That would be bomber. How did we screw up again?

[jellen]

How are we going to keep these guys off the planes, when we can't even keep party crashers out of the White House?

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[Iggo]

2. Remember that recent pdf file from TSA...

...with the stuff that was improperly blacked out?

There's one way we screwed up. I'm sure there are more.

[Richardo]

3. Who's "we"?

[jellen]

4. Homeland security etal !

[Richardo]

5. You mean 'they' then - I'm not in the TSA or any DHS agency

Does TSA run the screening in Amsterdam? If not, it's the Dutch who should answer that question.

[truebrit71]

7. He was flying INTO the US, not OUT of the US..how did "they" screw anything up?

..when "they" weren't the ones responsible for the initial screening??

[jellen]

8. If WE didn't screw up, why is Obama calling for"Looking into the incident ?

[truebrit71]

9. Because if he said "The Dutch screwed the pooch on this one, we're fine"..

...the right-wing M$M presstitutes would be all over him..

[havocmom]

21. Exactly!

People seem to forget the US TSA is not in charge of the whole fucking world.

[Dinger]

18. Touché Jellen, Touché!

Good point.

[snagglepuss]

11. In November TSA and Federal Aviation inspected Lagos airport security

and gave it a green light. Furthermore the US did not act upon the father's warning so yes the US is implicated in this security foulup.

snip

The fact that there are flights to Europe means there would have been European and international oversight," said John Trevett, who runs Flightsafe Consultants in Milton Keynes, England. Mr. Trevett said that each European airline serving Lagos would have independently assessed the airport's security to satisfy its national authorities.

Lagos is one of the few African airports that several non-African carriers serve, which helps improve scrutiny of both security and air-safety by foreign authorities. Nigeria's Arik Air Ltd. on Dec. 4 began nonstop service to New York's John F. Kennedy Airport, offering the first direct, scheduled link between Nigeria and the U.S. in many years. Before the service began, the airport and Nigerian aviation infrastructure was thoroughly inspected by U.S. authorities including the U.S. Department of Homeland Security's Transport Security Administration and the Federal Aviation Administration.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126192167418806379.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLTopStories

[snagglepuss]

12. In November the Homeland Security"s TSA and Federal Aviation inspected

the Lagos airport and gave it a green light. Furthermore the US did not act upon the father's warning so yes the US is implicated in this security foulup.

snip

The fact that there are flights to Europe means there would have been European and international oversight," said John Trevett, who runs Flightsafe Consultants in Milton Keynes, England. Mr. Trevett said that each European airline serving Lagos would have independently assessed the airport's security to satisfy its national authorities.

Lagos is one of the few African airports that several non-African carriers serve, which helps improve scrutiny of both security and air-safety by foreign authorities. Nigeria's Arik Air Ltd. on Dec. 4 began nonstop service to New York's John F. Kennedy Airport, offering the first direct, scheduled link between Nigeria and the U.S. in many years. Before the service began, the airport and Nigerian aviation infrastructure was thoroughly inspected by U.S. authorities including the U.S. Department of Homeland Security's Transport Security Administration and the Federal Aviation Administration.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126192167418806379.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLTopStories

[damntexdem]

14. Well, what would one expect of Hoaxland Security?

[truebrit71]

6. Um..if anyone screwed up it was the Dutch authorities...

..they are the ones that didn't think it was weird that a guy with no luggage and a ticket paid for in cash wasn't worth a second look..I bet a 30 second search of whatever database they use would have pulled up the red flag the Brits had on him...seems to me someone in Holland wasn't doing their job properly on Xmas day...

[MiniMe]

10. The flight originated in Amsterdam, so "we" couldn't prevent it

[snagglepuss]

15. The bomber boarded in Lagos at an airpost that just had been

inspected by US Homeland Security (TSA) and Federal Aviation. Security checks at Schinpol are different for passengers simply transferring to connecting flights which is not to say they don't also bare responsibilty howver US authorities would be aware of the Dutch protocols. Furthermore the guy should never have received a US visa in the first place. Its effing incompetence that the UK refused him a visa but the US who had warnings from his father issued a visa.


I really can't understand the attitude you and some other's share which seems to be deny US responsibilty even though existing evidence shows the US dropped the ball.

[HipChick]

19. The UK visa was only refused because he applied for a fraudulent college course,not because of any

terrorist potential

[snagglepuss]

22. Providing fraudulent reasons for entering a country is grounds for

suspecting nefarious activity so that denial should have raised alarms especially given his trips to Yemen.

[damntexdem]

13. We? We, the people, didn't screw up. In fact, the people saved the plane.

Passengers stopped the bombing attempt -- just as with the shoe bomber, and just as passengers died but successfully stopped the terrorist use of Flight 93 on 9/11. The immune system has been working. It's the formal system that has been screwing up.

[jpak]

16. How not to screw up again - keep the GOP out of the White House

problem solved

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[Nikki Stone1]

20. You're assuming that security checks are for terrorists

and not for us.