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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:23 PM
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Why Did Obama Kill The Dawn Johnsen Nomination?
Emptywheel's bmaz exposes another outrage from the massive Christmas Eve news dump on a distracted populace:


December 25, 2009 8:24 pm


Yesterday, when I wrote about 34 Obama Nominees Not Named Dawn Johnsen being confirmed by the Senate on the heels of the healthcare vote, and before they left town, I was not aware, in addition (h/t earlofhuntingdon), the nomination was now completely dead. From Main Justice:

The Senate approved a unanimous consent request today to hold over several nominees for the second session of the 111th Congress, which begins in January.

But nominees to head three DOJ offices: Dawn Johnsen, for the Office of Legal Counsel, Mary L. Smith, for the Tax Division, and Christopher Schroeder, for the Office of Legal Policy, were returned to the White House before the Senate recessed for the holidays.

Johnsen, who was nominated in February, was approved by the Senate Judiciary Committee in March on a party line vote.

Several Senate Republicans, joined by Democratic Sens. Arlen Specter (Pa.) and Ben Nelson (Neb.), have voiced concerns about Johnsen’s vocal opposition to the Bush administration’s national security policies and her past work for an abortion rights group.


The nomination of Dawn Johnsen to be the head of the Office of Legal Counsel at DOJ, a critical post, is now truly dead. If Ms. Johnsen is to serve, she will have to be renominated by Barack Obama and start over. She never got the up or down vote promised as soon as the Senate had done healthcare, she never got an ounce of support from the Administration that nominated her, and a year of her life was taken in what certainly appears to be a cowardly and demeaning political ploy.

.....

Even assuming Harry Reid had no alternative but to return the nomination, the better question is how did it get to this point, and why has the White House and Senate been so disingenuous about it? The only rational conclusion at this point is that killing Johnsen’s nomination is precisely what the Obama White House desired. The White House intentionally left to rot, and then outright killed, their own nominee.

The evidence of this is pretty damning. Dawn Johnsen’s nomination had languished, twisting in the wind, for 280 days as of the time her nomination was killed by Harry Reid, far longer than any other Obama nominee. The only notable recent support for Johnsen from the White House came in a statement by White House Counsel Greg Craig on October 11, 2009, a weak statement saying only that the White House “would not withdraw” her nomination. Craig was subsequently fired and, hilariously, attempted to be scapegoated by Rahm Emanuel for – wait for it – not getting nominations like Johnsen’s confirmed.

A typical Rahm Emanuel backhanded opaque play; blame someone (Craig) interested in governmental transparency for not getting another official who favors openness and transparency (Johnsen) confirmed, and all the while Rahm and Obama are choking off openness and transparency. Use the Johnsen nomination as a bone to the liberals and simultaneously use it as cover to betray them with the opposite of what Dawn Johnsen stands for. A perfect political scam on the liberal base who was so thrilled with the nomination of a honest rule of law advocate for the Constitution like Dawn Johnsen. Liberals should have known better, but that is just not who Barack Obama and Rahm Emanuel are.

Moreover, the bleating by Harry Reid and the Obama Administration that it is all the fault of mean old Republican obstructionism simply does not hold water. The Democrats hold a 60 seat caucus block, sufficient to overcome Republican obstruction. Of those, the Main Justice article is quite clear there were only two Democratic problem children, former Republican Arlen Specter and the ever whiny Ben Nelson, who never passes up an opportunity to betray his party. That means there were potentially only 58 Democratic votes for Johnsen’s nomination. But Republican Richard Lugar firmly supported Dawn Johnsen, so that makes 59 votes, only one shy of confirmation.

In addition to Lugar, both Republican Senators from Maine, Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe, have refused to rule out voting for Johnsen and were being lobbied hard by extremely influential women’s groups and liberal constituents. Both Collins and Snowe have a history of agreeing, when pressured, to allow up or down votes on Presidential nominees, even from Democrats.

Barack Obama and Rahm Emanuel had 59 votes in favor of Dawn Johnsen’s nomination, a distinct possibility of picking up Collins, Snowe or both, and are more than aware Arlen Specter needs big help in his reelection campaign in Pennsylvania and that Ben Nelson can always be bought. And despite all of the above, the Obama White House did not ever request Harry Reid to call a vote. The only rational conclusion from this is the Obama White House did not want Dawn Johnsen, their own nominee, to be confirmed.

In the end, it is likely Barack Obama, Rahm Emanuel and the servants of the status quo simply did not really want a true advocate for governmental transparency, a critic who excoriated Bush/Cheney policies on warrantless wiretapping, torture, indefinite detention, ignoring international treaties and conventions, and concentration of power in a unitary executive; all policies the Obama Administration has substantially co-opted as its own. So Dawn Johnsen was a pawn, a shiny object, catnip for a desperate liberal base; but in the end, as always, Barack Obama and Rahm Emanuel just didn’t really care about their liberal base who put them in office.

There is a lot of detritus in the wake of the Obama White House duplicity on the Dawn Johnsen nomination. They humiliated Dawn Johnsen by letting her twist in the wind, wasted a year of her life, disrupted the faculty and student body of the Indiana University School of Law and sold out a huge block of liberal and progressive voters who were the very voters and ground organizers carrying Obama to election in the first place.

Barack Obama and Harry Reid owe an explanation to both Dawn Johnsen, and the voters who worked so hard to elect them, as to why they intentionally left Johnsen’s critical nomination out in the cold so long, and then killed it outright. The main media in the United States owe their readers the duty to ask the questions and demand answers. That much, at a minimum, is owed to the citizens.





(Piece contains many more hyperlinks)



Funny, how every last one of these news dump items seems custom-made to enrage one group consistently--- the liberal base that put these people into office.

And this is, most likely, no accident.






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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:24 PM
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1. Here's a thread on it from GDP
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:25 PM
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2. Duplicate.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:25 PM
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3. I hope that KO and Rachel MAddow pick up on this.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:32 PM
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13. If they do, it's their own ratings funeral
Aligning with a web site aligned with Fox NEws, Teabaggers, and Grover Norquist would end up destroying them.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 10:40 AM
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65. I'm sure KO and Rachel would love to hear your programming advice
They even have a special email for it: scaredlittleapologist@msnbc.com.

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:25 PM
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4. Funny, the ones constantly enraged aren't the liberal base. They're the ones scouring the internets
for whatever they can find to post here and try to drum out some outrage.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:25 PM
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5. Seems like FDL is trying to enrage everyone. nt
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Ed76638 Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #5
14. No need for Firedog lake...
When you have the Obama administration.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #5
15. They've gone radical rightwing in a fit of PUMArage. n/t
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Ed76638 Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:35 PM
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17. ooooo yeah. Supporting Dawn Johnsen is soooo right-wing.
Edited on Sun Dec-27-09 08:36 PM by Ed76638
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:36 PM
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19. They're out to tear down Obama in a fit of rightwing bullshit
I gues you like being allied with Teabaggers, because that's what FDL is.
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Ed76638 Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:38 PM
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21. Obama is tearing down himself.
He doesn't need teabaggers for that shit.

If he wasn't going to deliver change, it would've been in his best interest not to campaign on that.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:39 PM
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22. You've posted more in this thread than in the past two months
Interesting.
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Ed76638 Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:41 PM
Response to Reply #22
23. Nice. Standard paranoia.
I really hope you enjoy your LiberNelsonLandrieuLincolnCARE.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. Even more interesting
I make an observation and you react emotionally.

Interesting.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #21
35. Hear, Hear!
I couldn't have said it better. No bait and switch, the inmates don't like it.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:41 PM
Response to Reply #17
24. It's unreal, isn't it?
It's pretty much this one solitary poster, though. Plenty are mad at FDL (their right to be) and plenty wouldn't go that far, but respect FDL's reasons.

And then there's WeDidIt.
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Ed76638 Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:44 PM
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29. LAWL
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 10:39 AM
Response to Reply #24
64. It's pure fear. Pretty transparent and desperate.
Maybe someone's boss is about to be investigated. :shrug:
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #24
69. Didn't know who was getting everyone upset b/c I long ago "ignored" that member.
I'm pretty good at picking out disrupters. My threads rarely show "ignored" except when there are replies from multiple upset DUers. Then I'm glad I missed whatever it was they were saying.

But you should probably not call out individual DUers.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:34 PM
Response to Reply #5
16. Oh, and notice the OP refused to reveal this is all from Firedoglake
Their reputation is now preceding them.

:rofl:
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #16
36. As someone who's been a longtime reader of FDL, stop posting nonsense.
What's your ax with FDL? They were a must read site for exposing the Bush crime administration and they've been a great champion of a progressive agenda. If you think anyone here really cares that WeDidIt doesn't like Jane Hampsher, you misread this board. I'm disappointed that Obama has bailed on the public option and I'm really pissed that he's let the past administration's high crimes and misdemeanors go unaccountable. There are many progressive Democrats that expected more...and voices like Hamsher and FDL should remain the sharp critics that they are. If you think you're fooling anyone with this act, you sincerely overestimate your faux outrage skills.

Oh yeah, Grover's still an asshole. Jane's an intelligent debater and great communicator of the progressive agenda....no wonder she pisses off the lying propagandists, sundry con artists/politicians, and corporate sponsors of Republican rule. We understand why you really don't like Jane.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #16
66. Yes, they cleverly concealed it with a direct link at the top of the page.
:eyes:
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:27 PM
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6. Oh, and why don't you start a thread re:the fucking Republican Senators log-jamming the nominations
HUH?

WHY IS THAT?
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. Perhaps you missed these two paragraphs from the OP article:
Edited on Sun Dec-27-09 08:30 PM by Bolo Boffin
Moreover, the bleating by Harry Reid and the Obama Administration that it is all the fault of mean old Republican obstructionism simply does not hold water. The Democrats hold a 60 seat caucus block, sufficient to overcome Republican obstruction. Of those, the Main Justice article is quite clear there were only two Democratic problem children, former Republican Arlen Specter and the ever whiny Ben Nelson, who never passes up an opportunity to betray his party. That means there were potentially only 58 Democratic votes for Johnsen’s nomination. But Republican Richard Lugar firmly supported Dawn Johnsen, so that makes 59 votes, only one shy of confirmation.

In addition to Lugar, both Republican Senators from Maine, Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe, have refused to rule out voting for Johnsen and were being lobbied hard by extremely influential women’s groups and liberal constituents. Both Collins and Snowe have a history of agreeing, when pressured, to allow up or down votes on Presidential nominees, even from Democrats.


Perhaps you should read before you hate?

eta: And as the article points out, Specter is tacking so hard to the left these days that he could probably have been persuaded as well.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:31 PM
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11. Perhaps you missed it's the Senate and not Obama
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #11
27. And yet the votes seemed to have been there in the Senate.
Or were eminently winnable, as the article points out.

Wha happened?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #7
30. How did the rethugs hold up so many other votes for months, being
the minority party? Just because Dems are the majority doesn't mean they can do whatever they want.

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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 09:08 PM
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33. How were they able to hold up this one?
By the numbers, it should have passed. It looks like an easy victory. Republican obstructionism doesn't cut it. The usual Democratic suspects doesn't cut it, either.

It looks to me like Johnsen's nomination became a bargaining chip in the health care fight. Instead of allowing her to get a vote (her nomination was already out of committee), Reid used her to get someone on board or keep someone on board. And there's no way that happened if Obama didn't signal that it was all right.

Regardless of how it actually went down, though, the best person for the job got shafted for no good reason.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 10:37 PM
Response to Reply #33
51. Agreed, Johnsen was likely the price of getting Ben Nelson to vote for HCR.
Just one more bargaining chip that must have been authorized from the WH.


We will soon see if her name is resubmitted by Obama next month when Congress reconvenes. Of course he always has the option of a recess appointment, but that doesn't look good, given what is going down all around us.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:29 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. Because that's expected in any case
Having a weak kneed, afraid to fight administration and Senate "leadership" is not.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 10:40 PM
Response to Reply #6
54. Who does the party supposedly have more power over, its own membership or the Pub membership?
Your reasoning = go pick on the Pubs, whom we don't have leverage with, but don't you dare criticize Dems who vote & act like Pubs -- whom we supposedly *do* have leverage with, & can sanction internally.
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Ed76638 Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:29 PM
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8. FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK
FUCKITY FUCK FUCK FUCK.

That bitch motherfucker Specter has to go.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:30 PM
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10. Ms. Johnsen was the nominee most feared
Edited on Sun Dec-27-09 08:42 PM by blogslut
I would imagine that she was sacrificed for the sake of the 34.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:31 PM
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12. Steaming pille of bullshit from a radical rightwing site. n/t
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:36 PM
Response to Reply #12
18. Wrong. It's not radical r/w, and emptywheel is a credible person.
I just have to wonder if there's something else going on, to condemn Obama for every last thing that happens.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:38 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. It's firedoglake
and anything associated with that site is radical rightwing now.

They laid down with dogs and the fleas now show.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #20
31. there was a time
when most people on DU knew that not providing links to accusations and the like, was below standard.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. Firedoglake aligned itself with Fox NEws, Teabaggers, and Grover Norquist
It doesn't get much more rightwing than that.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #32
34. No, Jane Hamsher did. She's not the only person there. nt
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #32
38. More silly nonsense.
nt
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 09:51 PM
Response to Reply #38
39. There is no denying it.
It's all over the FDL site as well as numerous other sources.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:10 AM
Response to Reply #12
59. Nice to see you're attaching a warning label to your posts.
Next time, feel free to add some text as well -- now that we know what to expect.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 11:01 AM
Response to Reply #12
67. FDL is a "radical rightwing site?"
Since when? DUer used to LOVE FDL when they were on Bush's ass. Now they're a "radical rightwing site?" :wtf:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #67
68. They're a threat to the ObamaBinky.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #68
70. Kittennnnn!!!!!!!!!!!
THAT is how I ended up with 7 of the little furballs. They all looked just like that. Awwwww.
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:42 PM
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26. I read on Kos that Nelson worked with the pukes to kill her nom. nt
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #26
28. Yep, Obama's biggest problem is he's forced to work with a conservative Senate
Sad, but true.
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 10:29 PM
Response to Reply #28
47. Yes. It's certainly a shame
the Senate took away his right to make recess appointments. (Do I need to hang a sarcasm label on that?)
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #26
37. She owns the site.
Therefore she controls the tone and direction.

You don't see Skinner going on Fox News, aligning with Teabaggers and joining efforts with Grover Norquist.
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #37
41. Wait a minute - are you saying that Dawn Johnsen owns DailyKos? nt
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #41
45. Nice handle. VERY applicable. n/t
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #45
48. Now wait a minute....who is being "thick" here? I stated I read on
Kos that Nelson had worked with the pukes to kill her nom.

You stated in your reply to my statement.."she owns the site".

What other type of conclusion could I draw? Or were you just using my statement (which had nothing to do with Hamsher who I'm going to assume this is about) to say something ELSE about Hamser?

The information from Kos had nothing whatsoever to do with Hamsher and didn't even mention her....so WTF?
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #48
50. This is weird. I did NOT reply to your post
I did, in fact, reply to another post, only DU put my reply to your post!

Weird.
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #50
52. Ok then...never mind. But why did you say my ID was applicable....
I get that alot so I'm a little sensitive.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 10:42 PM
Response to Reply #52
55. LOL, I mistook your response as snark unrelated to what I was responding to.
I was responding to a post related to Jane Hamsher and FDL, so when you came back with Dawn Johnson and DK, I thought it was pretty thick.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 10:04 PM
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40. Unrec'd for dishonest propaganda from the site hosted by Grover Norquist's girlfirend. nt
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 10:16 PM
Response to Reply #40
43. Please.
"Grover Norquist's beard" might be a bit more believable. Still 100% uncalled-for slander of Jane, but at least in the realm of possibility.
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #43
49. I actually think some people are getting paid per post to blast
Hamsher. It has been bizarre around here.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #49
53. Nah. It's not about the Benjamins.
Only the jollies.
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #49
56. Oh, Please! She aligned herself with Grover FUCKING Norquist
and you wonder why people get upset???

You are right...it has been really bizarre around here.

:eyes:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:18 AM
Response to Reply #56
60. "Joe Lieberman's a man with a good heart, who cares about the working families of America"
-- Presidential Candidate Barack Obama, endorsing Joseph I. Lieberman for Senate.
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:27 AM
Response to Reply #60
61. He should have never supported that asshole and he was wrong
I don't have to support everything this president is doing.

However, hailing someone as a hero who has aligned herself with right-wing scumbags to bring down this Democratic President makes me want to vomit



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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:31 AM
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62. Did Obama's support for Lieberman invalidate everything he said or did from then on?
Did Obama's support for Lieberman invalidate everything said or done by anyone associated with him?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:08 AM
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58. What are you, 12?
Oohh... Jane's got Republican COOTIES!

Damn, aren't you DLC types supposed to be the "adults"? :eyes:
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 10:14 PM
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42. The Supreme Court has ruled that abortion is legal.
Senators, however, are blacklisting appointments of individuals who support abortion. Whether a senator approves or abhors abortion is mostly a religious issue. Does it seem to you that the senators who reject appointments of nominees who support abortion is the application of a religious test to holding office? Doesn't applying a religious test to eligibility for a political office constitute a violation of the Constitution?

Therefore, didn't Spector and Nelson among others violating the Constitution when they applied their religious test to Dawn Johnson?
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 10:18 PM
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44. Interesting since he (Obama) didn't withdraw her nomination..
perhaps if we really had 60 votes in the Senate it might have made a difference..then thats
Obama's fault too.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 10:28 PM
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46. Thanks for heads up. I will check this story out tomorrow.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:07 AM
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57. Thanks for the repost
The rabid apologists managed to get the first one locked. Good luck with this try.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:33 PM
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71. did they?... amazing. :shakes head:

What was the reason for locking, just out of curiousity?

Personally, I've seen a couple of 'progressive' threads *disappear* recently, it's a bit disturbing and reeks of "message discipline". :shrug:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 01:20 PM
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72. Here, see for yourself
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x98204

I didn't even get a chance to post a reply. I ran out for a few hours and by the time I got back, it was locked.

That'll teach me to have a life.

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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 01:40 PM
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73. Oh boy. It's always the same people, too.

I do wish they didn't lock threads for dubious reasons (like the one given in that thread) though.

It's not fair to penalize an OP and effectively censor their thread for someone else's deliberately disruptive behavior.

I wish they blocked deliberately disruptive posters from posting in a thread that they are deliberately disrupting, instead of taking down the entire thread (i.e., exactly what the disruptors were trying to achieve in the first place. mission a ccomplished.)... :shrug:
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:54 AM
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63. Certainly wouldn't want our President to go to the mat for some woman who fights for
Abortion Rights and wants to see Bush, Cheney, et al investigated. Might make the him look like a Liberal (shudder!!) and ruin his bi-partisanship efforts.

Rec.
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