Clapping Harder will not make Jane Hamsher right. No matter who says.

[NJmaverick]

From a popular DK diary

Let us be VERY clear what it means to White Water the administration. It means you create a climate of investigation and political slander and lies; it does not create a legislative climate. It destroys it.

That's how you end up working on school uniform bullshit, people.

I really respect Cenk Uygur a lot but he is dead wrong about Jane Hamsher and the jihad she's on against the Obama administration. This bullshit about Rahm Emanuel is not going to do jack squat but impede legislative work and destroy 2010.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/12/25/808924/-Clapping-Harder-will-not-make-Jane-Hamsher-right.-No-matter-who-says.

[NYC_SKP]

1. Not worried, this has no traction outside a small corner of the progressive community.

It never was news to 95% of America.

Next week there will be some new controversy to distract even the tenacious hangers-on.

:donut:

[Sarah Ibarruri]

2. Jane Hamsher is one of these a-holes that all of a sudden turns around and signs up as GOP

It wouldn't be the first nor the last time. I've seen it happen. Shithead pretend-libs who attack Democrats, then one day wake up and announce they're switching to Repuke.

[Skidmore]

39. The new Bev....

Ugh. I think back to then and am so glad I never sent that woman a donation.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

45. Exactly. These people do that - you think they're dems and they're GOPers in disguise

merely trying to attack the Dem leader.

[Donnachaidh]

3. clapping harder will NOT shut the voices of dissent down

No matter how hard the corporate chorale, Joisey version, keeps clapping.

[NJmaverick]

4. or shut up the right wingers and the GOP

[WilliamPitt]

6. "Voices of dissent" does not have to mean "Voices of rank fucking stupidity."

People who want to team up with Norquist evince a breed of stupidity rarely seen on Earth. Quasar stupid. Molten lava stupid.

Stupid is stupid, whether it be painted with a veneer of progressivism or not.

Teaming up with Norquist is fucking stupid. Period, end of file.

[POAS]

9. AMEN brother Will! n/t

[Kahuna]

16. + 1

[TheKentuckian]

18. I wish I could rec your post (nt)

[NJmaverick]

22. He shoots and....... SCORES!!!

[Atticus]

23. If only that COULD be the "end of file".

Hamsher's foolishness was just that. Let's leave it and move on.

Calling people names may relieve some of our tension, but it doesn't do jack shit to advance universal health care, or climate change action or JOB CREATION.

This is bullshit, people. Let's quit stepping in it.

[blondeatlast]

12. Is Grover Norquist a "voice of dissent" to you? He's USING you.

And you love it.

[WeDidIt]

5. Jane Hmasher and the Firebaggers

will get drowned in Norquist's bathtub.

[tridim]

11. I just worry they're going to try to take DU down with them as they drown.

It's already happening IMO.

I'm doing everything I can to expose them before they succeed.

[POAS]

15. Ha----great minds thinking alike

or in my case maybe a great "mound".

In any case I agree but I'm pissed you beat me to the post button.

[POAS]

13. But they may drag many good progressive

agendas with them under the water.

If only they were at stake I wouldn't care but it is the entire liberal/progressive agenda at stake.

Those that deny this truth need to look at the Norquist record and quotes.

[saracat]

7. Nor does suppressing every opposition opinion to one's own makes one's opinion right.

I haven't read the Hamsher thoughts on Emmanuel but there is much wrong with Rahm that is evident even from those who work with him,and unfortunately, he may have done a lot of damage those those in congress who have been betrayed by him.Congresspersons in conservative districts who took a chance fighting for HCR now find themselves in the dubious position of being challenged both for their vote initially by the right and against their vote by the left-as a result of the garbage the WH is sailing through to claim a win.The WH is directly at fault in this because of the WH strategy, as announced by Rahm of "strategic ambiguity".

[RainDog]

8. I'd say the administration has gotten a loud and clear message

that it is time to put main street's needs on par with Wall Street's.

Obama can deal with this moment. He needs to respond to the people who voted to put him in office by pressuring Senators and the House to amend health care so that Sanders' community health clinics are paid for by the "fine" for not paying insurance cos for "health care."

he needs to apply pressure to put in cost controls for medications and procedures. there is no reason Americans have to pay so much money for health care... more than any other nation in the world, while receiving less for that money.

build health care centers, staff them and let Americans choose to have public health care.

cut spending by abolishing the republican pig trough "faith-based" appts... these are an insult to the separation of church and state. put money toward science-based health care instead of medieval bullshit masquerading as thought.

Obama needs to act, rather than talk, about support for civil rights for women and the gblt communities.

In other words, like FDR, Obama needs to adjust his governing to reflect the problems we now face that are not solvable by a "third way" of corporate giveaways of tax dollars. this practice is simply not sustainable.

I cannot join with Norquist on any matter. he is scum of the earth, as far as I'm concerned, and an enemy of liberals all over the world. however, the truth is that the democrats have ignored their base and this is the result.

the ball is now in Obama's court. He better shoot, not pass.

[Atticus]

25. Yup! nt

[ipaint]

10. Actually what jane did is a very effective strategy.

Scrap The "meet them in the middle" which has failed for thirty years and counting and actually fight back. It's effectiveness can be measure in the amount of pearl clutching hysteria being exhibited by the pragmatic but ever acquiescent center whose failed political strategy caused this mess we are in.

[mmonk]

14. Demonizing her and being dishonest about her won't make her wrong either.

I'm sure she knew what would follow since she has decided to play hardball.

[WeDidIt]

17. She's not playing "hardball"

It's more like Calvinball.

She's making it up as she goes along, and her bruised ego has made Obama her enemy.

[mmonk]

19. That's one view. But just look at the results. Look at the risks she has taken.

She has more courage than I do.

[WeDidIt]

20. Look at the results?

Most of the left side of the blogosphere thinks she's stark raving mad and her firebaggers are losing ground trying to stick up for her idiotic ass all over the web.

She's done.

She made a deal with the devil and he has already drowned her in his bathtub.

She's an idiot on par with the likes of Orly Taitz.

[mmonk]

26. Sure she is. And Ben Nelson, Rahm Emanuel and others are your friends.

:sarcasm:

[WeDidIt]

27. Yes, she's batshit insane

And no matter how much the Firebaggers scream, it won't make her sane.

[mmonk]

36. Any point you are trying to make was lost on me when you compared

her to Orly Taitz. Orly Taitz's arguments are not fact based.

[WeDidIt]

37. Neither are Hamsher's

She takes unconnected shit, throws it together, makes allegations that are erroneous based upon that, and goes to the blog with the bullshit.

That's PRECISELY what Taitz has been doing throughout 2009.

[mmonk]

42. Present your proof. Separate the DLC people and centrists with it all.

[WeDidIt]

47. Now you're pulling the same shit as the birthers

PROVE THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS REAL!

:eyes:

Hamsher made the allegations. Hamsher claims to have evidence. Hamsher is under the burden of proof.

Just like Orly Taitz.

[ipaint]

21. Is that what Pissant thinks too. Over at FR?

Michelle Malkin doesn't like Norquist's strategy teaming up with liberal groups over the past ten years either. Apparently your in good company, strategy wise anyway.

I wonder how she felt when Barr teamed up with Gore. Probably the same.

[WeDidIt]

24. No, pissant wuld have posted something similar to what you've posted

anything to prop up his queen.

Firebaggers and Birthers are birds of a feather. And since most of the left side of the blogosphere think HAmsher has gone batshit insane, Firebaggers are almost as entertaining in their machinations to protect their queen as the Birthers are.

[ipaint]

28. Good, you keep us up to date on what your favorite posters at FR have to say. nt

[WeDidIt]

32. I've started threads on FR posts

espcially the brither shit, because it's highly entertaining.

But the Firebaggers have become fare more entertaining these days.

[NJmaverick]

33. She made herself wrong when she made herself into a tool for the right

[RainDog]

38. you could make that same argument about Obama

that he made himself a tool for the right when he put the Brokeback Saddleback asshole on the inaugural stage. when he aligned with the pharmas over the American people on health care reform.

when he made it "legal" to torture people by pretending they aren't people anymore.

when it upheld the piece of shit FISA abolition of the 4th amendment.

there are plenty of insults to go around.

the point is whether or not the democrats are willing to pull back from the abyss of corporate rule.

even those who do not align with Norquist have had enough of this shit via Wall Street and the insurance cos.

that's the truth, whether you want to hear it or not.

[NJmaverick]

41. I am almost positive Obama's actions are going to strengthen the Dems

just as I am sure Jane's actions will hurt them

[frylock]

49. strengthen the dems or strengthen the country?

[NJmaverick]

50. Both

[librechik]

29. pissing on her doesn't make her wrong

Emanuel must go and if bipartisanship works, it's worth a try

[NJmaverick]

31. Allowing herself to be exploited by the right makes her wrong

[librechik]

40. oh--I wondered what the beef was--and I think it's more like her using him

as I understand it. Sometimes DU seems like a bunch of chickens running around after being told the sky is falling.

[sendero]

30. I agrree with Hamsher that this bill is a sellout..

... and probably that Emmanuel is a fucktard.

However, if Grover Norquist was on fire, I wouldn't piss on him to put him out.

[RainDog]

35. agreed. that's my "tipping point." Norquist is a fucktard. n/t

[Nikki Stone1]

34. Bitching and moaning harder doesn't make her wrong either

It just makes you look deranged.

[stillwaiting]

43. Well you're right that 2010 will continue to produce legislation along the lines of 2009.

Massive gifts to corporate entities.

If they can get the people to accept that it's because Jane Hamsher went after Rahm as THE reason they will do so.

It's all a bunch of BS.

Rahm most certainly needs to go.

[alfredo]

44. Clapping harder only makes the lights go on and off in her room.

[freddie mertz]

46. Time to give it a rest.

Get out there and try to make the bill better in reconciliation.

[Odin2005]

48. Clapping harder will not make Rahm less of an evil slimeball.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

51. dosn't really help trying to go after him on something

he has been investigated for 3 times tho and nothing has been found.

I might not like him, but even i know that keeping doing the same thing and hoping on a different result seldom works to well

[walldude]

52. Clapping louder won't make her right but this "blogger" makes her wrong?

Whether or not you agree with Hamsher she has been fighting for left wing causes for years. Did you grow up expecting to agree with everyone on everything in life? Ripping on her says more about you than it does her. She's standing up for what she believes, and a lot of people are standing with her.

Your blanket statements of right and wrong are ridiculous, this isn't some black and white issue.

[NJmaverick]

53. Bush stood up for what he believe, it made him no more right than Jane

[walldude]

54. Bush stood up for what he was told to.

His IQ was in the double digits. He was a fucking moron. He never did one thing fucking right. Hamsher however has been a big supporter of good liberal causes and because you disagree with her on this one issue you are willing to throw her under the bus. While I don't agree with what she is doing I'm certainly not so caught up in my own self righteousness that I would attack her in multiple threads, start multiple threads attacking her and attack anyone who disagreed with me.

[azmouse]

55. kick