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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 07:07 PM
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David Simon On Health Care Bill: "Only One Thing Can Make People This Stupid, And That's Money"
David Simon On Health Care Bill: "Only One Thing Can Make People This Stupid, And That's Money"
Jason Linkins - Huffington Post
First Posted: 12-28-09 12:55 PM | Updated: 12-28-09 01:31 PM

<snip>

The most recent issue of Vice Magazine features an interview with David Simon, who unpacks at length on the television show he's best known for creating, The Wire. Along the way, Simon -- almost as an aside -- hits the recent reform debates in Congress with a blast of truth:

Why does reform seem so impossible?

We live in an oligarchy. The mother's milk of American politics is money, and the reason they can't reform financing, the reason that we can't have public funding of elections rather than private donations, the reason that K Street is K Street in Washington, is to make sure that no popular sentiment survives. You're witnessing it now with health care, with the marginalization of any effort to rationally incorporate all Americans under a national banner that says, "We're in this together."


But then the critics of a system like that immediately cry socialism.

And of course it's socialism. These ignorant motherfuckers. What do they think group insurance is, other than socialism? Just the idea of buying group insurance! If socialism is a taint that you cannot abide by, then, goddamn it, you shouldn't be in any group insurance policy. You should just go out and pay the fucking doctors because when you get 100,000 people together as part of anything, from a union to the AARP, and you say, "Because we have this group actuarially, more of us are going to be healthier than not and therefore we'll be able to carry forward the idea of group insurance and everybody will have an affordable plan..." That's fuckin' socialism. That's nothing but socialism.

It is, literally.

So the whole idea of group insurance, which of course everyone believes in, like that fellow on YouTube, "Don't let the government take away my Medicare..." You look at that and you think there's only one thing that can make people this stupid, and that's money. When you pay people to change their votes on the basis of money, the wrong shit gets voted for. That's American democracy at this point. And you get to the Senate and you're looking at 100 votes, which don't represent anything in terms of popular representation. When 40 percent of the population controls 60 percent of the votes in the higher house of a bicameral legislature, it's an oligarchy.


Simon goes on to comment on Senator Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), saying, "Let me understand this: One guy from a small state in New England is going to decide on a singular basis what's good for the health care of 300 million people? That's our form of government, and I don't get it."

It seems a simple enough story to tell: health care reform is shaping up to be what it is because the health care industry is spending a surreal amount of money to influence votes. But you can watch television news for weeks without hearing about lobbyists or influence peddling, and most of the newspaper articles I read on the matter treat "K Street" as some sort of fascinating and frothy anthropological segment of "Beltway culture," rather than the thing the primarily drives legislative decisions.

The press will tell you that lawmakers like Joe Lieberman and Max Baucus and Ben Nelson and Mary Landrieu are obstacles to health care because their votes are centrist ones. This is wrong. They are obstacles to health care because their votes have been bought. If supporters of the "public option" could unite as an industry and provide these lawmakers with the money to get re-elected, the public option would become "centrist" so fast that you'd have a goddamned stroke.

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Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/28/david-simon-on-health-car_n_405068.html

Full Interview: http://www.viceland.com/int/v16n12/htdocs/david-simon-280.php?page=1

:shrug:

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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 07:09 PM
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1. More of this "extremist" thinking!
Edited on Mon Dec-28-09 07:10 PM by YOY
My gawd! The DLCers are just surrounded by extremists!!! It's like the X games on a national scale and everyone has manditory mohawks while NOFX booms on the gigantic amps while Bam Margera pants his dad infront of a million Christian fundementalists!!!

EXTREEEEEEME!
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 07:10 PM
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3. Interesting how people who see cause and effect are called extremists.
They want people to "feel" about politics and legislation, not "think" about it.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 07:12 PM
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4. I'm about as extreme as melba toast.
I'm really a pretty boring dude with pretty mundane political views...but hell...if calling me "extreme" gets folks a stiffy...I'm just happy to take away that Viagra money from Pfeizer.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 07:32 PM
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7. LOL! You're performing a public service!
:rofl:
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 12:30 PM
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17. Hope and change: "They want people to "feel" about politics and legislation, not "think" about it."
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 07:10 PM
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2. K&R. That might be the best one-line analysis of the HCR bill yet.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 07:16 PM
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5. +100 k&r
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 07:18 PM
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6. K & R! Excellent! nt
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 07:35 PM
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8. The clincher: GROUP INSURANCE IS SOCIALISM
"These ignorant motherfuckers. What do they think group insurance is, other than socialism? Just the idea of buying group insurance! If socialism is a taint that you cannot abide by, then, goddamn it, you shouldn't be in any group insurance policy. You should just go out and pay the fucking doctors because when you get 100,000 people together as part of anything, from a union to the AARP, and you say, "Because we have this group actuarially, more of us are going to be healthier than not and therefore we'll be able to carry forward the idea of group insurance and everybody will have an affordable plan..." That's fuckin' socialism. That's nothing but socialism."
:headbang:







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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 07:41 PM
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9. well, and sex, too.
but not right now; we've got work to do.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 11:01 PM
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11. LOL !!!
So true...

:rofl:

:evilgrin:

:hi:
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KakistocracyHater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 08:24 PM
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10. Yes, I've been trying to say this for a few years, a lobbying group for working
Americans, because they only seem to listen if someone is there with them on a near daily basis.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 11:03 PM
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12. More than THOSE THREE's VOTES WERE BOUGHT...but the others don't want you to know that!
It's the way they "play their games."
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 11:03 PM
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13. K&R
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 11:05 PM
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14. Maybe someone needs to burn down K street.
metaphorically, of course.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 11:08 PM
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15. K&R
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 12:26 PM
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16. The Democratic Party would LOVE for you to believe....
...that Joe Lieberman was THAT powerful.

Joe Lieberman is just the convenient, designated "EXCUSE" for the Party rolling over to BIG MONEY and selling out the Working Class once again.

It is PATHETIC....really, REALLY PATHETIC.
The only thing MORE pathetic than the Democratic Party are the people who actually BELIEVE this shit!

Democratic Party:
"Gee, we really wanted to bring Health Care to America, but Joe Lieberman stopped us."

Obama & The Democratic Party could CRUSH Lieberman if they wanted to do so.
They DON'T want to because he gives them political cover as long as the fools are still willing to buy into all that "HOPE" and "CHANGE" bullshit.


The MOST DAMNING INDICTMENT of the Democratic Party today:

"We fought hard, and THIS is the best we could do"

If THIS is "THE BEST WE CAN DO", then I have no use for this Party.

I wouldn't accept a sub psr piece of SHIT from a contractor, and I won't accept continuous Sell Outs from the Political Party I'm paying to represent ME.

You shouldn't either.
By accepting faulty products and poor workmanship, you ENSURE to continuation of faulty products and poor workmanship.



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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 03:40 PM
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18. Well said ~ what is so incredible is how people
Edited on Tue Dec-29-09 03:42 PM by sabrina 1
actually fall for that excuse. It is and always was the weakest possible excuse and I'm sure even they are surprised how well it is working, so far.

As the OP said, the only way people could be this stupid has to be money. Or, fear tactics. Like 'Sarah Palin will be President if you dare to criticize this bill'.

This guy explained how it's done ~



Yeah, I know, Godwin's law etc. etc. Same tactic used to silence any comparisons, no matter how nicely the shoe fits, to the most hated system in recent history. But if the shoe fits, it's not my fault.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 03:45 PM
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19. K & R
:kick:
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