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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 05:25 AM
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So the Nigerian's father informed the world that
he disappeared two months ago.
Imagine the engineering graduate of a prestigious English university and son of a rich and privileged Nigerian disappearing only to show up on this aircraft.

I'm donning my tin foil hat - disappeared where? Who exactly was he working for?

Where's the Dick!!
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 05:28 AM
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1. yes, & though he was on a watch list, he managed to get on a plane with a bomb.
although you & i can't even get on with shampoo.

it's like a monty python movie. or maybe post-python "brazil".
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 05:33 AM
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4. ,,,
In November, or six months ago (press accounts differ), Abdulmutallab’s father, a retired banker and former Nigerian government minister, told US Embassy officials in the Nigerian capital that he was concerned about his son’s extreme religious views and activities. The Washington Post on Sunday quoted a “senior administration official” as saying the father had warned of his son’s “radicalization and associations.” Some press reports say the father also spoke with US intelligence officials and Nigerian security agencies.

The family had evidently lost contact with Abdulmutallab, who six months ago said he was breaking off relations. Family members reportedly said they believed he had gone to Yemen, the birthplace of his mother.

US officials say that as a result of the father’s warning, Abdulmutallab was placed on a counter terrorism database in November, but they nevertheless had no actionable grounds for barring him from flying or subjecting him to any special pre-boarding search or questioning.

Yet despite being identified as a potential terrorist threat by his own father, a highly placed former Nigerian official, Abdulmutallab was allowed to retain his multi-entry US visa, board a plane to the US, and smuggle explosives on board.

The incident is all the more disturbing and suspicious, coming just weeks after President Obama announced a major escalation of the war in Afghanistan and Pakistan and singled out Yemen and Somalia as alleged Al Qaeda bases where US military attack could be justified.

This episode has the appearance of another in a series of ostensible security lapses which have more the character of deliberately turning a blind eye than mere incompetence. The case of Abdulmutallab seems to follow a well-established pattern dating back to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. A number of the hijack-bombers were known to US intelligence and security officials as Al Qaeda operatives, and were nevertheless allowed to enter the country, train as pilots, and eventually board the doomed airliners on 9/11. Warnings of impending terror attacks involving the hijacking of airplanes went unheeded.

None of this has ever been explained. No one has been held accountable. Instead, numerous government investigations were carried out, culminating in the 9/11 Commission report, which whitewashed government agencies and officials. Notwithstanding Obama’s pledge to investigate last week’s attempted terror attack, the 9/11 pattern will likely be repeated.

The latest episode occurs within days of US air attacks against insurgents in Yemen, which US officials and the media are increasingly portraying as a center of Al Qaeda activity nearly on a par with the Afghanistan-Pakistan border region.

The linking of Abdulmutallab to Yemen is an ominous sign that these attacks will increase, and the country may well become a new front in the expanding drive by the US to dominate oil-rich, strategic regions in the Middle East and Central Asia. This danger was underscored by statements from politicians and the media over the weekend.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/dec2009/plne-d28.shtml
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 05:46 AM
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5. Ding ding
and the country may well become a new front in the expanding drive by the US to dominate oil-rich, strategic regions in the Middle East and Central Asia.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 05:47 AM
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7. Shampoo?
How about bottled water? :D
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 07:49 AM
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15. Gotta keep an eye on those sharp-dressed men.
Sounds like he had help getting past the searches.

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2009/12/flight_253_passenger_says_at_l.html

While Mutallab was poorly dressed, his friend was dressed in an expensive suit, Haskell said. He says the suited man asked ticket agents whether Mutallab could board without a passport. “The guy said, 'He's from Sudan and we do this all the time.'”

Mutallab is Nigerian. Haskell believes the man may have been trying to garner sympathy for Mutallab's lack of documents by portraying him as a Sudanese refugee.

The ticket agent referred Mutallab and his companion to her manager down the hall, and Haskell didn't see Mutallab again until after he allegedly tried to detonate an explosive on the plane.
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:50 AM
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23. I highly doubt this story...until its co-verified ...right wing sites have been running with this
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 02:08 PM
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42. I only posted it because it is from a detroit paper
and came to me thru a site which tends to be pretty picky about it's posts and is not at all right wing.

Now whether it's true or not, only time will tell.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:52 AM
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25. How neat
Shakes head.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 05:28 AM
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2. Not that farfetched.
Sounds a little like bin Laden.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 05:31 AM
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3. you mean our former ally.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 05:51 AM
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10. Yes but there are differences.
This guy's not as tall and burned his balls off.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 05:47 AM
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6. All good questions - that aren't being asked in the MSM or sensibly answered.
Knowing what I know, I have to seriously question the excuse being offered that this guy just fell through the cracks and wasn't placed on a No-Fly list despite being listed in a CT database. There is likely a back story.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 05:48 AM
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8. Keep fear at the top of the agenda
That's someone's New Year wish.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 05:50 AM
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9. By the way he was banned from Britain in May
but not the US.
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:46 AM
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21. He was banned for visa issues though,not terrorist activities
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:43 AM
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37. Home Sec says he was on UK terror watch list
and would not have been allowed in, only through.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 11:48 AM
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39. If he was on the UK list, 100% he should have been on ours (SOP)
We share terrorist suspect lists with UK, Canada, some EU, and others. Very strange.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 06:36 AM
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11. Yes, The Little Drummer Girl scenario comes to mind.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 07:08 AM
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12. My wish is for the dick to live long enough for the noose to tighten
I mean if all that it appears he could be or is responsible for he should be treated the same as Saddam was. I have a bad feeling about the dick and what he's up too. I think it's very possible that he was involved in 911 so if he is so deranged to be a part of that there is nothing he won't or can't be capable of doing. We know he is a liar so nothing he says can be trusted, nothing that he seems to be doing can be taken at face value. I say lock his sorry ass up before anyone else is disappeared
The way to kill a snake is to cut its head off, I sometimes think he is nothing more
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Raspberry Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 07:42 AM
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13. Do you mean dick,
the FORMER VP? If so, what could he possibly have to do with this??? Seems to me, this one is all on the CURRENT administration's shoulders. I just read this a.m. that the CURRENT gov't was warned 5 days before this incident that there would be attacks on aircraft, yet someone who was an obvious risk was allowed to board. That should never have happened.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:22 AM
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16. 9/11 shouldn't have happened either
Bush and the Dick had been warned well in advance - but it did happen.
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Raspberry Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:51 AM
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24. Yup. Neither event should have been allowed
to happen. My point is that someone who wants to blame the FORMER admin for things that happen under the CURRENT admin is living in a serious state of denial.

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:53 AM
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26. no, the op means the DICK of a vice president...cheney.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 07:28 PM
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40. Yea that dick
you know the one who is a black hearted treasonous bastid, yeah that one. What part did he play in this dudes attempt, on the back side not in our government now.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 07:47 AM
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14. This stinks to high heaven.

k&r, n/t
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:32 AM
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17. What I don't understand
is why the UK won't allow him to enter, but we had no restrictions

:banghead:



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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:34 AM
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18. Particularly since he earned his degree from
a university in London.
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:48 AM
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22. He was banned for visa issues - he had already obtained a US visa via the US embassy in London
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:56 AM
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28. It's very unusual for the British Embassy/High Commission
anywhere to turn down a visitor's visa for someone who studied in the UK
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:04 AM
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30. no..not really..I'm from Britain - he applied for a fake education course,that's why they shut his
visa down...they don't mess around with that stuff there..
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:35 AM
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35. OK thanks for that
fake course? How dumb is that!
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:08 AM
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32. Exactly!
And an American Visa should not be seen a free pass into America.


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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:11 AM
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33. a flag for america should have been one way ticket,and no luggage
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:06 AM
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31. He attempted to obtain a further visa for study at a fake Uni.
There are a number of these fake Universities in the UK, set up not to teach, but to obtain visa entry.

He was therefore banned fro the Country for attempts to enter illegally.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:36 AM
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36. Thanks
for this info.
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:35 AM
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19. I am thinking more about that poor, tormented father
Imagine being in his place. And having to report your own child. I feel so sorry for him.
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:54 AM
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27. I feel sorry for the parents as well
they are innocent bystanders.


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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:37 AM
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20. Blame Obama...
C'mon ya know you want to... :rofl:

No tin foil here...just another proof that anyone who wants to get into this country can. Anyone who is ingenious enough (or works for someone who is) can slip through all the security and posturing. Unfortunately instead of tracing how the system screwed up, the onus will be placed on all travelers. I'm expecting the cavity search to be approved any day now.

Happy New Year...

:hi:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:01 AM
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29. LOL
Edited on Mon Dec-28-09 09:38 AM by malaise
More than a few people (starting with the Dick and his Pentagon friends) would have been having a ball if the aircraft had been destroyed afterall Obama is vacationing in Hawaii. We would have been watching breathless interviews with the Dick and his daughter 24/7 by now.
Happy New Year bro. :hi:
sp., gr.
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:13 AM
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34. I agree...wouldn't put much past Dick
the fact the we have not heard a peep says a lot...
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 09:50 AM
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38. He was going to school in Dubai...
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 10:57 PM
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41. Especially since he had no return ticket of luggage. If only they could put all this info together.
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