Lieberman: "The grace of God saved that plane"...just what I want a Homeland Security chair to say

[Bluebear]

Scintillating statement for a person of your position to make, Joe.

[Unvanguard]

1. "But tie your camel first." n/t

[Bluebear]

3. Indeed.

[timeforpeace]

24. At least he didn't say "the system worked". Napolitano should be fired.

[Winterblues]

48. What did not work?

The USA does not control Amsterdam airport. As soon as a threat was revealed actions were taken. A hundred and forty airliners were notified immediately of the possible threat. The immediate threat upon the plane was neutralized immediately. What would you suggest should have been done that was not?

[Fuzz]

2. God hated the planes flown into the Trade Towers, the Pentagon and PA on 9/11 then.

[Bluebear]

5. He wasn't being "gracious".

Hey, whatever gets you through the night belief-wise. But if our national security CHAIR is reciting this, I am more than not amused!

[whatchamacallit]

9. The paradox of an omniscient God

For every act of grace, 100 acts of retribution or indifference?

[Arugula Latte]

25. Exactly -- this is the big problem with monotheism.

Either this deity is powerless or else the invisible hovering Yahweh is complete and utter asshole who gets its jollies out of death, destruction and torture.

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[Bill McBlueState]

53. good rebuttal. n/t

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

56. Where is the cluelessness? -nt

[DLnyc]

36. Yes, exactly. Why would an omniscient God allow Joe the Schmuck to

continue fucking up an already overburdened planet?

Maybe we would be safer if Homeland Security was reality-oriented instead of faith-based.

By the way, was it the grace of God that publicized the TSA security procedures? Or was it maybe Joe the Schmuck's incompetence?

[valerief]

15. Yeah, as they told me when I was a kid, "It's a mystery."

It wasn't to me. I knew BS when I heard it.

[Arugula Latte]

26. Shh! Ours is not to question! There is a plan! Turn off your mind and turn on your "faith"!

[valerief]

29. Into the valley of death rode the six hundred, as Sarah would say. nt

[Rhiannon12866]

27. Exactly. That's always my question...

And the media buys into it, like when they asked Capt. Sully Sullenberger if he was praying... :crazy:

[mascarax]

4. Sheesh...glad he kept his chairmanship to share wisdom like that with us!

Meanwhile, the passengers and crew who took care of everything say "Huh?"

[blondeatlast]

6. Did God will the TSA to ignore the tip-offs, too? I don't think even He agrees

with Traitor Joe.

[Prism]

7. I'm still stuck on Napolitano

"The system worked."

Really? Which system? The in-flight movie? Because security sure as shit didn't.

Lord.

At least the President is handling it well. I very much approve of his calm, low-key demeanor in response.

[Bolo Boffin]

8. Your quote is a little truncated.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/28/us/28terror.html

The system has worked really very, very smoothly over the course of the past several days.

[Prism]

13. It's such a tone deaf response

When I caught that, my mouth fell open. Her ear is made of cast iron.

[Bolo Boffin]

19. I don't know how else she could have said what she was saying. n/t

[Bluebear]

10. GMTA

Also see:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7332803&mesg_id=7333572

for those who say I NEVER LIKE ANYTHING OBAMA DOES!!!!!1 lol

[Vickers]

11. Why did Gawd let the fellow who stopped him get serious burns on his hands? n/t

[classysassy]

43. Better a seared hand

than a seared mind.

[saltpoint]

12. Wonder which god it was? Zeus? Thor? Loki? Donald Trump?

[blondeatlast]

16. Loki, I'm pretty sure. Poor guy will not be spreading his DNA, it seems.

Loki's a big irony fan, I bet.

[saltpoint]

21. He has to be. With those clothes, especially. I mean, Hells Bells.

[ipaint]

20. Whoever it is they live at goldman sachs

whose CEO recently claimed to be doing god's work there.

I'm doing 'God's work'. Meet Mr Goldman Sachs

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6907681.ece

[saltpoint]

23. Yep. And if God was all that interventional it seems He must have

really let Joe down in 2004 when he gave the Democratic nomination to John Kerry.

[ipaint]

32. Unfortunately god seems to be on joe's side lately.

he's certainly not on the side of the uninsured.

[eppur_se_muova]

37. No no no ... this is the Prince of Darkness at work.

They're easily confused, especially in the Old Testament.

[Le Taz Hot]

59. I am here to attest that Loki had absolutely NOTHING

to do with that terrorist attack and she demands an apology and an immediate retraction! (I can't post a picture of her but she's my newest kitten, black, and aptly named.) :evilgrin:

[saltpoint]

64. : ) Cats named Loki -- perfect.

Plus, an update has the god Loki with a plausible alibi -- he was using a Home Depot gift card when this whole Lieberman thing went down.

So I guess he's off the God of Interest list...

[JI7]

14. why didn't the "grace of God" do anything during 9/11 ?

[blondeatlast]

17. Because Lieberman wasn't on camera at the time. nt

[Bluebear]

18. he was working in Mysterious Ways that day

[Sabriel]

49. He was helping with the Moby song? Cool. n/t

[Sabriel]

50. I hope that means we can pray instead of having a HS tax

I'm pretty tired of my paycheck going to pay for bullshit "security."

Praying would be way cheaper.

[mzmolly]

22. You mean God has reinstated his protective shield?

He must approve of our new President? :sarcasm:

PHEW!

[Mari333]

28. Lieberman can go fuck a goat

[Puzzler]

30. Wasn't it the "grace" of an alert (and brave) Dutch passenger that saved the day?

Just askin'

[Mz Pip]

31. If there is a God

I seriously doubt it micromanages the universe.

It's probably go some galactic impact to deal with and not some random idiot with explosives strapped to his nuts.

[Odin2005]

33. STFU Loserman.

[Sebastian Doyle]

34. When is the grace of God going to save us from Droopy Dog Lieberdouche?

And all the other warmongering, corporatist enabling cowards like him.

[stopbush]

35. Just like the grace of god makes other planes crash, killing everyone aboard.

Whenever some religous wack job says, "there but for the grace of god go I," they are also saying, "there by the grace of god went that poor SOB."

[bfarq]

38. Whose side is God on anyway?

I'm so confused.

God saved that plane.

But God allowed the terrorist to get his device on the plane and set it off.

Proving that God suffers from bipolar disorder, evidently.

[Rhiannon12866]

39. +1. LOL. That's why I get confused, too...

And nobody's yet been able to make sense of it to my satisfaction... :crazy:

Welcome to DU, bfarq! It's great to have you with us! :hi:

[Bluebear]

40. +2 One god tells them to blow up the plane, another god saves it, or not...

Foolishness!

[Rhiannon12866]

46. That's why I don't understand...

And nobody seems to be able to explain it. I'm sure that many of those who were killed on 9/11 were deeply religious, as well as those who suffer terribly everyday. :shrug:

[bfarq]

61. It is not just benign foolishness

If some teevee preacher wants to talk that way in the process of shilling for tithes, that's not benign, but basically it falls under the "fool and his money are soon parted" rule.

But when a United States Senator says this sort of thing, that's a whole different story. And when that Senator is the chairman of the committee responsible for making sure the US is doing everything possible to prevent acts of domestic terrorism, it is an absolute outrage.

If he honestly believes it is the providence of some god, then it follows that it will make absolutely no difference what we mere mortals try to do by way of prevention. If God feels like blowing up the plane, then god will blow up the plane.

This is not an acceptable answer. The Chairman of the Homeland Security committee should be telling us what concrete steps our government is taking to counter these acts of terrorism. And "pray a lot" is not an acceptable answer.

Now, maybe Joementum doesn't really believe that -- one can only hope. Perhaps he felt this those words will be reassuring, such as people routinely speak of the deceased as "Well, at least she has gone to a better place now." That "better place" is 6 feet under, but there is nothing gained by pointing that out while the family is grieving.

During the grieving process, facts and reality aren't necessarily very helpful. But dammit, we just had a guy come very close to blowing up an airliner -- and would have if not for his own incompetence. I don't want to hear Joe's theory of the battle of the gods. I want to hear what actions HE is going to take to deal with these security failures.

[bridgit]

41. Whoa, whoa, whoa - so...who needs Home Land Security anyway?

[gopwacker_455]

44. what a cretin

[WCGreen]

45. Hey Joe, maybe we should leave the punitive action to God...

I guess if your God is so gracious to grace us, then why would your God stop there?

[The Backlash Cometh]

47. Everyone knows what did it was that the passenger next to him had

drank a vial of liquid luck. God had nothing to do with it.

[peekaloo]

51. Grace of God is a brand of underwear.

[HopeHoops]

52. What the fuck does God have to do with a defective detonator?

:shrug:

On Edit:

And by Joe's same reasoning, wouldn't it have been God that let the explosives get on the plane in the first place? How can they blame Obama when it is obviously God's fault?

[piratefish08]

54. Hey Joe - can we get rid of TSA since god has our backs? Can we? You fucking moronic assclown.

[invictus]

55. K&R

[yellowwood]

57. Let's All Pray

Oh, God, please relieve the United States Senate of this man.

Also, if You could, how about changing people's hearts so they won't want to set off bombs (that includes us) in the first place

[Bluebear]

58. Amen!

[clear eye]

60. Oy. n/t

[krabigirl]

62. No, humans saved that plane. Someone who believed in a god tried to blow it up.

[Thickasabrick]

63. Perfect pic for Joe...he has always reminded me of Droopy Dog...especially

the voice.



Here's a short clip if people are too young to remember Droopy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q84oP5JilU