It Should Be Obvious to Everyone by Now: The War on Terror Is a Failure!!!!

[spooked911]

Even by the "official story" of terrorism-- if 8 years on from 9/11, they are still trying to fucking kill us on planes, we have fucking wasted our time trying to stop terrorism-- AND IN REALITY, WE MADE THINGS WORSE.

Can we please stop trying to kill muslims now?????

[Thickasabrick]

1. "You cannot wage a conventional war against an idea" - I'm not sure

who said that but it seems to be true.

[HopeHoops]

31. Speaking of which - how's that ol' war on drugs going?

Now THERE is a money pit.

[Don Caballero]

2. It was a failure because of the previous leadership

With someone smart in charge of America the War on Terror can be fought successfully. Let us not forget that the mastermind behind 9/11 is still lurking in a cave in Pakistan.

[kestrel91316]

3. Uh huh. Endless war against AN IDEA. By killing some dude in a cave.

Yeah, that'll work.

Especially as opposed to ceasing hitting the hornet's nest with a baseball bat.........

[Don Caballero]

4. Let's just let Al Qaeda run free to kill Americans

President Obama understands that the Islamic extremists throughout the world's greatest wish is to kill as many of us as possible. I am glad he follows the principle of preemptive war against our enemies.

[Thickasabrick]

8. Therein lies the problem. Everytime we blow up innocent civilians

in pursuit of this "idea", Al Qaeda gets new recruits from the survivors.

Mubarak made an excellent point before we bombed Iraq and that was: "If there is one Osama bin Laden now, there will be 100 bin Ladens afterwards".

[Don Caballero]

9. Mubarak is a ruthless dictator

I do not listen to people like him.

[Thickasabrick]

14. Oh I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment - however, he

was correct in his statement. We are not winning "hearts and minds", we are making new enemies every time we blow up innocent civilians.

[havocmom]

17. Fine, but sticking your head in sand doesn't stop grieving people from listening

bush/cheney made sure we would be spending billions with their friends, fighting terra terra terra for a couple more generations. Killing innocents in trumped up war for profit does NOT make the world safer.

The way to defeat is to provide social and economic justice. Not buying oil from nasty-assed regimes would be a start.

[Xicano]

10. "I am glad he follows the principle of preemptive war"

So you're not a Democrat are you. Admit it you're a republican. LOL

I suppose you also prescribe to the ignorant notion that "we have to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here" dribble?

Hey MODS looks like we might have a freeper here.

[krabigirl]

48. Yikes.

[Carolina]

51. you fail to recognize the why behind the hate and desire to kill

which is our longstanding meddling in the Middle East (covert ops and overt aggression against some Arab nations) and our unwavering, unquestioning support of Israel -- right or wrong!

A change in our policies would do more than all the TSA and DHS efforts (stunts) combined.

[Xicano]

7. Who was the mastermind? What "provoked" him?

Figure that one out and you're almost there to understand why people hate us enough to wish us harm, and therefore what the most effective measures would be to prevent it.

You'd think someone as "smart" as Obama would understand this. I am just saying...


n/t

[Don Caballero]

11. Osama bin Laden was the mastermind of 9/11

and he dispatched 19 mujaheddin to America to kill as many as possible. He admitted to his involvement shortly after the attacks and has been hiding in Pakistan ever since.

[Xicano]

12. And what provoked him?

Can you answer that? I am all ears....

[Don Caballero]

13. Our presence in Saudi Arabia, the Muslim holy land

The attacks were blowback from the United States meddling in Middle Eastern affairs for decades.

[Xicano]

18. "blowback from the United States meddling in Middle Eastern affairs"

Correct! So there's promise for you yet.

So now why would you further provoke people and provide even more incentive for those who we've pissed off to recruit folks to attack us by bombing them when they hadn't done anything to us?

Afghanistan people didn't do anything to us. Iraqis didn't do anything to us. Saddam didn't even do anything to us. But as you pointed out, Saudi Arabians (including Bin Laden) did. So why bomb poor folks who had nothing to do with 9/11? You're making the same talking points Bush made. "Preemptive war", "Islamic extremist" bla, bla, bla.

:shrug:

[spooked911]

23. which we are continuing to do

every time we bomb some terrorist, we create more enemies.
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2009/12/22/yemen/index.html

[varelse]

65. Our indirect role supporting the oppression of Palestinians in the Occupied Territories

was mentioned as well.

[MrMickeysMom]

66. So, then why isn't this crime among the listed on his FBI most wanted profile

Hmmmmm?

USAMA BIN LADEN IS WANTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE AUGUST 7, 1998, BOMBINGS OF THE UNITED STATES EMBASSIES IN DAR ES SALAAM, TANZANIA, AND NAIROBI, KENYA. THESE ATTACKS KILLED OVER 200 PEOPLE. IN ADDITION, BIN LADEN IS A SUSPECT IN OTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.

That's okay, I'll wait. :eyes:

[snagglepuss]

60. London Times quotes passenger who said bomber screamed about Afganistan.

"Another passenger said Abdulmutallab struggled and was belligerent: “He was stood up, he was yelling, swearing. He was screaming about Afghanistan. He was fighting with the wonderful stewards we had. There were five men, big men and three women.” "




http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6968560.ece?token=null&offset=12&page=2

[spooked911]

20. Unfortunately, I don't see much new with Obama

a few cosmetic changes, but otherwise, still the same bullshit war

[Mari333]

29. oh puhlease

Bush and Cheney thank you for believing their propaganda, however.

[Greyhound]

36. One of the dumbest things I've seen you write, and that's saying a lot.

Do you know anything about anything?

I mean seriously, how do you manage to find food every day?

[RetroLounge]

58. OMG! Get off your knees and educate yourself

:puke:

RL

[sharesunited]

5. Careful who's side you choose to be on. They want to kill you because of your immoral lifestyle.

You're not ready to stop drinking beer and watching porn, are you?

[timeforpeace]

6. No, the correct interpretation is "the war on civilization by Islam is a success".

But you knew that.

[robdogbucky]

15. Hmmmm....

A fine collection of buzzwords if I do say so myself.
Dickless Cheney could not have phrased them better himself.
Or Daniel Pipes.

War on Terror (um, about 100 al ciada in Pak/Afg.)
mastermind behind 9/11 (Shh, Dickless may be listening)
Islamic extremists (and other extremists I presume but never hear about)
I am glad he follows the principle of preemptive war (Dickless, where ya been?)
I do not listen to people like him. (That’s my quote about people like you)

Terra, terra, terra 24/7

Can't you come up with a new set?



Just my dos centavos

robdogbucky

[THUNDER HANDS]

16. its only a failure if you look at it as something that can either be won or lost

we're fighting a war on terror in the same vein as a farmer might fight a war on rabbits or locusts. Some years you may get the upper hand, some years they might get the upper hand on you.

A lot of times, everyone loses. The key is to make the other side lose just a little bit more.

[spooked911]

21. are you serious?

I think bombing people with drones in faraway lands is not helping but rather making the situation worse. And Obama is continuing to do this.

[THUNDER HANDS]

27. the situation is getting neither better nor worse

the situation is just the situation, and is always in flux.

[spooked911]

24. if you are serious

I find your attitude disgusting.

[THUNDER HANDS]

28. and i find your attitude naive

if you think its pointless to fight a war on terror.

[Odin2005]

32. I call them the NAIVE Pacifists for a reason

[spooked911]

34. define "fight"

I am saying our military actions make thing worse. Much much worse.

How long and how much money and lives will we spend on this "cause" without much sign of success?

[THUNDER HANDS]

35. that's your opinion

we'll be spending tons of money in efforts to disrupt terrorist networks. It's not like the upcoming attacks are going to get less severe, they're bound to get bigger with more massive casualties.

[Greyhound]

38. And if only the damn politicians would have let them, our mighty military

could have whipped those NV bastards, too!
:eyes:

[THUNDER HANDS]

42. because those situations are so similar

:eyes:

[Greyhound]

49. Being on the wrong side of a conflict being fought against the wrong people

in the wrong place with the wrong methods, yep, sounds pretty similar.

But then we'll never know for sure, maybe if we had killed 5 or 6 million of them, they would have given up.

Some people just never learn.

[THUNDER HANDS]

52. seriously?

in a fight against Al Queda, we're on the wrong side of the conflict?

[Greyhound]

57. The Afghani people are not Al Queda, the Pakistani are not Al Queda,

and trying to combat a tactic with the military is beyond stupid. "Terrorism" is; a.) Defined by individual perspective, i.e. subjective. And b.) criminal. Police methods are the only effective tool to minimize and solve crimes. Identifying, arresting, and prosecuting criminals addressed the symptom of the problem while preserving civilization.

Military actions are entirely counter-productive against this, they destroy infrastructure (civilization) so the people are against them, and combined with the actions themselves, multiply the numbers of perpetrators. It's their home, they're not going anywhere, ever. They also get stronger while we maintain globe spanning supply lines.

Your argument also assumes that being in Afghanistan is about Al Queda and that's just silly. Al Queda loves what we're doing there and in Iraq, we're keeping them in money and volunteers all over the world.

[spooked911]

56. oh my god

you've so totally bought the propaganda.

That's just so sad, assuming you're serious. Again, if you're serious, you are disgusting.

[THUNDER HANDS]

61. its not propoganda

we ARE going to spend money to go off to places like Yemen, and Afghanistan and others to distrupt terrorist training centers. I'm not even stating an opinion, we ARE actually doing, and will continue doing this.

I don't understand what's sad about it, or where the propoganda is, or why that would make me disgusting.

But oooookay, continue believing what you believe, whatever that is.

[spooked911]

62. First, the word is "PROPAGANDA"

Second, you really need to get educated about what this is all about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akm3nYN8aG8

[THUNDER HANDS]

64. thanks chief

I had no idea what the military was about before you educated me.

*screams to the heavens* I HAS SEEN THE LIGHT!!!!

[krabigirl]

44. So, you advocate an unending war? Because that's what it will take.

[THUNDER HANDS]

47. advocate?

I don't advocate anything. But the reality is, yes, we'll be fighting an unending battle against terrorism, just like cops on the street fight an unending battle against gangs and criminals.

[Snarkoleptic]

19. It's only a failure if you're not a defense contractor.

[ima_sinnic]

45. +++1 what it's REALLY about

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[timeforpeace]

54. Yeah, it's so unfair, 7 millions Israeli holding off 1.2 billion Muslims.

[Le Taz Hot]

25. So is the War on Drugs

but none of it is really a real "war" on anything except the American People. It's all about shifting more money from the masses to the elite, already grotesquely rich.

[Red Knight]

26. If we just send a 100,000 more troops

into Afghanistan and another 50,000 to Iraq we will have won this thing.

Unless the generals tell us we need more.

[Mari333]

30. funny thing is, most of the warmongers in the US populace dont want their kids to go

just other peoples kids.

[Flaneur]

41. Don't forget Yemen. And Somalia. And Iran.

Long live our war with Eastasia, er, Eurasia.

[Vidar]

33. K&R.

[MrMickeysMom]

37. Agreed... Can we please go back to the war on poverty now?

That's something I could get behind!

[spooked911]

63. unfortunately, they are using all the money up on this bogus war

so how can we truly fight poverty when this bullshit is going on?

[MrMickeysMom]

67. "how can we truly fight poverty when this bullshit is going on?"

Maybe we should deduct that amount from what we "owe" the Internal Revenue Service, eh?

Oh, no, that wouldn't do. We need to feed the full employment bound to come out of this military service when the real jobs finish drying up.

[Greyhound]

39. Apparently it isn't obvious to the "perpetually surprised" crowd. n/t

[tabasco]

40. The war on terror, yes. The war on the taliban, no.

As long as we have a well-defined enemy, we are fighting in accordance with the principle of war, "objective."

We should get out of Iraq completely and focus on destroying the taliban.

[krabigirl]

46. Yeah, keep pumping money to an unwinnable war.

[krabigirl]

43. Yes, because you can't win a war on an ideology.

People seriously think that our military and bs TSA rules, Motherland security, etc can "stamp out" terror. Impossible.

[walldude]

50. Well we seem to just love that word. WAR.

There is not a time in my life when we weren't in a war, or preparing for one. Or making one up out of thin air.

[phasma ex machina]

59. +1 Lots of war out there.

List of ongoing conflicts

Civil War in Afghanistan
Somali Civil War
Iraq War
War in North-West Pakistan
Sa'dah insurgency
Mexican Drug War
Internal conflict in Burma
Colombian Armed Conflict
Communist & Islamic Insurgency
Naxalite-Maoist Insurgency
Turkey–Kurdistan Workers' Party conflict
Assam conflict
Palestinian Insurgency
Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir
Insurgency in the Maghreb
Conflict in the Niger Delta
South Thailand insurgency
Fourth Civil War of Chad

[Andronex]

53. sorry, but obviously you don't have a clue.

The war on terror is a huge success, it has given them the perfect pretext to invade oil rich and strategically important nations, justified permanent foreign military bases, promoted the uncontrolled expansion of the military budget, legitimize torture and any spying they want to do on the American people, the constitution is now no more than a GD piece of paper as Bush put it, and on it goes... and you believe they want to win this war, to end it...

The war is not meant to be won but to last as long as possible, war is a very profitable racket and powerful tool for the ruling class and they will always want more, this is class warfare, we are the target, not the terrorists.

[whatchamacallit]

55. +1

[TheWatcher]

69. Ahhhhh, we have one that can SEE.

Good Post.

And unfortunately, dead on. :thumbsup:

[TheWatcher]

68. It Should Be Obvious to Everyone by Now: The War on Terror Is a SHAM.

Used by Political Entities, Corporations, and Oligarchs to seize as much power and control as they can, while fearmongering their citizenry to go along with their "methods of dealing with the problem" as a means to an end to achieve these goals.

The American people are being used as useful pawns.

And for the most part, it's working.

[greytdemocrat]

70. No offense spooked...

But I find it had to take anyone serious that posts
chickenwire models to explain why the Twin Towers
should not have fallen.