Capt_Nemo
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Fri Dec-25-09 08:10 AM
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The "enemy of my enemy is my ally" strategy always ends in blowback |
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Yesterday marked the 30th aniversary of the soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and this most valuable lesson of history should not be forgot, even to some that post on this and other leftist blogs, that seem to be oblivious to it.
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AllentownJake
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Fri Dec-25-09 08:14 AM
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1. Standing with your allies always results in blow back as well |
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Edited on Fri Dec-25-09 08:15 AM by AllentownJake
Vietnam?
To any action there will be unintended consequences.
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Capt_Nemo
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Fri Dec-25-09 08:17 AM
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2. puppets are not allies |
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Fri Dec-25-09 08:18 AM
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Capt_Nemo
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Fri Dec-25-09 08:25 AM
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4. US and France were representing the same interests there |
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Edited on Fri Dec-25-09 08:25 AM by Capt_Nemo
They were indistinguishable. The US only stepped in when the those interests were on the verge of being defeated along with the frech forces.
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Fri Dec-25-09 08:32 AM
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5. Ho Chi Minh originally wanted to set up a western democracy |
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Edited on Fri Dec-25-09 08:34 AM by AllentownJake
Just saying.
I don't think it is wise to team with Tea Baggers. The only way I think it would be worth it is strict campaign finance reform and lobbying restrictions were part of their platform. It isn't.
I will team with any ideology on those issues, simply because it levels the playing field and gives people back democracy.
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Capt_Nemo
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Fri Dec-25-09 09:20 AM
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6. Most of all Ho Chi Minh wanted true independence |
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Edited on Fri Dec-25-09 09:26 AM by Capt_Nemo
not a façade independence, behind which the same interests that prospered under colonialism would continue to rule the place. Since the West refused to give him that, he turned to the Soviets (and, in fact, got a better deal).
About teaming up with teabaggers: that idea is realy (and unfortunately) the demonstration that mindless stupidity is not monopolized by the right wing.
And the irony is that some of those advocating it see themselves as the brightest guys in the progessive camp.
Go figure...
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Fri Dec-25-09 09:33 AM
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7. Coming from the brilliant folks in the center that got us here. |
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30 years of center/right policies have created the mess we are in. But your in good company michelle malkin thinks norquist is an idiot for partering with liberal organizations over and over again in the last decade.
Conservative democrats seem to have their own counterpart in mindless stupidity on the right as well. Imagine that.
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Fri Dec-25-09 09:52 AM
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9. wow what a thougtfull rebutal... |
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Edited on Fri Dec-25-09 09:53 AM by Capt_Nemo
don't you wonder why Sanders and Feingold don't opt for the strategy you seemly aprove of?
It's because its only result is blowback.
For your information I'm well to the left of any party in the US political spectrum, I stand somewhere between the Socialist and the Communist parties in Portugal, where I'm from.
But If you're willing to follow your delusional idols with their half baked strategy off a cliff, be my guest.
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Fri Dec-25-09 10:10 AM
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10. Off a cliff, that's funny. |
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We already stepped off the cliff as a result of 30 years of conservadem policy.
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Fri Dec-25-09 10:12 AM
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11. I hope you'll like it better in the Born Again Republic of Palin & Bachmann |
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Edited on Fri Dec-25-09 10:17 AM by Capt_Nemo
It will be the just reward for you efforts
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Fri Dec-25-09 10:20 AM
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Don't threaten the status quo policy of center right you might get... fill in the blank.
The names have changed over the last three decades but unfortunately conservadems have stopped nothing, in fact they continue to cement corporations into government.
Your threats are meaningless.
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Fri Dec-25-09 10:24 AM
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13. I'm not threatening anything |
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Just telling you that true progressives shouldn't follow stupid strategies with 100% guaranteed disastrous results.
But hey, it is your country, do what you want...
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Fri Dec-25-09 09:41 AM
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8. Some people should remember that before siding with Republicans too. |
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Fri Dec-25-09 11:08 AM
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14. No. The enemy of my enemy is my OTHER enemy. n/t |
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Fri Dec-25-09 11:11 AM
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15. Precisely, but the corolary is that |
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"Unholy alliancies" will backfire.
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