The castration of liberal populism & the Dem ownership of Mandatory Corporate Ins is a GOP wet dream

[Faryn Balyncd]

....any way you slice it.


Not only have we squandered the greatest voter mandate in memory.


We have repudiated the great majority of Americans who favor a public plan option and oppose mandated corporate insurance.


We single-handedly resurrected an unsustainable, predatory industry.


And the ownership by our party of the CORPORATE-INSURANCE-ONLY Mandate is a massive gift to the GOP.

[Oregone]

1. it's life, and life only

[Bicoastal]

2. What's this "We?"

I blame YOU!

[griffi94]

3. the individual mandate is

going to be the kiss of death.

[ProSense]

4. I'll take massive hyperbole for $500, Alex. n/t

[galileoreloaded]

12. 11 mins. from OP to your post. Your slipping.

you know they only pay for spin meted out in 6 minutes and under. Lets speed it up shall we, those boys at Aetna work pretty hard for this marketing budget, you know.

[ProSense]

13. Hyperbole is irrelevant. n/t

[galileoreloaded]

22. Excellent use of obsfucation.

keep the poster off-edge with random phrases devoid of cognitive meaning. This confuses the poster and causes them to cease contact.

You must have really listened in class. A real dandy. Don't forget, we pick up checks on the 1st and 15th. See ya round, partner.

[Goldstein1984]

5. There seems to be growing dissatisfaction with the Democratic Party

It would benefit them to pay more attention to the Left within the party, or they will lose it.

[ProSense]

6. Growing dissatisfaction

not really.

Same critics as always, just making more noise.

[Goldstein1984]

8. Time will tell, I guess

I don't pay attention to polls. I only have anecdotal information from those I correspond with, and that tells me he's losing support. Two very solid Obama supporters I know have abandoned him over three issues: 1) Don't ask don't tell, 2) Escalation in Afghanistan, and 3) Honduras. I haven't corresponded with them since HCR, but I know all three were opposed to the mandate aspect of the Senate bill several days ago.

The way the party has been attacking the left, lately isn't going to help.

I haven't decided what I'm going to do with my vote next time around. It's a given I won't vote Republican, but I've never bought into the lesser of two evils decision-making process.

[tblue]

15. Yep. Some of us put party first and some of us put policy first.

I don't understand the passion for party over policy. ???? And we will need passion to gotv.

Hi again, Goldstein! Merry Christmas, sweetie! :hi:

[FarLeftFist]

7. I'm not even sure the GOP will still be in existence in 2012.

No one still has stepped forward as their leader, and none of them are even in campaign mode. If Obama's approval hit's even 60% they might just default in 2012.

[eridani]

16. Possible--but remember, they are very good at fake populism

--and mandates are very unpopular.

[omega minimo]

9. And will all those Libertarians and Repugs object to being ordered by Big Gubmint to buy into it?

[inna]

10. you got it.

[PufPuf23]

11. I notice that too, Sadly.

We have to fix the party and get back to New Deal / Great Society social justice minus military imperialism.

This is my dream for the future.

[ThePhilosopher04]

14. Well said...

The Dems have been Bugs Bunnied by the Republicans and only have themselves to blame...they ate the rat poison I'm afraid.

[McCamy Taylor]

17. I am still trying to figure out how the GOP conned the Dems into passing THEIR bill.

Maybe Bush-Cheney handed over the AT&T warrantless wiretap info on Congress to their pals in the insurance industry and they are blackmailing the Senators.

Maybe the insurance industry is threatening to reveal the Senators embarrassing medical secrets---like treatment for VD, abortions, HIV status, mental illness.

[pampango]

19. If this "GOP wet dream" had barely passed with solid repub support and enough Blue Dogs

to make it happen, it would have earned it "Wet Dream" moniker.

When the opposite is what actually happened (solid Democratic and progressive congressional support and unanimous GOP opposition) , it becomes a little tenuous to contend that the GOP tricked Democrats into passing their bill. If the repubs are that smart (voting against bills they "love" and tricking us to passing "their" bill for them), we would never have beaten them and never will again.

[sendero]

20. I don't believe..

... this bill is, on net, good for Americans. I do beleive that it is not what Obama campaigned on.

That said, there is no way the Repugs wanted this bill. And trust me on this, they are going to make a MAJOR campaign issue out of this bill, that is why not one of them voted for it. They are clean.

How successful they will be with this campaign issue remains to be seen, but I suspect that this bill is not going to be popular with the majority of Americans.

[bvar22]

21. I agree.

The Democrats have done the impossible.
They have resurrected a DEAD Republican Party,
and given them credibility for opposing this bill.
as a BONUS, the Democrats gave the Republicans and Corporations every fucking thing they wanted.

If I were a Republican, I couldn't be happier about the way this turned out.

[Vidar]

18. K&R.

[amborin]

23. K (already R-ed) and more here:

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/48738

[Laelth]

24. Agreed. It is shameful. n/t

Kill the bill.

Forcing people to buy insurance is no more the answer to a failed health care system than forcing people to buy houses is the solution to homelessness.

:dem:

-Laelth

[invictus]

25. K&R