Kalun D]

71. The difference

There's a marked difference in how hard Obama tried to win the presidency, he beat the Clintons, an amazing feat, and how hard he's campaigned for health care. He's laid down.

After he's in office virtually NONE of his promises have been kept. In fact he's gone in the direct opposite direction on many of them.

This isn't about being incapable. This is about being complicit with the corporations.

[goclark]

84. I'll stick with my view nt

[chill_wind]

55. Sounds like a few folks are experiencing some sharp cognitive dissonance.

perhaps for the very first time. It's uncomfortable parting with strong illusions.

He had also said a mandate wasn't the answer. Obama is a human, mortal politician who has his hands very full of bad shit stacked up against this that he walked into, his leadership has been less agressive than many hoped to see on this, but whether you agree about that or not -- he has just plain been (foolishly) less than politically honest in this HCR aftermath. He dissembled. The records of it first-hand are there. He's not the first President to do it, and he won't be the last.

[HipChick]

57. Thank you for posting this.. seems people heard what they wanted to hear on his campaign

[sendero]

59. Let's face it..

.. some democrats are as big a liar as Obama. He said it, there is proof all over the place so good luck with your attempt to erase the truth.

[Orangepeel]

64. That's kind of silly. He fucked up the quote to the Washington Post. Big deal.

He should have said what he said in the subsequent PBS interview -- that he supported the public option but compromises had to made and it's still a good bill.

IMO, it's silly to try to justify the statement as accurate and it's silly to make a big deal of it. I doubt seriously that he went into the interview intending to rewrite history. It was just a fucked up quote.

[Patriot 76]

67. Some days it's like the Twilight Zone around here.

Lately it's every day.

And the divide around here gets wider and wider every day.

[Electric Monk]

68. Feel free to elaborate on those sentiments with your 18th post

... not that I'm implying you're somebody's sock puppet, as that'd be against the rules...

[fascisthunter]

70. oh boy

[notesdev]

75. Obama must have a policy talent for "speaking in tongues"

Whatever he says, anyone listening hears what they want to hear and only what they want to hear.

Kinda sucks for him when all those people expect him to follow through on it.

[jgraz]

76. Oh, good. Cuz I was hoping we'd elected another slick, "meaning of IS" con artist.

I feel better already.

[Bluebear]

82. :)

[TomCADem]

78. Agreed - The Nontroversy Folks Are Pulling Single References To A Public Plan In Long Speeches

To argue Aha! he campaigned on it. Yet, when you read the entire speech, interview of booklet, it is clear that the public plan is NOT the focus of President Obama's campaign. Oddly, when I have listed speeches and interviews in their entirety without comment, these posts have been un-recc'd.

It is as though folks are not interested in the truth. Rather, they want to push the talking point that President lied, which he did not.

[HughMoran]

79. At this point, it really doesn't matter

It was part of a platform and was barely mentioned during the campaign, but it's all moot now as the 58 + 1 was not enough to get the public option in the senate. If Lieberman wasn't actually a Republican or the Senate rules weren't so effed up, I'd be more pissed. Trying to squeeze blood from a rock is never satisfying and requires a lot of effort.

[mmonk]

81. .

http://yeswestillcan.org/