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invictus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:00 PM Original message |
Why is there no limit on dedictibles in this so called health insurance "reform"? |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
1. Reform! Historical! |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:07 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. lol |
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golddigger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
59. Delete, wrong spot! |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 02:38 AM Response to Reply #2 |
118. I'll second that. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. My laugh of the week |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. 'Reforminess' |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Perfect! |
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polpilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
23. Historical achievement I tell you. Historic. Mind boggling achievement. HISTORIC!! |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Yes, should be much more affordable, then |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 07:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
95. +1 |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. I didn't think anything could make me laugh about this monstrosity.... |
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ProgressIn2008 (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #14 |
52. Heh, same here. "Reforming the historical history" got me. nt |
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clear eye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
82. Same here. n/t |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #1 |
24. Uniquely American |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
55. Okay, THAT was funny. |
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golddigger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
60. lol |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
124. It's like the New Dean and Great Society all rolled into one! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
4. Harry Reid had a lot to do with the DEFORM . . . he took out pharm negotiations on drug prices . . . |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. What? Obama dealt those away back in March. Reid had nothing to do with it. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
40. Trying to remember if I read it or heard it on C-span . . . |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. Well, sure. If Reid hadn't acquiesced to the White House, the provision might have been left in. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:35 PM Response to Reply #47 |
81. Well . . . what I heard wasn't put quite that way . . . but agree . . . |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:24 PM Response to Reply #10 |
78. How can anyone still be unclear about that? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:37 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. I knew about the White House meeting ... etal . . |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:45 PM Response to Reply #78 |
87. yes, and the Rahmbaggers work overtime trying to "blame Lieberman" |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
6. Hey now, you know their are well off people that risk too much of their hard earned money |
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BuelahWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
8. Yes, $5000 would be rather "dedicktable" for my income |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:11 PM Response to Original message |
9. STFU and get back in line. Hater. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:13 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Lol! |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:16 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. They are all resting, celebrating their victory, how ever Pyhrric. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Possible |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. They're all too busy attacking Jane Hamsher. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. ROFL! |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #21 |
33. LOL |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #21 |
97. George Orwell really didn't say that.... |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
92. they will be back, watching the news broadcasts at New Years |
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polpilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #9 |
26. Historic. Just historic. Hystorical. Hysterical. You're not pleased???? |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
12. My understanding is that there will be limitations on out of pocket expenses. The DU'ers snarking |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Yes, $5000, over and above premiums paid. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. What fucking difference does it make, if your POCKETS are EMPTY |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. WIth my current insurance, I have a co-pay. Not happy about it, but it's a "reasonable"- $25 per |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:16 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Yes, but they meant out-of-pocket expenses for the *insurance companies* |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #12 |
27. The limits are $5000 and $11,900 depending on which level of coverage you buy |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #27 |
71. Those are max |
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Schema Thing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
16. There are limits. Why are you saying there are not? |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Yup, $ 5000.00 |
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enlightenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #16 |
49. I think there is some confusion about exactly what they mean by |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #49 |
69. Our of pocket expenses will not include denied claims (or items in claims) |
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enlightenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 07:44 PM Response to Reply #69 |
101. I agree, depakid. |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
28. There are limits. What are you talking about? |
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invictus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. What are the limits? |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. here ya go |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 08:02 AM Response to Reply #36 |
121. So.... |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Yup $5000.00 out of pocket . |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. No, $2000 individual and $4000 family for the cheapest plan. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Oh, that's much better. |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. Considering they're getting subsidies, yes. Except, of course, |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:26 PM Response to Reply #42 |
79. !!!!!!! |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 08:35 PM Response to Reply #42 |
108. Even middle income families. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. Those are the "deductibles", also add the 20%-40% co-payment. |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. Don't forget the subsidies, Or the expansion of Medicaid |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:49 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. The subsidies are for the premiums. These are OVER AND ABOVE any premium. |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #46 |
64. Out of pocket is capped, too. No way to get to $11,000. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:01 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. dream on. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:19 PM Response to Reply #65 |
73. Again, you are presented with FACTS and then just spew crap. It's obvious you are not here to join |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #73 |
85. Facts? no I was "presented" with a piece of a "summary" put out by a Senator who is shilling .. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:18 PM Response to Reply #46 |
72. Deleted message |
MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:36 PM Response to Reply #72 |
83. You seem to not understand the difference between,... |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:53 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. Deductibles are included in the out of pocket limit |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. Yes, like I said..Add them up... |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 07:18 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. At the top income bracket yes |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. Top income bracket??!? |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. This bill does. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #93 |
98. For a family of 4, that would be under 60,000 per year. |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #98 |
102. A family of of four making 60,000 is below 400% FPL |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 08:07 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. So your still talking 12-15000 bucks. |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 08:18 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. You act like that is what a typical family will pay |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 09:03 PM Response to Reply #107 |
113. You mention annual cap. |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 09:19 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. That was fixed in the managers amendment |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. So there are caps. |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 11:21 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. no single pdf including all changes |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #38 |
90. Only for employer sponsored plans |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:51 AM Response to Reply #31 |
119. 2009: $5,950. And indexed to inflation. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. The limits are shifts not limits |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:37 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. NO. Here, read the summary. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #43 |
61. Where do you think the money will come from, magic? |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:42 PM Response to Reply #43 |
86. Your "summary" is put out by a senator who is shilling for thisbill. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
32. catching on are ya? |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:20 PM Response to Reply #32 |
74. Did you actually read this thread? There ARE limits. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. LOL |
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invictus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
35. What happens if you don't have $5,000 because you spent all your money on the premiums? |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:34 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Gitmo. |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:39 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. The OP is either lying or hasn't read the bill. Unless he's talking |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. YOU are only citing Deductibles, there is also co-payments.. |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:04 PM Response to Reply #50 |
68. co-payment percentages are capped, too. The only way to |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 09:43 AM Response to Reply #68 |
122. Not for a couple, or a family. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #35 |
56. Then you have a nice policy to frame and hang on the wall. nt |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
37. I thought it did cap deductibles? |
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johnaries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:34 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. It does. |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:56 PM Response to Reply #41 |
62. Yup, at 5000-11000. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #62 |
75. stop lying. It is NOT $5000-11000. It has been repeatedly told to you it isn't that much |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:33 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. But you can repeat it 300 times, it still IS that much. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #37 |
63. $2000 for an individual, $4000 for a family nt |
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RedCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
45. dedictibles??? That's worse than killing grandma, if you are a guy, that is. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
53. Because it's not a reform? This is a quiz .... right? |
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WT Fuheck (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
54. your quotation marks tell the story. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
57. It's the Fernando Lamas version of health care.. yoooooo loooook mahhhvelous |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #57 |
109. Off topic: Awww, what a fantastic kitty picture! |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 08:42 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. My baby "hugs" me .. I fell in love with these internet kitties |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
66. There are limits in both house and senate plans. |
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TicketyBoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
67. FYI |
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SpartanDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
70. There are limits |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
77. THANK GOD IT PASSED!!!!!! |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
89. plus, many people will find the co-pays prohibitively expensive |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
94. Out-of-pocket costs under one proposal, based on income - |
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MNDemNY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 07:36 PM Response to Reply #94 |
100. Plus the premiums. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
103. And this is just where they are starting! After Big Crapsurance gets the trillions - the sky is the |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
105. Well hey, if taxophobic Dumberica would have wised up . . . |
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RB TexLa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
106. Why should people have a limit on what deductible they choose? The higher a deductible the less I |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
110. "The Insurance Industry Profit Protection Act of 2009" |
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Kansas Wyatt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
112. Oh Pom Pom Squad, you people need to be sure that... |
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Generator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-29-09 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
114. Because it's important that rich people stay rich |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 07:58 AM Response to Original message |
120. +1 |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-30-09 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
123. Yes there ARE limits, see this thread for numbers: |
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