JonBenet's father looking for leads in daughter's death 13 years later

[The Straight Story]

JonBenet's father looking for leads in daughter's death 13 years later



BOULDER, Colo. (AP) — The father of JonBenet Ramsey is making a public plea for help in finding his daughter's killer 13 years after she was found strangled in the basement of her family's Colorado home.

John Ramsey said in a statement Wednesday that he is asking people to share any suspicions they had or recollections of people acting strangely around the time the 6-year-old girl died.

JonBenet was found bludgeoned and strangled Dec. 26, 1996.

A former prosecutor said at the time that Ramsey and his wife, Patsy, were "under an umbrella" of suspicion, but authorities cleared them in 2007. Authorities said new DNA tests pointed to an unknown outsider.

Police continue to investigate the case.

Patsy Ramsey died from cancer in 2006.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-us-jonbenet-ramsey,0,4004006.story

[Skittles]

1. I feel very sorry for this man

he lost two daughters, he and his wife were wrongfully accused, his wife passed away and no one has ever been brought to justice for his little girl's murder

[proud2BlibKansan]

2. What happened to his other daughter?

I didn't remember that.

I also feel sorry for him. I never believed from the day she died that JonBenet's parents killed her.

[XanaDUer]

4. I thought they had a son, not a daughter?

Nt.

[Skittles]

8. his 22 yr old daughter Elizabeth was killed in a car accident in 1992

:cry:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=sh&GRid=3760

[bettyellen]

3. i always thought they had something to do with it- that randsom note makes no sense

that someone would come in, borrow their pad and paper- to write a (crazy) ransom note, and rewrite it? and leave it there with her dead?
i think it was a crazy attempt to delfect. very weird stuff.

[proud2BlibKansan]

9. I never believed the parents killed her

I thought they were strange and that beauty queen crap was just bizarre. But I never thought the parents were guilty. Too many other pieces of evidence pointed to another killer. Also the Boulder cops did a horrible job of investigating. Remember the footprints in the snow that they never even looked at?

[tonysam]

19. Initially I did, but I don't anymore.

There have been a lot of theories kicking around about who did it, including at least one or more who are now dead.

[naaman fletcher]

24. What evidence pointed to another killer?

There is no other evidence. The so called broken basement window was broken a year earlier. When the cops got there, there were cobwebs covering it.

Under interrogation (months later) Patsy remembered her husband breaking the window and talked about cleaning up the glass, but then when asked if she ever got the window fixed she couldn't remember.

Nobody else was in the house, it was one or the other parent, or both.

[proud2BlibKansan]

30. Footprints in the snow in the front yard

That and the incompetence of Boulder law enforcement. The snow melted before they could even look at the footprints. IIRC a reporter pointed them out later in a picture.

[naaman fletcher]

38. right..

because there are never footprints in the snow in front of a home with kids, parents, etc.

[proud2BlibKansan]

40. It was fresh snow and a photographer took a picture

assuming the cops had seen the footprints. Later the picture was published and the cops admitted they hadn't examined them.

[naaman fletcher]

42. and?

It's not hard to tell if someone has broken into a house. Nobody broke into that house. If there were footprints in the yard or not is irrelevant if nobody broke into the house (and then molested her, and took a pen out of pen jar, and wrote on patsy's pad, and then put pen back in jar, and knew Jon's bonus that year, and asked for ransom even though she was dead, and left her there, and had handwriting similar to Patsy's). Really. WTF is it that is so hard to see here?

[proud2BlibKansan]

45. Handwriting similar to Patsy's?

First time I've heard that.

One of the cops and a prosecutor have said they were convinced it wasn't anyone in the family. Didn't one of them write a book about it?

[naaman fletcher]

48. Yes

They couldn't prove it was Patsy's handwriting, but it was very similar. They could disprove that it was anyone else's that they looked at. And don't forget, it ws her pad, and she used the pen she took from her little pen jar, and then put it back.

You really see some random person breaking into house (but there was zero signs that anyone broke in) writing a bizarre ransom note where one knows the amount of Jon's bonus, using that pen, and then putting the pen back, all the while the girl is dead downstairs?

This is one of those things where it is so easy, that people want to concoct wild stories about how it had to be something really bizarre.

[Neecy]

12. The weirdest thing about that ransom note....

I read this in an article a couple of years ago, and for some reason it stuck with me.

The pen that it was written with was a basic felt-tip pen that was kept in a little pen and pencil cup by the telephone in the kitchen.

The 'kidnapper' took the pen out of the cup, practiced writing the ransom note, wrote it, and then put the pen back in the cup.

If I was a kidnapper, I would have stuck that pen - a piece of evidence - in my pocket. If I lived in the home and was used to putting the pen back in the cup after using it, that's probably what I'd do.

We'll never know what actually happened. But the ransom note thing on a girl that wasn't kidnapped but murdered looks a little too much like a setup.

[donheld]

29. I always thought they did it and still do.

[northernlights]

34. the dna evidence exonerated them

it was a stranger's dna. Unidentified dna. Guess it doesn't match anything in the dna database either.

[naaman fletcher]

43. BS.. it exonerated nobody..

the whole crime scene was conataminated. ON THE NIGHT SHE DIED NOBODY ELSE WAS IN THAT HOUSE.

[northernlights]

47. in which case, why would her father go public begging?

Wouldn't he just take his "BS" exoneration and go quietly into the night, knowing the family secret was safe?

As I recall, there was a party going on that evening. They were not alone in the house. And the DNA wasn't found "all around the house." It was from her underpants.

[Raine]

41. At first I thought they did it but later

I came believe it was someone else.

edit: added one word

[naaman fletcher]

44. because the ramseys spent money on media..

NOBODY ELSE WAS IN THAT HOUSE BUT THEM. PERIOD. ONE OF THEM DID IT.

[elocs]

6. Parents are always the first suspects and generally with good reason.

To detectives, a little girl who is strangled in the basement of her own home while everyone else sleeps stinks to high heaven.

I doubt that it will ever be known who really committed the crime. No parent should know the pain of outliving their children.

[XanaDUer]

5. I've just posted this in the true-crime forum

Thank you for posting this story. I wonder if we will ever find out what really happened. It is a very bizarre story.

[The Straight Story]

7. I didn't even know we had that forum

Shows how much I pay attention :) Thanks, whatever your name is..... :rofl: will check it out.

[XanaDUer]

27. Um...

You're welcome.

[Pab Sungenis]

10. He wants help with a lead?

I'll mail him a mirror.

Sorry, I still believe that he, his wife, or their son had something to do with it.

[marshall]

11. Maybe he and OJ and Robert Blake can form a support group

He's already dating Natalee Holloway's mother, isn't he? It seems like people in these high profile cases are drawn to each other.

[kestrel91316]

15. You took the words right out of my mouth. I still think either he or the mom

knew the whole story.

[niyad]

20. let's see-alarm turned off, no tracks in snow--that window in basement too small

body picked up and evidence disturbed--police did not check the room where she was found first time around--practice ransom note--the ramseys dictated HOW they were to be questioned (and basically never were)-- interesting story indeed.

[proud2BlibKansan]

32. Yes there were footprints in the snow

But the snow melted before the cops could look at them.

[Hayabusa]

16. Agreed completely

They should team up to look for "Some Puerto Rican Guy". </South Park reference>

[donco6]

13. I was going to say his leads are all 6 feet under.

And that one ain't talking.

[jmowreader]

14. I think we can discount the mother immediately

With JonBenet, Patsy Ramsey was "someone"--the mother of Little Miss Sunshine there. If she would have lived, she would have been kept on the pageant trail and eventually made Miss Buffalo Chip or something. WithOUT JonBenet, she's just some executive's wife.

I also discount the father. If he's like most high-ranking executives he is at work more than he's home. He made so much money he counted it by weight, so whatever his wife did to amuse herself (so long as it didn't involve sex with the cabana boy) was fine with him. And let's face it, he probably thought it was kinda cool that his kid was in the paper so much.

I have thought, since this happened, that one of their other children did it. You can understand the motivation: night after night of "I've taken JonBenet to dance class/costume fitting/hair and nail appointment/photo shoot, we'll be back at 8:30. Your dinner's in the fridge. Don't stay up too late." The ransom note (it's on The Smoking Gun) looks to me like something a kid who wants everyone to think she's a terrorist would write. And it's kinda scribbly--who knows who wrote the thing? JonBenet was garrotted, which is something a 9-year-old wouldn't think of but a teenager might.

So...either the sister did it, or she asked one of the creeps at school to come over and do it.

[niyad]

21. a friend of mine used to run a junior pageant--knew patty and jonbenet--and said that jonbenet would

never have been a first-tier contender.

[naaman fletcher]

25. Don't discount Patsy..

She was the one who wrote the note. She was the one with the beauty pagent obesession. Also, it turns out that JonBenet was still wearing pull-ups to bed and had a bed wetting problem (possbile sign of abuse). But its quite possible she wet her bed again and Patsy freaked. It's also possible the Dad was moletsing her and killed her. I don't know, but nobody from the outside came into that house. It was one or the other (or both) and they know who it was.

[defendandprotect]

17. Think this remains a sad case - but don't think we'll ever know . ..

Cleared in 2007 -- but did the parents ever come out from suspicion?

The "new DNA" could have been anyone -- from an "unknown outsider/intruder" to

someone invited in?

This was obviously a murder by a pedophile --

and seems to have been an unintended result?

My current opinion is it doesn't feel like a pre-planned murder --

Feels more like repetitive pedophilia --

[naaman fletcher]

26. It might not have been a pedophile..

It might have just been staged that way by John, Patsy, or both. Nobody from the outside came into that house. It was one of them.

[Flaneur]

33. You speak with such certainty. Were you there?

[naaman fletcher]

39. no, im just not an idiot.

[defendandprotect]

36. Don't think so . . . there are overtones of child abuse in the "modeling/costumes" etal . . .

child exploitation ---

And certainly the circumstances of the child's death suggest a pedophile --

Wasn't there semen found on the body?

Yes -- it could have been staged . . . by someone with pedophelia on their minds???

The current record now suggests someone from the "outside" ---

Granted such evidence could have been planted? Planted DNA?

I don't see that anyone can be sure at this point what the real story is.

[undeterred]

18. The police really botched this.

[niyad]

22. there had not been a homicide in boulder county in a long time--they should have gotten some

experienced homicide investigators in. it didn't help that the ramseys basically stonewalled--with the help of the DA, protecting the rich and powerful.

[undeterred]

28. During the first few hours they did not treat the Ramseys

as suspects- for their own good they should have been taken down to the station. I realize they did not know what they were dealing with, but that has to be the case fairly often.

[Crabby Appleton]

46. Nor did they treat the house as a crime scene

[defendandprotect]

37. I have to wholeheartedly agree with that ---

[naaman fletcher]

23. Yeah right, just like OJ.

Either he or Patsy did it. It is basically open and shut. Everyone should read the Chapter on it in the latest Mark Fuhrman book. Yeah, Fuhrman isn't neccessarily the greatest guy, but investingating the death penalty in Oklahoma he turned anti-death penalty, and convinced me as well. Anyway:

NOBODY broke into the house. The so called-broken window was broken a year earlier, and there were cobwebs around it.

The boulder police kissed the Ramsey's asses, and didn't conduct private interviews for months, allowing them to skate on it.

Of everyone investigated, everyones handwriting has been excluded except Patsy's. If you read the note, it is weird and bizarre. It was NOT written by a kidnapper, and of course she was not kidnapped.

It was written from a pad and pen that were there on the kitchen counter. The person who wrote it also knew the amount of his recent bonus.

It is open and shut that it was either Jon or Patsy. No question. Nobody else was in the house. Nobody broke in.

Anyone who believes otherwise is a sucker for the Ramsey's PR campagin.

[proud2BlibKansan]

31. Well then call me a sucker

Cause I never believed the parents killed her.

[laylah]

35. I lived there! We will NEVER

know because the Boulder PD contaminated the scene, along with Patsy and John. I have my suspisions but they are forevermore debunked. What a horrible crime to a beautiful child, a crime that will never be solved soon.