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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:56 AM Original message |
Is Obama Setting Himself Up to be a One Term President Like Jimmy Carter? |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:58 AM Response to Original message |
1. Congress will probably pass a version of the "Employee Free Choice Act" in 2010... |
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Ken Burch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:34 AM Response to Reply #1 |
36. I.E., a version that does nothing. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 09:48 AM Response to Reply #1 |
212. Probably not because the Republicans will threaten a bogus filibuster. |
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Sultana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:58 AM Response to Original message |
2. Base? |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:00 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Unions may not be eager to get-out-the-vote for Democrats in 2010... |
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krawhitham (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
100. Unions well not want a repuke, PERIOD |
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polpilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #100 |
127. Obama is toast in 2012. He's given the Repub supporters mounds of cash, alienated the left, middle, |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:01 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Obama is doing great with the "base" aside from the fringe screamers on the net |
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leeroysphitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #5 |
70. Keep telling yourself that. n/t |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #70 |
133. +1 n/t |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #70 |
137. +1... Tell that to the unions. |
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BlueJac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #5 |
73. wrong |
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sellitman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #5 |
95. You are clueless if that's what you think. |
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iamjoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:17 PM Response to Reply #95 |
111. That's A Little Shortsighted |
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sellitman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:54 PM Response to Reply #111 |
118. Your points are well taken but... |
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swilton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #118 |
152. Things were so bad after eight years of Bush |
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digidigido (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 01:32 AM Response to Reply #118 |
205. and let's not forget the Bush tax cuts that stayed in place another year |
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emsimon33 (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:09 PM Response to Reply #111 |
131. Obama just does not have the stomach necessary to be president |
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WorkingClassDemocrat (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:12 PM Response to Reply #111 |
156. Everything you say is true |
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emsimon33 (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:04 PM Response to Reply #95 |
130. Like you, I hope that we can find an excellent candidate to run against him |
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krawhitham (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:27 PM Response to Reply #5 |
102. +9999999999999 |
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emsimon33 (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:03 PM Response to Reply #5 |
129. Under what rock have you been hiding? |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #5 |
161. Wake up and smell the toast. nt |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 11:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
191. You mean 65% |
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tpsbmam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 09:58 AM Response to Reply #5 |
213. I don't know a person who voted for him |
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lenegal (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 02:42 PM Response to Reply #5 |
225. Thank you. I can't agree with you more. I don't read DU any more. No adults here |
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napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:16 AM Response to Reply #2 |
12. Same here. I've heard great stuff from the netroots, but the griping with the health bill... |
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emsimon33 (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #12 |
141. What Democrats--oh, you mean DINOs |
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napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 01:31 AM Response to Reply #141 |
204. Oh, by voting in Republicans we'll get Democrats. I see. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:20 AM Response to Reply #2 |
15. No, we love and care about you, that's why we do what we do! nt |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:32 AM Response to Reply #2 |
18. So anger at betrayal is instant marginalization? |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 03:31 AM Response to Reply #18 |
30. If the anger is seen as stemming from a lack of patience |
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emsimon33 (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
136. No, base=those of us who spent money we didn't have, |
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WorkingClassDemocrat (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
154. But not mine |
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bkozumplik (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 02:28 AM Response to Reply #2 |
209. I dont know about the base |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:00 AM Response to Original message |
3. I'm sure some of you hope so. |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:01 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. I'm a critic of Obama, but I don't want a Republican to win in 2012. NT |
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CLANG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:15 PM Response to Reply #6 |
82. Reason and logic? Is that all ya got? |
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verdalaven (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
134. I'm with you. Obama 2012 |
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ekwhite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 10:43 PM Response to Reply #134 |
188. So anyone who disagrees with you is working with the Republicans? |
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verdalaven (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 11:47 PM Response to Reply #188 |
197. Oh brother. |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
143. I don't either |
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live love laugh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:01 AM Response to Original message |
7. This must be today's talking point. The minions seem to be spreading the word. nt |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:04 AM Response to Original message |
8. Has Carter ever betrayed the base? |
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Joe Bacon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:20 PM Response to Reply #8 |
99. Let me refresh folks about Carter |
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phasma ex machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #99 |
108. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. nt |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #99 |
123. Thanks! Good history lesson from the inside |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:14 PM Response to Reply #99 |
157. Carter and Brezninski also had the brilliant idea to arm the right wing in Afghanistan in 1979 |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #99 |
170. Your view of the religous right seems wrong. You weren't in the South, were you? |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 08:51 PM Response to Reply #99 |
175. Interesting ... THANKS nt |
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ekwhite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 11:09 PM Response to Reply #99 |
192. I'm old enough to remember the Carter years also |
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Joe Bacon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 11:24 PM Response to Reply #192 |
195. The Religious Right started to come to power in 1978 |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 11:02 AM Response to Reply #99 |
215. Ummm...I'm as old as you and Obama is NOT pulling a "Jimmy Carter" |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:06 AM Response to Original message |
9. You make excellent points. And the propaganda machines still refer to Carter as a liberal |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:09 AM Response to Original message |
10. No, he's setting himself up to be a two-term Republican president like Clinton. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:12 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Do you watch any CNBC? They think the man is a socialist. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:19 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. That's the one-two punch. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:33 AM Response to Reply #14 |
21. They are nowhere near that organized. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:54 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Ever heard of Koch Industries? |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 08:19 AM Response to Reply #25 |
54. Yep, that's true. If you "doubt", just look at the teabaggers............ |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 08:15 AM Response to Reply #11 |
53. The people referring to him as a socialist have no fucking idea.......... |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 11:26 PM Response to Reply #11 |
196. And they thought Clinton was a liberal too. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 09:36 AM Response to Reply #10 |
65. They'll find a more lucrative republican. |
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greyghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #10 |
150. We have a winner! Obama is Clinton redux, that is all. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:17 AM Response to Original message |
13. No. Some posters here are trying to set him up for that...... |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:34 AM Response to Reply #13 |
22. I hope you're right. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 09:33 AM Response to Reply #13 |
64. Get Donnie McClurkin to pray us away! |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 09:52 PM Response to Reply #64 |
227. shhh... their stoooopid is showin' |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 11:17 AM Response to Reply #13 |
74. Exactly, the M$M is trying to set him up for it |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:21 AM Response to Original message |
16. Carter started the funding of insurgents in Afghanistan at Brzezinski's urging |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:29 AM Response to Original message |
17. One term? |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 08:34 AM Response to Reply #17 |
56. The proverbial rose colored glasses???????????? |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 10:43 AM Response to Reply #56 |
68. No kidding! |
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WeDidIt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #56 |
109. Nah, most of DU views things through black colored glasses |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 03:39 PM Response to Reply #56 |
125. Nope, reality is going to hit some people in the face |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:32 AM Response to Original message |
19. Kicked and recommended. Obama would be a fool not to worry. nt |
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tblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #19 |
186. I think Obama is a good man. But the times call for a great man. |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #186 |
222. That he is a good not a great man is well put. I am surprised what |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:33 AM Response to Original message |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 03:05 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. the only way he will be re-elected is if the Repuke vote is split ro |
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icee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:16 PM Response to Reply #20 |
98. I sadly agree with you on this. As soon as centrist Democrats discover |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 09:17 PM Response to Reply #98 |
177. Thank You. |
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icee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 10:46 PM Response to Reply #177 |
189. I had more hope than you. The real breaking point for me was |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 11:19 PM Response to Reply #189 |
194. You are right. |
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tblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 11:53 PM Response to Reply #98 |
199. You better be here! |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:36 AM Response to Original message |
23. I remember Carter fairly well |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:26 AM Response to Reply #23 |
45. Thank you for defending President Carter for NOT caving into giving the corporations $ for nothing |
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Bette Noir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 10:34 AM Response to Reply #23 |
66. 18% inflation and the Iranian hostage crisis-- |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #66 |
91. It's not a rumor about traitor Reagan making secret deals with Ayatollah Khomeini. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #91 |
146. +1 nt |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:57 PM Response to Reply #23 |
120. Spot on. nt |
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apex nerd (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:39 AM Response to Original message |
24. If the base cuts off its own nose to spite President Obama's face... |
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Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #24 |
97. Correction: They who rig the elections have the power. n/t |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 10:13 PM Response to Reply #24 |
184. Once again it's the fault of liberals for not voting for people that don't represent them. |
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apex nerd (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 03:33 AM Response to Reply #184 |
210. Before we go any deeper down this rabbit hole... |
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krabigirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 03:04 AM Response to Original message |
26. yes |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 03:20 AM Response to Original message |
28. so you are hoping for another Reagan? |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:01 AM Response to Reply #28 |
34. If you think union workers are elites, that you have no clue what liberalism is. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:39 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. should we trade insults? |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:51 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Yes, they thought they were elite. They were mistaken. |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 08:42 AM Response to Reply #34 |
59. Yep. I'll just agree with your post 100% instead of arguing with............. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:26 PM Response to Reply #59 |
101. all working people are not union members |
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phasma ex machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:18 PM Response to Reply #101 |
112. Over 60% of Americans work in retail, restaurant, or hotel/motel. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #101 |
149. The presence of unions in a field or geographic area benefits most workers whether they are union |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #149 |
223. maybe in a field but that's probably not 'most' workers |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 06:33 PM Response to Reply #223 |
226. Ok, so let's just keep going as we have been. The busting of the unions and tax cuts for the wealthy |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #101 |
164. No shit sherlock. 2/3rds of Americans in 2006 reported incomes....... |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #164 |
221. you said working people |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #221 |
224. Ok, then what exactly is the monetary difference between the two? |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #34 |
140. +1 |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #34 |
147. +1 nt |
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Bette Noir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 10:41 AM Response to Reply #28 |
67. "Nattering nabobs of negativity"? |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:47 PM Response to Reply #67 |
104. really, because I seem to remember some sort of blow-up |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 09:53 PM Response to Reply #67 |
183. GO PALIN |
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suzie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #28 |
84. +1 |
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pundaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 03:22 AM Response to Original message |
29. I sure hope so. |
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JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:21 AM Response to Reply #29 |
43. That is one of the most ridiculous thing I've heard yet. Hillary will probably decide... |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 08:47 AM Response to Reply #29 |
61. Hillary?????????? After the way Obama has turned out, you think............ |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #61 |
81. I don't anticipate a Feingold, Sanders, or Kucinich anytime soon. |
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suzie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #61 |
86. Yes of course. Only white males need apply to be Presidnet. |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #86 |
94. And exactly who the fuck are you? I don't give a shit if someone............... |
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suzie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 09:21 AM Response to Reply #94 |
211. I long ago became disenchanted with Bill Clinton, yet I still see liberals and |
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pattmarty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 10:45 AM Response to Reply #211 |
214. I AM NOT among those. I would describe myself as an old........... |
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suzie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #214 |
219. But LBJ wasn't' elected on his own. That kind of master Congressional politician |
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LostInAnomie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 03:32 AM Response to Original message |
31. A lot of people on the net, and especially DU, like to kid themselves... |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 03:33 AM Response to Original message |
32. 2 months ago I would have laughed at the idea. |
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Rhiannon12866 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 03:42 AM Response to Original message |
33. Well, I voted for Carter in 1980, and I'll vote for Obama in 2012. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:14 AM Response to Original message |
35. Deleted message |
JTFrog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:17 AM Response to Reply #35 |
42. +1 |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:17 AM Response to Reply #35 |
47. So, you are inferring that a DUer with over 10,000 post who has been here since 2004 |
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rollingrock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:41 AM Response to Original message |
38. Only the kool-aid democrats will vote for him in 2012 |
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #38 |
83. Really..... |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #83 |
139. Clearly the "non-kool-aid drinking" Reagan... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:00 AM Response to Original message |
40. Deleted message |
breadandwine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:12 AM Response to Original message |
41. "If you run a Republican against a Republican, the Republican will win every time." |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:24 AM Response to Original message |
44. the current WH surely doubts they will end up like the shocked Carter Admin. who got beat |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 08:40 PM Response to Reply #44 |
173. Right Now We've Got an Inexperienced, too Young and ignorant corporate puppet |
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quaker bill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:01 AM Response to Original message |
46. Carter had problems |
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twitomy (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:23 AM Response to Original message |
48. The base is irrelevant |
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DemReadingDU (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 08:30 AM Response to Reply #48 |
55. It is the economy |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 08:45 AM Response to Reply #48 |
60. how can he lose if the junta puts up another joker like palin? and if its close, it's hacked |
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twitomy (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #60 |
163. The problem with it being "hacked if its close is" |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 11:20 AM Response to Reply #48 |
75. So it's just about you and your wife? |
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Hydra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #75 |
122. Why should he "take another one for the team"? |
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twitomy (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #75 |
162. To a large extant, YES |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:26 AM Response to Original message |
49. It's never up to the puppets, but the handlers, planners and script writers behind the scenes |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:39 AM Response to Original message |
50. Despite a change during 'change your screen name week' here, |
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FarLeftFist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 08:06 AM Response to Original message |
51. Obama has stated himself.... |
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DemReadingDU (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 08:39 AM Response to Reply #51 |
58. and perhaps that will be Obama's excuse not to run for re-election |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 03:00 PM Response to Reply #51 |
121. He mentioned being a one termer and not running again several times |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 08:08 AM Response to Original message |
52. a corporate junta own us, they don't care who is in 1600 as long as their cause is advanced |
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DemReadingDU (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 08:34 AM Response to Reply #52 |
57. and lobbyists |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
62. if you're not voting for our party's president in 2012, here's a hint |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #62 |
71. so i guess if ,say, i supported a kucinich primary challenge i would not be in the base |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #71 |
93. you can support whoever you want in a primary |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 11:53 AM Response to Reply #62 |
79. I'm getting ready to proclaim myself an independent... |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
63. actually- he seems to be setting himself up to be a one-term president like LBJ. |
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icee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:33 PM Response to Reply #63 |
103. Yes. That is who I compare him with..............nft |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
69. Perhaps he is more like Clinton. It's way to early to tell, no? |
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EndElectoral (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
72. One term unless Palin runs against him. |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
76. Right on target. Carter even ticked off the liberal base by campaigning |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 11:51 AM Response to Original message |
77. K&R |
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MinM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
78. DCI #12 may have aided the premature political demise of POTUS #39 |
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phasma ex machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #78 |
113. Interesting, thanks for sharing. nt |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
80. The only place where Obama seems to be losing support is on this forum. |
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suzie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #80 |
87. +500 |
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impik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:16 PM Response to Reply #80 |
138. Hee. And what's really astonishing is the level of delusion |
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
85. Obama's base is not left-wing |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
88. One can hope. |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
89. You and the rest of the trolls hope so. |
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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
90. Simple answer NO! |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
92. Remember El Salvador |
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Libertas1776 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
96. Well, |
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davidwparker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
105. Yes he is. Obama will be a one term president. He lost my vote during the |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #105 |
144. You are voting to turn your state red again? |
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davidwparker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 12:36 PM Response to Reply #144 |
220. Depends on Obama. If he continues on the path of no-reform and no |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 09:49 PM Response to Reply #105 |
180. good bye.....the fucking bill hasn't even be reconciled yet.... |
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davidwparker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 12:09 PM Response to Reply #180 |
218. Does the bill have a public option? Keep dreaming, Historic NY. Hold on |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #105 |
182. when was NY a red state? |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 01:01 AM Response to Reply #105 |
202. "I'm going to vote in such a way to help turn it red". So you're voting Republican? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #202 |
216. Deleted message |
bajamary (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
106. Dean/Warren in 2012 |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 09:50 PM Response to Reply #106 |
181. Goodbye to you too |
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nonsequitur (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
107. Probably but it's only been 11 months. Time will tell but it isn't looking good |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
110. He's a great former president, but he did appoint Paul Volcker. |
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roamer65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
114. The only thing that will stop Obama's re-election is a party split in 2012. |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:45 PM Response to Reply #114 |
168. I think this could happen if he doesn't get "back on track" to the message that elected him.. |
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PFunk (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
115. And this was BEFORE the internet. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
116. The voting machines are under the Control of the Powers that Be |
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rantormusing (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
117. The buck stops when it's time for any interests other than Corporate |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
119. Obama won'r run for a second term. He's already said "the people will |
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Goldstein1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
124. Maybe Obama, like Carter, will make a better... |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #124 |
179. Certainly a richer one. |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
126. Nope. |
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SergeStorms (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:26 PM Response to Reply #126 |
165. It's quite possible......... |
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smoogatz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 10:37 PM Response to Reply #165 |
187. Bush won twice, despite his relative unpopularity. |
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emsimon33 (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
128. "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." |
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impik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
132. You so wish for that, ah? And how self centered you must be |
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Ysabela (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
135. Yes he is. And I'll vote for Dean/Kucinich in 2012 instead of Obama again. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
142. AFAIC, he is. |
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Ysabela (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #142 |
145. Excellent list. That's why Obama is never getting my vote again. |
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MissDeeds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #142 |
151. + 1000 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:17 PM Response to Reply #142 |
158. Deleted message |
ekwhite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 11:55 PM Response to Reply #158 |
201. Don't throw your vote away on a Republican |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:42 PM Response to Reply #142 |
167. I agree. One term and buh bye. |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
148. You know Clinton wasn't very popular after his first year in office |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
153. ...and in any case, what 2013 looks like will be more pertinent, |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #153 |
169. Amen. The lobbyists...and advisers...who are telling Obama "Move to the right" |
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greengestalt (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
155. Will the first black president be- |
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OKNancy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
159. No n/t |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
160. Obama has effectively pardoned admitted war criminals who brought this country to its knees; |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
166. I was around for Carter...here's my view.. |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
171. Several Points of Disagreement With this Post |
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the hawk (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 10:14 PM Response to Reply #171 |
185. several points |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 11:16 PM Response to Reply #185 |
193. um |
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gorfle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
172. I believe he is doomed in 2012. |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
174. Nope. |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
176. Unfortunately yes if he doesn't do something |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
178. In answer to the OP's question: Yep. |
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Thickasabrick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 10:47 PM Response to Reply #178 |
190. Ditto....what he said. nt |
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gopwacker_455 (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
198. most definitely |
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Lord Helmet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-27-09 11:53 PM Response to Original message |
200. Horseshit. |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 01:27 AM Response to Original message |
203. I was too young to understand Carter, but know him now, and like him |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 01:48 AM Response to Original message |
206. well since so many of you are so sure of yourselves 3 years out, |
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scentopine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 02:12 AM Response to Original message |
207. Yes - but maybe for different reasons |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 02:21 AM Response to Original message |
208. K&R! Thank you for pointing this out !! //nt |
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goldcanyonaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
217. Will you be posting the winning lottery numbers soon? |
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Krashkopf (965 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-28-09 11:14 PM Response to Original message |
228. K & R |
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